PINO trump just pardoned kkk, alt right Arpaio

[Billo_Really]

No. Not like the travel ban. The travel ban was authorized with legislative authority that granted the president discretionary power to do so.

Obama openly stated he was going around congress

When did Obama do that?

 

[Billo_Really]

It violated the law because all the snowflakes hate him and want to put him in prison, don't ya know. It had nothing to do with the facts or the law.

This pardon says its okay to take the law into your own hands.

 

[Papageorgio]

Are you that passionate when Obama and Clinton pardoned criminals or is the just an outrage because you disagree with a Presidents politics?

Does the merit or propriety of Trump pardoning Arpaio have ANYTHING to do with how some poster viewed some other pardon?

How a poster viewed the pardons of previous presidents can be evidence of whether the outrage about this particular pardon might be based more on opposition to Trump than belief that the pardon is a particularly bad thing.

Arpaio was convicted of a minor offense. Presidents since Washington have been granting pardons, often to people convicted of far more severe crimes. If someone has never before cared about presidential pardons, it brings up the question of why it is such a big deal now.

So if a poster comes along who says that Trump was wrong to pardon Arpaio, AND that poster also says that Obama was wrong to pardon so and so, AND Clinton was wrong to pardon so and so,

that proves that Trump was in fact wrong to pardon Arpaio?

It shows consistency, why would it be okay to pardon a Marc Rich a Scooter Libby and not Arpaio who's crime was much less?

Because he was a law enforcement official who violated the constitutional rights of American citizens. He believed he was above the Constitution and above the law.

BS, so Clinton pardoning a FBI's top ten most wanted list is okay but a sheriff that was in contempt of court is worse. It was okay for the leader of the country to lie under oath however a sheriff in contempt of court should serve time.

Your politics is showing.

 

[Flash]

Ok ill bite. How did pardoning the Sherriff violate the law?

The piece of shit sherriff broke the law and now he will not be held accountable for that.

So did everybody that Obama pardoned.

Do you agree with me that Obama is an asshole?

 

[Papageorgio]

So to all you Republicans who flaunt the word Un-American. The president of the United States, just used his prerogative of pardoning to excuse someone who openly, blatantly and knowingly defied the fourth amendment and got convicted for it. It's legal, but its also a direct assault on the founding fathers who envisiont the judicial as the ultimate protectors of the constitution. What does the rule of law mean when a president pardons his allies because he feels the constitution can be tossed when he doesn't agree with it?

Are you that passionate when Obama and Clinton pardoned criminals or is the just an outrage because you disagree with a Presidents politics?

Does the merit or propriety of Trump pardoning Arpaio have ANYTHING to do with how some poster viewed some other pardon?

How a poster viewed the pardons of previous presidents can be evidence of whether the outrage about this particular pardon might be based more on opposition to Trump than belief that the pardon is a particularly bad thing.

Arpaio was convicted of a minor offense. Presidents since Washington have been granting pardons, often to people convicted of far more severe crimes. If someone has never before cared about presidential pardons, it brings up the question of why it is such a big deal now.

The issue isn’t the severity of the offense but its nature.

Arpaio exhibited brazen contempt for the rule of law – something that cannot be pardoned with regard to a law enforcement officer sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

And that includes laws enacted pursuant to the Constitution, in this case Federal immigration laws and how those laws are to be implemented as determined by the courts.

Arpaio wasn’t required to like or approve of Federal immigration laws, or the rulings of Federal courts, but he was required to obey those laws and court rulings.

Moreover, Arpaio was motivated to ignore the rule of law by an unwarranted animus toward Hispanic immigrants – immigrants entitled to Constitutional protections: to a presumption of innocence and to the right of due process of the law, all disregarded by Arpaio with hateful contempt.

Consequently, the condemnation of Trump’s pardon is perfectly appropriate – separate and apart from Trump.

"Hateful" contempt? You have proof of his motives or is it your political slant.

When the President of United State lied under oath and in doing so denied a US citizen their civil rights, did that enrage you? Probably not because of your politics.

 

[forkup]

So to all you Republicans who flaunt the word Un-American. The president of the United States, just used his prerogative of pardoning to excuse someone who openly, blatantly and knowingly defied the fourth amendment and got convicted for it. It's legal, but its also a direct assault on the founding fathers who envisiont the judicial as the ultimate protectors of the constitution. What does the rule of law mean when a president pardons his allies because he feels the constitution can be tossed when he doesn't agree with it?

Are you that passionate when Obama and Clinton pardoned criminals or is the just an outrage because you disagree with a Presidents politics?

