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For some reason I don't think the Senators from the flyover states are goings to be thrilled with the idea of adding 10 more California Senators (for a total of 12) to the Senate.
Oh we certainly do.But California takes the cake there.Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light - ABC News
Hmm...not sure I want 6 California's! Just keep all the whack jobs in one state...easier to keep track of them...
so the state you live in,but dont want to mention, has no wack jobs right?...
It cant happen without the approval of both congress the state. And the Republicans would be crazy if they ever allowed this to happen, it would give the Democrats a lock on the senate.
Well The SD area and Northern California should be republican no? Possibly the Jefferson state as well...so that's half of them right there...
This is just more cons attempt to split up the United States. They are really desperate to destroy America. Republicans are Al Qaeda's best weapon.
Oh we certainly do.But California takes the cake there.so the state you live in,but dont want to mention, has no wack jobs right?...
It cant happen without the approval of both congress the state. And the Republicans would be crazy if they ever allowed this to happen, it would give the Democrats a lock on the senate.
Well The SD area and Northern California should be republican no? Possibly the Jefferson state as well...so that's half of them right there...
Oh we certainly do.But California takes the cake there.
you do realize that one of the big reasons for Cal. demise is the millions of wackos from the other States moving in here over the last 30-40 years and bringing their failed ideas with them and voting many of those "ideas" in over the years....right?....
Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light - ABC News
Hmm...not sure I want 6 California's! Just keep all the whack jobs in one state...easier to keep track of them...
I did not know that about WV..interesting...would be weird today having a state called Kanwaha.Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light - ABC News
Hmm...not sure I want 6 California's! Just keep all the whack jobs in one state...easier to keep track of them...
It is interesting, but highly unlikely that it will pass. Nonetheless, thank you for starting the thread, [MENTION=47163]O.R.I.O.N[/MENTION].
I would like to submit two very plausible reasons for WHY this petition was made:
1.) At the beginning of our republic, with the first census, our Union's largest state at that time (Virginia) was just about 10 times bigger than the Union's smallest state at that time (Delaware).
Today, our nation's largest state (California) is 61 times larger than our nation's smallest state (Wyoming). Splitting California into 6 states of equal size would mean that each one of those mini-Californias would be now 10 times larger than Wyoming and so, the relationship of 10-1 would be restored, at least in the case of California.
2.) The saying that Texas has a right to seceed is a lie. But, according to the Annexation treaty of, I believe, 1845, Texas has the ongoing right to SPLIT ITSELF into a total of five states, but one of them must still carry the name of Texas. Were Texas to do this, then where he had 2 Senators, we would have 10. But were California to do this, where we currently have 2 Senators, we would have 12. Facit: zero-sum game between the two dreadnaught states of our Union.
I frankly see no reason for either Texas or California to split.
However, California itself has the 12th largest economy in the world. Were California a country, with a population of 38.3 million citizens, it would be either the 34th or 35th largest country in the world - on par with Poland, but again, with the 12th largest economy in the world.
As I said, I am pretty sure that such a petition/proposition will go down in a vote, but I think there are some plausible reasons as to the WHY component of this.
best to you,
-Stat
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Just some nice people I invited to share in the conversation because I do think the information is stimulating and I want to take the partisan bite out of this and just let the numbers speak for themselves. It is highly likely that a number of people both on the Left and the Right would have no problem with their home state of California splitting itself. The question is more of the type: does it do us any good.
I will remind that the last time that a state split itself into two states was during the time of the Civil War, as part of Virginia separated from the Old Dominion and eventually named itself "West Virginia". Did you know that the original proposal was to name the fledgling state "Kanwaha"?
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This is just more cons attempt to split up the United States. They are really desperate to destroy America. Republicans are Al Qaeda's best weapon.
Guess ^ has never heard of Baja Arizona eh? Twit.
Oh we certainly do.But California takes the cake there.
Well The SD area and Northern California should be republican no? Possibly the Jefferson state as well...so that's half of them right there...
Oh we certainly do.But California takes the cake there.
you do realize that one of the big reasons for Cal. demise is the millions of wackos from the other States moving in here over the last 30-40 years and bringing their failed ideas with them and voting many of those "ideas" in over the years....right?....
I have heard old timers talk about that. How California was a great place 60 years ago etc..Would have been great to see it then around the time John Wayne and Walt Disney were starting up.
So, adding more Senators to Congress is a good thing? Why 6 States-well, it sure looks to me like a proposal to increase the Republican presence in the Senate with 4 more red states and 2 blue. This will go nowhere. Ungovernable, really? Didn't they just balance their budget?
