Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[danielpalos]

it is not wrong; you only have an appeal to ignorance, not a valid rebuttal. want to try and cite some facts, this time; Person on the (habitually disingenuous) Right.

Is there some secret probationary moral regarding false witness bearing for a Lord God or a Lord Satan?

It is right. Union organizing is where unions impose a labor monopoly on an employer. It's not voluntary on the part of the employer and a lot of the employees.

You obviously don't know jack shit about unions and how they operate.

It requires a democracy of Labor to accomplish; not just an arbitrary and capricious decision by an owner or management for some bottom line factor or political equivalent.

Democracy isn't voluntary. It's compulsory. How are the decisions of management any more arbitrary or capricious than the decisions of the union?

If democracy isn't voluntary, why do you prefer the outright command economics of management; (Person on the cognitively dissonant) Right.

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

So is the employer; i hear labor costs much less in third world economies.

 

[bripat9643]

Collective bargaining is not a voluntary arrangement for the firm or even a lot of the employees. The government forces it on them. If the firm was able to contract with who it liked, it would tell the union to get the fuck out and never come back. Collective bargaining is being forced to do the bidding of a third party.

Collective bargaining involves more Informed Consent than simply getting hired on an allegedly at-will basis.

It isn't consented to by the firm and a large percentage of the employees.

how does that work when they vote for unionizing?

How does the firm consent to it? The employees who voted "no" certainly didn't consent to it, did they?

Why should the actual manner of association matter to the employer, but for Labor costs? 70k could be a good wage for labor. why does management believe they are worth multi-million dollar bonuses?

It matters t everyone whether you agree to an arrangement or whether it is imposed on you with a gun.

How fucking stupid are you?

 

[bripat9643]

It is right. Union organizing is where unions impose a labor monopoly on an employer. It's not voluntary on the part of the employer and a lot of the employees.

You obviously don't know jack shit about unions and how they operate.

It requires a democracy of Labor to accomplish; not just an arbitrary and capricious decision by an owner or management for some bottom line factor or political equivalent.

Democracy isn't voluntary. It's compulsory. How are the decisions of management any more arbitrary or capricious than the decisions of the union?

If democracy isn't voluntary, why do you prefer the outright command economics of management; (Person on the cognitively dissonant) Right.

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

So is the employer; i hear labor costs much less in third world economies.

Wrong. The employer is not free to tell the union to fuck off. The government forces it to make an "agreement" with the union.

 

[danielpalos]

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only the cognitively dissonant Right wants to keep our silly wars on silly abstractions to practice financing them with our Tax monies via direct forms of taxation. rodnim.

only the cognitively dissonant Left wants to keep our destructive welfare state on silly abstractions to practice financing them with our Tax monies via direct forms of taxation. rodnim

you need a better clue and a better Cause; we don't have a welfare-State, we have a warfare-State.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

According to Republicans, it's NOT OK for an auto deduction which costs nothing, but IT IS OK to use your cell phone to pay, and PAY A FEE.

I LOVE IT.....screw workers and suck your contributors all at once! YOU GO REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel News The Advocate Baton Rouge Louisiana

Union membership shouldn't be obligatory let alone paying dues as with automatically deducting them from your paycheck.

I'm ALL about unions, but not compulsory membership and seizing dues automatically.

 

[danielpalos]

It requires a democracy of Labor to accomplish; not just an arbitrary and capricious decision by an owner or management for some bottom line factor or political equivalent.

Talk about arbitrary and capricious decision but back int eh 1970s my wife belonged to a teacher's union.

The filthy ass Libtard leadership of the union made a arbitrary and capricious decision to use my wife's money to support that idiot Jimmy Carter for President.

Thank goodness Florida is a right to work state because then she was able to tell the union to go fuck themselves and quit.

Liberals hate the idea of freedom. She was free once she quit the union.

By the way, there is no democracy in business. Business in not a welfare state or social justice experiment. Business exist solely to make a profit. Labor is a commodity just like anything else and should be controlled by market forces and not government protection.

I thought unions had more representation from labor.