My problem is motive. I hated when Clinton pardoned Matt Rich. Not because of the right of the president to pardon. But because it reeks of preferential treatment, the same applies to Trump here. To me it's worse even because Rich violated laws but he at least didn't act like he had the right to do so. He was guilty as sin so he fled. Arpaio gave a big f-you to the judicial branch and the constitution which he swore to protect and Trump is giving him a pass on it. Rich's pardon doesn't constitute a justification of his crime, Arpaio's pardon does. As for Obama, give me 1 example of him pardoning anybody who didn't spend a day in jail or were it's done for reasons of not accepting the integrity of the judicial branch? List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama - Wikipedia

 

[Montrovant]

Please point out the law he didn't follow. I laughed when I asked that question.

Once again, Mexican is not a race. What in the world is wrong with you people?

How about the Constitution? He pardoned a prick who took the law into his own hands and deliberately violated a court order. This pardon is advocating lawlessness. That it doesn't matter what the courts say, it's okay to break the law, if your heart is in the right place.

If this pardon advocates lawlessness, doesn't every pardon advocate lawlessness? After all, the very nature of a pardon is to forgive someone for a crime they commit.

 

[Billo_Really]

So did everybody that Obama pardoned.

Do you agree with me that Obama is an asshole?

Obama's a politician. And politicians are assholes. So, in that sense, yes, I agree with you.

At least the people Obama pardoned, had done some of their time.

BTW, Obama's pardons weren't as bad as Clinton's.

 

[Billo_Really]

If this pardon advocates lawlessness, doesn't every pardon advocate lawlessness? After all, the very nature of a pardon is to forgive someone for a crime they commit.

People who are pardoned, are people who were wrongfully convicted.

Arpaio, was not wrongfully convicted.

 

[Avatar4321]

Ok ill bite. How did pardoning the Sherriff violate the law?

The piece of shit sherriff broke the law and now he will not be held accountable for that.

That's the point of a pardon.

That doesn't make the pardon illegal

 

[bripat9643]

So did everybody that Obama pardoned.

Do you agree with me that Obama is an asshole?

Obama's a politician. And politicians are assholes. So, in that sense, yes, I agree with you.

At least the people Obama pardoned, had done some of their time.

BTW, Obama's pardons weren't as bad as Clinton's.

Arpaio is 85 years old. 6 months is a big portion of his remaining life.

 

[bripat9643]

If this pardon advocates lawlessness, doesn't every pardon advocate lawlessness? After all, the very nature of a pardon is to forgive someone for a crime they commit.

People who are pardoned, are people who were wrongfully convicted.

Arpaio, was not wrongfully convicted.

Wrong. Were the drug dealers Obama pardoned wrongfully convicted?

 

[Avatar4321]

It violated the law because all the snowflakes hate him and want to put him in prison, don't ya know. It had nothing to do with the facts or the law.

This pardon says its okay to take the law into your own hands.

He didn't take the law into his own hands. He is the Sherriff. By definition his job is to enforce the law

 

[Papageorgio]

So to all you Republicans who flaunt the word Un-American. The president of the United States, just used his prerogative of pardoning to excuse someone who openly, blatantly and knowingly defied the fourth amendment and got convicted for it. It's legal, but its also a direct assault on the founding fathers who envisiont the judicial as the ultimate protectors of the constitution. What does the rule of law mean when a president pardons his allies because he feels the constitution can be tossed when he doesn't agree with it?

Are you that passionate when Obama and Clinton pardoned criminals or is the just an outrage because you disagree with a Presidents politics?

Does the merit or propriety of Trump pardoning Arpaio have ANYTHING to do with how some poster viewed some other pardon?

How a poster viewed the pardons of previous presidents can be evidence of whether the outrage about this particular pardon might be based more on opposition to Trump than belief that the pardon is a particularly bad thing.

Arpaio was convicted of a minor offense. Presidents since Washington have been granting pardons, often to people convicted of far more severe crimes. If someone has never before cared about presidential pardons, it brings up the question of why it is such a big deal now.

The issue isn’t the severity of the offense but its nature.

Arpaio exhibited brazen contempt for the rule of law – something that cannot be pardoned with regard to a law enforcement officer sworn to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

And that includes laws enacted pursuant to the Constitution, in this case Federal immigration laws and how those laws are to be implemented as determined by the courts.

Arpaio wasn’t required to like or approve of Federal immigration laws, or the rulings of Federal courts, but he was required to obey those laws and court rulings.

Moreover, Arpaio was motivated to ignore the rule of law by an unwarranted animus toward Hispanic immigrants – immigrants entitled to Constitutional protections: to a presumption of innocence and to the right of due process of the law, all disregarded by Arpaio with hateful contempt.

Consequently, the condemnation of Trump’s pardon is perfectly appropriate – separate and apart from Trump.

Do you think every other convicted criminal who has received a presidential pardon exhibited respect for the rule of law?