So, adding more Senators to Congress is a good thing? Why 6 States-well, it sure looks to me like a proposal to increase the Republican presence in the Senate with 4 more red states and 2 blue. This will go nowhere. Ungovernable, really? Didn't they just balance their budget?
Yes, the last I heard the Dem Gov has really helped California.....much to the dismay of some.
So, adding more Senators to Congress is a good thing? Why 6 States-well, it sure looks to me like a proposal to increase the Republican presence in the Senate with 4 more red states and 2 blue. This will go nowhere. Ungovernable, really? Didn't they just balance their budget?
Yes, the last I heard the Dem Gov has really helped California.....much to the dismay of some.
the only places doing well are the richer Counties.....all the others still have 9% UE or higher....those are the ones who are dismayed....
California Counties: California?s unemployment rate by county - Data Desk - Los Angeles Times
I'd like to start a petition to build a fence all along the eastern and northern borders of the state. A fence with NO gates.
Yes, the last I heard the Dem Gov has really helped California.....much to the dismay of some.
the only places doing well are the richer Counties.....all the others still have 9% UE or higher....those are the ones who are dismayed....
California Counties: California?s unemployment rate by county - Data Desk - Los Angeles Times
Your link is a tad old.... unemployment dropped even more in Dec 2013 and is way better in 2014 than it was under Republican Schwarzenegger.
California State Unemployment Rate and Total Unemployed | Department of Numbers
And......
For the first time in years, California is enjoying a revenue surplus.
Governor Jerry Brown released an update on his budget plan for the coming fiscal year.
The state has collected $4.5 billion more in tax revenue than expected.
The stock market and home prices are up, while the unemployment rate is down, which all lead to more revenue for California.
California enjoying a revenue surplus - YCV
Overall, California is doing better.
Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light - ABC News
Hmm...not sure I want 6 California's! Just keep all the whack jobs in one state...easier to keep track of them...
It is interesting, but highly unlikely that it will pass. Nonetheless, thank you for starting the thread, [MENTION=47163]O.R.I.O.N[/MENTION].
I would like to submit two very plausible reasons for WHY this petition was made:
1.) At the beginning of our republic, with the first census, our Union's largest state at that time (Virginia) was just about 10 times bigger than the Union's smallest state at that time (Delaware).
Today, our nation's largest state (California) is 61 times larger than our nation's smallest state (Wyoming). Splitting California into 6 states of equal size would mean that each one of those mini-Californias would be now 10 times larger than Wyoming and so, the relationship of 10-1 would be restored, at least in the case of California.
2.) The saying that Texas has a right to seceed is a lie. But, according to the Annexation treaty of, I believe, 1845, Texas has the ongoing right to SPLIT ITSELF into a total of five states, but one of them must still carry the name of Texas. Were Texas to do this, then where he had 2 Senators, we would have 10. But were California to do this, where we currently have 2 Senators, we would have 12. Facit: zero-sum game between the two dreadnaught states of our Union.
I frankly see no reason for either Texas or California to split.
However, California itself has the 12th largest economy in the world. Were California a country, with a population of 38.3 million citizens, it would be either the 34th or 35th largest country in the world - on par with Poland, but again, with the 12th largest economy in the world.
As I said, I am pretty sure that such a petition/proposition will go down in a vote, but I think there are some plausible reasons as to the WHY component of this.
best to you,
-Stat
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Just some nice people I invited to share in the conversation because I do think the information is stimulating and I want to take the partisan bite out of this and just let the numbers speak for themselves. It is highly likely that a number of people both on the Left and the Right would have no problem with their home state of California splitting itself. The question is more of the type: does it do us any good.
I will remind that the last time that a state split itself into two states was during the time of the Civil War, as part of Virginia separated from the Old Dominion and eventually named itself "West Virginia". Did you know that the original proposal was to name the fledgling state "Kanwaha"?
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Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light - ABC News
Hmm...not sure I want 6 California's! Just keep all the whack jobs in one state...easier to keep track of them...
It is interesting, but highly unlikely that it will pass. Nonetheless, thank you for starting the thread, [MENTION=47163]O.R.I.O.N[/MENTION].
I would like to submit two very plausible reasons for WHY this petition was made:
1.) At the beginning of our republic, with the first census, our Union's largest state at that time (Virginia) was just about 10 times bigger than the Union's smallest state at that time (Delaware).
Today, our nation's largest state (California) is 61 times larger than our nation's smallest state (Wyoming). Splitting California into 6 states of equal size would mean that each one of those mini-Californias would be now 10 times larger than Wyoming and so, the relationship of 10-1 would be restored, at least in the case of California.
