Plan Submitted For All Americans to Pay Federal Taxes

[Ray From Cleveland]

I understand exactly what regressive means. Percentage of income is not a valid measurement in determining what each person pays for the exact same government, imho. It’s a liberal feel-good equation used to justify charging some individuals a far greater actual amount for the same product. If anything, charge everyone who wants a say in spending (a vote) a minimal tax, and have most government services funded by user fees. If you have kids in public school, you pay a user fee for that service, for example.

I couldn't agree more. I hate paying the thousands per year to educate the kids of people I don't know or ever even met. The former Section 8 family next to me had three kids in the system plus the ghetto kids from other family members living here and they of course didn't have to pay a dime. The landlord got the money from Section 8, he paid the property taxes, and they had a free suburban home with school.

On the other hand me nor any of my tenants ever had a kid in this school system in the 35 years I lived here. When I filed to have my taxes lowered because they were too high, they made me come downtown for a hearing and guess who was there? The lawyer for the school system to fight my claim.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No it is not. When you have the top 1% having more of the nation's wealth than the middle 60% do, government needs to level the playing field. Big business is robbing the people blind. They are the ones who are causing inflation. Government needs to raise taxes on the rich and powerful and they could raise the earned income tax credit. Or they could increase the standard deduction or re-establish the personal exemption.

There is no such thing as the nations wealth. Money is not finite and divided among the people. You can make as much as you want or as little as you want. If somebody has more than you, it's because of them and not you. If you have more than somebody else, it's not because of them, it's because of you. Taking money from people and giving it to government only makes government richer. That doesn't do anything for us because we know they will just waste it away.

It's not the job of the federal government to divide money. It's the federal governments job to govern.

"When people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of our Republic."
Benjamin Franklin

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That is a great anti-poverty program. Raise taxes on the poor and let the rich get richer. The poor already pay social security and medicare taxes. That apparently is not enough. Low income people should not need to pay taxes. Take your shit and shove it up your ass. I would love to see Republicans run on that.

That sounds great by me. If lower income people pay no taxes, they shouldn't get anything back from government either.

Deal?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You don't understand what regressive means then.

If you earn $20,000, then a $1000 tax is 5 percent of your income.

If you earn $100,000, then a $1000 tax is 1 percent of your income.

How is that fair to the poor in any way?

Both should be paying 5% of their income. If it were up to me, all money to the government would be collected by a consumption tax; even make it progressive if you'd like. But everybody should have a horse in the race.

 

[22lcidw]

There is no such thing as the nations wealth. Money is not finite and divided among the people. You can make as much as you want or as little as you want. If somebody has more than you, it's because of them and not you. If you have more than somebody else, it's not because of them, it's because of you. Taking money from people and giving it to government only makes government richer. That doesn't do anything for us because we know they will just waste it away.

It's not the job of the federal government to divide money. It's the federal governments job to govern.

"When people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of our Republic."
Benjamin Franklin

There are people who believe money is closer to finite then expansive by production and other ways. That there is a Zero-Sum Society or near it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are obviously one of those tards who bleevs the poor are poor by choice.

How could they not be? Give me an example.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I’m not a fan of special rates for different people. It reeks of government trying to promote lifestyles via the tax code. Honestly, I’d prefer just no tax on food. Eat as much or little as you’d like, we don’t tax your food, air, or water consumption.

Special taxes for special people is for vote buying. Look at what Dementia did that put this country in the situation we now have, and it's predicted to get worse now that Russia invaded Ukraine. Giving people free money for 8 months allowed them to get paid to stay home instead of work. Dementia also increased food stamps at the highest level since the program started. Vote buying.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Has there been, since Biden has been in office, a bill presented to roll back Trump tax cuts? Or to increase taxed on the rich? Or to implement a wealth tax?

Leftys always talk about these things but nobody ever seems to actually introduce levitation to start any of it. I want to see the left bring forward a stand alone bill to implement a wealth tax, or to tax unrealized capital gains, and don't bury it 500 pages deep in some other bill where it will go unnoticed. Let's get this bill as the headline, or a stand alone.

It never seems to happen. Kinda like banning guns, they always talk about it, but it never gets brought forward.