I don't know if any other law enforcement officers have received pardons. If that is what you think makes this particularly egregious, that may be a valid argument.

However, I am not arguing in favor of Arpaio's pardon. Instead, I am questioning whether those who are describing this pardon as some sort of horrible action have felt that way about any other presidential pardons (of which there have been many).

I am with you, I question the reasoning and the politics. It seems for the last 20 plus years the left and the right just bitch to bitch about the other guy.

 

[Montrovant]

If this pardon advocates lawlessness, doesn't every pardon advocate lawlessness? After all, the very nature of a pardon is to forgive someone for a crime they commit.

People who are pardoned, are people who were wrongfully convicted.

Arpaio, was not wrongfully convicted.

Who says all pardons are people who were wrongfully convicted? There is no rule that limits the president to only pardoning those who were wrongfully convicted.

Have you looked at just the close to 900 pardons granted by the last 3 presidents and concluded that each one was granted because the person was wrongfully convicted?

Did Bill Clinton pardon his brother of a prior drug conviction because he had been wrongly convicted? Did Mark Rich not commit tax fraud?

Was every person on this list wrongfully convicted? Pardons Granted by President Barack Obama (2009-2017) | PARDON | Department of Justice
How about this list? Pardons Granted by President George W. Bush (2001-2009) | PARDON | Department of Justice
Or this one? Pardons Granted by President William J. Clinton (1993-2001) | PARDON | Department of Justice

And that's just the last 3 presidents. Pardons have been granted since Washington.

I don't know where you get the idea that all pardons are granted to people who were wrongfully convicted.

 

[Flash]

If this pardon advocates lawlessness, doesn't every pardon advocate lawlessness? After all, the very nature of a pardon is to forgive someone for a crime they commit.

People who are pardoned, are people who were wrongfully convicted.

Arpaio, was not wrongfully convicted.

No, that is not true. None of the assholes that Obama or Clinton pardoned were wrongfully convicted. They were all guilty but Clinton and Obama chose to pardon them for several different reasons. In the case of Clinton it was that some of the the criminals bought their pardon. Several of Obama's pardons were based upon Obama thinking the punishment was harsher than it should have been like for drug offenses.

Trump pardoned Joe because Joe was railroaded by a filthy ass Libtard Obama appointed judge who was punishing him for arresting illegals and because Joe was denied his Constitutional rights by not being allowed a trial by jury.

Stop trying to defend the Obama Administration for being assholes and railroading Joe for protecting this country. It just makes you look like a stupid partisan pig illegal alien loving fool.

 

[Avatar4321]

If this pardon advocates lawlessness, doesn't every pardon advocate lawlessness? After all, the very nature of a pardon is to forgive someone for a crime they commit.

People who are pardoned, are people who were wrongfully convicted.

Arpaio, was not wrongfully convicted.

Who said only those wrongfully convicted get pardons?

The wrongfully convicted don't need pardons. They can appeal

 

[Billo_Really]

You are confused Moon Bat.

No, that is not true. None of the assholes that Obama or Clinton pardoned were wrongfully convicted. They were all guilty but Clinton and Obama chose to pardon them for several different reasons. In the case of Clinton it was that some of the the criminals bought their pardon. Several of Obama's pardons were based upon Obama thinking the punishment was harsher than it should have been like for drug offenses.

Trump pardoned Joe because Joe was railroaded by a filthy ass Libtard Obama appointed judge who was punishing him for arresting illegals and because Joe was denied his Institutional rights by not being allowed a trial by jury.

Stop trying to defend the Obama Administration for being assholes and railroading Joe for protecting this country. It just makes you look like a stupid partisan pig illegal alien loving fool.

Bradley Manning was convicted for reporting a crime.

 

[Billo_Really]

Who said only those wrongfully convicted get pardons?

I did.

The wrongfully convicted don't need pardons. They can appeal

So why didn't Arpaio?

 

[Flash]

You are confused Moon Bat.

No, that is not true. None of the assholes that Obama or Clinton pardoned were wrongfully convicted. They were all guilty but Clinton and Obama chose to pardon them for several different reasons. In the case of Clinton it was that some of the the criminals bought their pardon. Several of Obama's pardons were based upon Obama thinking the punishment was harsher than it should have been like for drug offenses.

Trump pardoned Joe because Joe was railroaded by a filthy ass Libtard Obama appointed judge who was punishing him for arresting illegals and because Joe was denied his Institutional rights by not being allowed a trial by jury.

Stop trying to defend the Obama Administration for being assholes and railroading Joe for protecting this country. It just makes you look like a stupid partisan pig illegal alien loving fool.

Bradley Manning was convicted for reporting a crime.

The traitorous asshole was not pardoned. His/her/it's sentence was commuted by a transsexual loving Obama. Despicable, isn't it?