2.) The saying that Texas has a right to seceed is a lie. But, according to the Annexation treaty of, I believe, 1845, Texas has the ongoing right to SPLIT ITSELF into a total of five states, but one of them must still carry the name of Texas. Were Texas to do this, then where he had 2 Senators, we would have 10. But were California to do this, where we currently have 2 Senators, we would have 12. Facit: zero-sum game between the two dreadnaught states of our Union.
I frankly see no reason for either Texas or California to split.
However, California itself has the 12th largest economy in the world. Were California a country, with a population of 38.3 million citizens, it would be either the 34th or 35th largest country in the world - on par with Poland, but again, with the 12th largest economy in the world.
As I said, I am pretty sure that such a petition/proposition will go down in a vote, but I think there are some plausible reasons as to the WHY component of this.
best to you,
-Stat
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Just some nice people I invited to share in the conversation because I do think the information is stimulating and I want to take the partisan bite out of this and just let the numbers speak for themselves. It is highly likely that a number of people both on the Left and the Right would have no problem with their home state of California splitting itself. The question is more of the type: does it do us any good.
I will remind that the last time that a state split itself into two states was during the time of the Civil War, as part of Virginia separated from the Old Dominion and eventually named itself "West Virginia". Did you know that the original proposal was to name the fledgling state "Kanwaha"?
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a few years ago, they had the 8th largest
the only places doing well are the richer Counties.....all the others still have 9% UE or higher....those are the ones who are dismayed....
California Counties: California?s unemployment rate by county - Data Desk - Los Angeles Times
Your link is a tad old.... unemployment dropped even more in Dec 2013 and is way better in 2014 than it was under Republican Schwarzenegger.
California State Unemployment Rate and Total Unemployed | Department of Numbers
And......
For the first time in years, California is enjoying a revenue surplus.
Governor Jerry Brown released an update on his budget plan for the coming fiscal year.
The state has collected $4.5 billion more in tax revenue than expected.
The stock market and home prices are up, while the unemployment rate is down, which all lead to more revenue for California.
California enjoying a revenue surplus - YCV
Overall, California is doing better.
do you think the rates in those Counties has improved in the interim time that those people are jumping for joy?.....lots of farmers in those Counties are Unemployed,especially the ones in Imperial County.....they produce a lot of crops for the Country......the richer coastal areas are the areas doing fine.....the inland areas not so good.....those Counties and the people who live there are part of the State too.....and that "surplus" will get eaten up when they have to pay that huge amount of money to cover the State workers pension fund ....overall the wealthier Counties in California are doing fine....which is the way it always is.....the wealthy get the goodies and the regular guy gets what ever they can spare....
Petition to Split California Into Six States Gets Green Light - ABC News
Hmm...not sure I want 6 California's! Just keep all the whack jobs in one state...easier to keep track of them...
It is interesting, but highly unlikely that it will pass. Nonetheless, thank you for starting the thread, [MENTION=47163]O.R.I.O.N[/MENTION].
I would like to submit two very plausible reasons for WHY this petition was made:
1.) At the beginning of our republic, with the first census, our Union's largest state at that time (Virginia) was just about 10 times bigger than the Union's smallest state at that time (Delaware).
Today, our nation's largest state (California) is 61 times larger than our nation's smallest state (Wyoming). Splitting California into 6 states of equal size would mean that each one of those mini-Californias would be now 10 times larger than Wyoming and so, the relationship of 10-1 would be restored, at least in the case of California.
2.) The saying that Texas has a right to seceed is a lie. But, according to the Annexation treaty of, I believe, 1845, Texas has the ongoing right to SPLIT ITSELF into a total of five states, but one of them must still carry the name of Texas. Were Texas to do this, then where he had 2 Senators, we would have 10. But were California to do this, where we currently have 2 Senators, we would have 12. Facit: zero-sum game between the two dreadnaught states of our Union.
I frankly see no reason for either Texas or California to split.
However, California itself has the 12th largest economy in the world. Were California a country, with a population of 38.3 million citizens, it would be either the 34th or 35th largest country in the world - on par with Poland, but again, with the 12th largest economy in the world.
As I said, I am pretty sure that such a petition/proposition will go down in a vote, but I think there are some plausible reasons as to the WHY component of this.
best to you,
-Stat
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Just some nice people I invited to share in the conversation because I do think the information is stimulating and I want to take the partisan bite out of this and just let the numbers speak for themselves. It is highly likely that a number of people both on the Left and the Right would have no problem with their home state of California splitting itself. The question is more of the type: does it do us any good.
I will remind that the last time that a state split itself into two states was during the time of the Civil War, as part of Virginia separated from the Old Dominion and eventually named itself "West Virginia". Did you know that the original proposal was to name the fledgling state "Kanwaha"?
![]()
a few years ago, they had the 8th largest