 

[danielpalos]

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That's just what I was saying. An employee doesn't like it that a union was voted in, they can quit and go get another job. It always a voluntary arrangement who they work for.

Not if they live in a non right to work state. Then they are forced to belong to the filthy greedy union.

You have more representation with a union than with a Firm on an at-will basis.

 

[danielpalos]

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

That's just what I was saying. An employee doesn't like it that a union was voted in, they can quit and go get another job. It always a voluntary arrangement who they work for.

The union is a third party to the negotiations. It has no right to be involved in the first place, moron.

so what; you only have an unsubstantiated opinion that is full of fallacy, not any form of rebuttal; clueless and Causeless, Person on the Right.

 

[danielpalos]

Collective bargaining involves more Informed Consent than simply getting hired on an allegedly at-will basis.

It isn't consented to by the firm and a large percentage of the employees.

how does that work when they vote for unionizing?

How does the firm consent to it? The employees who voted "no" certainly didn't consent to it, did they?

Why should the actual manner of association matter to the employer, but for Labor costs? 70k could be a good wage for labor. why does management believe they are worth multi-million dollar bonuses?

It matters t everyone whether you agree to an arrangement or whether it is imposed on you with a gun.

How fucking stupid are you?

Why complain about a lack of Informed Consent and voluntary signatories, Person on the Right. You don't get any more of it with Firms; ask Labor that worked at Hostess.

 

[danielpalos]

It requires a democracy of Labor to accomplish; not just an arbitrary and capricious decision by an owner or management for some bottom line factor or political equivalent.

Democracy isn't voluntary. It's compulsory. How are the decisions of management any more arbitrary or capricious than the decisions of the union?

If democracy isn't voluntary, why do you prefer the outright command economics of management; (Person on the cognitively dissonant) Right.

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

So is the employer; i hear labor costs much less in third world economies.

Wrong. The employer is not free to tell the union to fuck off. The government forces it to make an "agreement" with the union.

sure they can; if they want to spend some time in custody and discuss legal strategy with Agent Orange.

 

[danielpalos]

According to Republicans, it's NOT OK for an auto deduction which costs nothing, but IT IS OK to use your cell phone to pay, and PAY A FEE.

I LOVE IT.....screw workers and suck your contributors all at once! YOU GO REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel News The Advocate Baton Rouge Louisiana

Union membership shouldn't be obligatory let alone paying dues as with automatically deducting them from your paycheck.

I'm ALL about unions, but not compulsory membership and seizing dues automatically.

Why not have unions hire personnel and lease them to employers? It would solve the dues problem with active Labor.

 

[bripat9643]

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

That's just what I was saying. An employee doesn't like it that a union was voted in, they can quit and go get another job. It always a voluntary arrangement who they work for.

The union is a third party to the negotiations. It has no right to be involved in the first place, moron.

so what; you only have an unsubstantiated opinion that is full of fallacy, not any form of rebuttal; clueless and Causeless, Person on the Right.

What right does any third party have to intrude an arrangement made by two other parties? Does your neighbor have a right to agree to the terms of your mortgage?

 

[bripat9643]

According to Republicans, it's NOT OK for an auto deduction which costs nothing, but IT IS OK to use your cell phone to pay, and PAY A FEE.

I LOVE IT.....screw workers and suck your contributors all at once! YOU GO REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel News The Advocate Baton Rouge Louisiana

Union membership shouldn't be obligatory let alone paying dues as with automatically deducting them from your paycheck.

I'm ALL about unions, but not compulsory membership and seizing dues automatically.

Why not have unions hire personnel and lease them to employers? It would solve the dues problem with active Labor.

They're free to do so, so long as the employer can say "go fuck yourself" to the union, just is it can with any other vendor.

 

[bripat9643]

Democracy isn't voluntary. It's compulsory. How are the decisions of management any more arbitrary or capricious than the decisions of the union?

If democracy isn't voluntary, why do you prefer the outright command economics of management; (Person on the cognitively dissonant) Right.

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

So is the employer; i hear labor costs much less in third world economies.