The day Dementia found the White House he told his people no minimum wage increase. The entire party ran on that issue during the campaign. Much like taxing the rich, it's what their voters want to hear. What they don't want to hear is how devastating to our economy those policies would be.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If you want real prosperity as a nation. The poor should pay the highest tax rate.

The more a person makes, the lower
the percentage of income should be taxed.

This way people wlll have an incentive to earn more money.

That would never happen. But a good start is to limit these programs that incentivize people not to work.

When I was younger if you wanted government assistance, you had to go in person. There was no internet back then. If you wanted welfare, you had to go downtown and apply for it, sit or stand there for a few hours, and then get interviewed by an agent. Same way with unemployment. We used to stand in line for hours and all they did was put a check mark on the book you wrote your job applications on and you had to do that for each check you wanted to receive.

Start doing it that way and you'll have less people on these social programs. Too much work for them.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There are people who believe money is closer to finite then expansive by production and other ways. That there is a Zero-Sum Society or near it.

When I was working and asked for a raise, I was never told by my employer he'd love to give me one, but the rich have all the money. Nor was I ever told that when applying for a car loan. It's a leftist myth that the reason they have little money is because the rich have it all.

 

[Colin norris]

Poopeypants wont get any votes, not even the fake ones, if that happens.

Poopeypants???
How original is that?
Trump won't be happy if he has to pay tax

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Poopeypants???
How original is that?
Trump won't be happy if he has to pay tax

Not nearly as creative as Trumpster or orange man now is it?

 

[Uncensored2008]

They have control and will give you nothing. You will keep voting for them and will continue complaining. You are a dupe.

Fascist Franco worked 9 months a year, 6 hour days mind raping children. Now he gets triple the salary he was paid when he was polluting a classroom as a teachers union pension. Gold plated medical and dental. All paid for by you and I.

To Franco, National Socialism is wonderful. He skated through life feeding at the public trough and now lives in luxury on the backs of those who busted their asses building and creating.

For a parasite like Franco, nothing is better than fascism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Fascist Franco worked 9 months a year, 6 hour days mind raping children. Now he gets triple the salary he was paid when he was polluting a classroom as a teachers union pension. Gold plated medical and dental. All paid for by you and I.

To Franco, National Socialism is wonderful. He skated through life feeding at the public trough and now lives in luxury on the backs of those who busted their asses building and creating.

For a parasite like Franco, nothing is better than fascism.

If you actually believe he taught anything. I don't know of any teacher that doesn't know the difference between bologna and baloney.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You mean like the election was stolen and Putin is a genius and vaccines and global warming are a hoax? You people have another planet

Yeah, pretty much.

So Putin is evil. You are stupid. You are also evil, so you think Putin must be stupid like you, since both of you are evil.

But that's just because you're stupid.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If you actually believe he taught anything. I don't know of any teacher that doesn't know the difference between bologna and baloney.

He says he was a public school teacher - and he's stupid enough to be one..

 

[Weatherman2020]

And Trump didn't know that illegals were working on his properties? The same bozo who picks out curtain swatches for his shitty properties didn't know illegals were working there. Sure.

Need a bridge?

Yeah, I’m sure Trump knows the immigration status of everyone of his thousands of employees, how many kids they have, their names of all family members…..

Dumbass extraordinaire.

 

[francoHFW]

Yeah, pretty much.

So Putin is evil. You are stupid. You are also evil, so you think Putin must be stupid like you, since both of you are evil.

But that's just because you're stupid.

Yes yes Putin is a wonderful genius ask any Ukrainians... Funny how Russian and GOP/trump propaganda are so similar last five years isn't it? GOP base voters are the most ignorant voters in the modern world by far, rivaled only by UK Tories... Poor America poor UK for that matter.....

 

[francoHFW]

He says he was a public school teacher - and he's stupid enough to be one..

No I said I was a private school teacher, try and get something right someday LOL.

 

[francoHFW]

If you actually believe he taught anything. I don't know of any teacher that doesn't know the difference between bologna and baloney.

That is what voice recognition says, not me. There is no difference *******. Everything you know is wrong how about that.....