Wrong. The employer is not free to tell the union to fuck off. The government forces it to make an "agreement" with the union.

sure they can; if they want to spend some time in custody and discuss legal strategy with Agent Orange.

In other words, they can't, you dumb asshole.

 

[bripat9643]

It isn't consented to by the firm and a large percentage of the employees.

how does that work when they vote for unionizing?

How does the firm consent to it? The employees who voted "no" certainly didn't consent to it, did they?

Why should the actual manner of association matter to the employer, but for Labor costs? 70k could be a good wage for labor. why does management believe they are worth multi-million dollar bonuses?

It matters t everyone whether you agree to an arrangement or whether it is imposed on you with a gun.

How fucking stupid are you?

Why complain about a lack of Informed Consent and voluntary signatories, Person on the Right. You don't get any more of it with Firms; ask Labor that worked at Hostess.

This is getting too stupid to waste time on.

 

[danielpalos]

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

That's just what I was saying. An employee doesn't like it that a union was voted in, they can quit and go get another job. It always a voluntary arrangement who they work for.

The union is a third party to the negotiations. It has no right to be involved in the first place, moron.

so what; you only have an unsubstantiated opinion that is full of fallacy, not any form of rebuttal; clueless and Causeless, Person on the Right.

What right does any third party have to intrude an arrangement made by two other parties? Does your neighbor have a right to agree to the terms of your mortgage?

They are already doing payroll; it really is that simple; Person on the Right.

 

[danielpalos]

According to Republicans, it's NOT OK for an auto deduction which costs nothing, but IT IS OK to use your cell phone to pay, and PAY A FEE.

I LOVE IT.....screw workers and suck your contributors all at once! YOU GO REPUBLICANS!!!!!!

Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel News The Advocate Baton Rouge Louisiana

Union membership shouldn't be obligatory let alone paying dues as with automatically deducting them from your paycheck.

I'm ALL about unions, but not compulsory membership and seizing dues automatically.

Why not have unions hire personnel and lease them to employers? It would solve the dues problem with active Labor.

They're free to do so, so long as the employer can say "go fuck yourself" to the union, just is it can with any other vendor.

Then, I don't see much of a problem with unions upgrading to modern times.

 

[danielpalos]

If democracy isn't voluntary, why do you prefer the outright command economics of management; (Person on the cognitively dissonant) Right.

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

So is the employer; i hear labor costs much less in third world economies.

Wrong. The employer is not free to tell the union to fuck off. The government forces it to make an "agreement" with the union.

sure they can; if they want to spend some time in custody and discuss legal strategy with Agent Orange.

In other words, they can't, you dumb asshole.

only if they are big chickens with no Faith in their legal strategy.

 

[danielpalos]

how does that work when they vote for unionizing?

How does the firm consent to it? The employees who voted "no" certainly didn't consent to it, did they?

Why should the actual manner of association matter to the employer, but for Labor costs? 70k could be a good wage for labor. why does management believe they are worth multi-million dollar bonuses?

It matters t everyone whether you agree to an arrangement or whether it is imposed on you with a gun.

How fucking stupid are you?

Why complain about a lack of Informed Consent and voluntary signatories, Person on the Right. You don't get any more of it with Firms; ask Labor that worked at Hostess.

This is getting too stupid to waste time on.

yes, it is when You have no clue and no Cause; shill for the Right.

 

[bripat9643]

Employees are free to leave if the don't like the way the company they work for is run. It's a voluntary arrangement.

That's just what I was saying. An employee doesn't like it that a union was voted in, they can quit and go get another job. It always a voluntary arrangement who they work for.

The union is a third party to the negotiations. It has no right to be involved in the first place, moron.

so what; you only have an unsubstantiated opinion that is full of fallacy, not any form of rebuttal; clueless and Causeless, Person on the Right.

What right does any third party have to intrude an arrangement made by two other parties? Does your neighbor have a right to agree to the terms of your mortgage?

They are already doing payroll; it really is that simple; Person on the Right.

You're the one who is simple.