Plan to ban automatic deduction of public employee union dues clears House panel

[pwjohn]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

 

[Papageorgio]

The National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation offers free legal representation to workers whose unions refuse to let them resign and become partial-dues, financial-core represented workers. It can be reached on the Internet at National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation An amendment to the NLRA currently under consideration in Congress would extend right-to-work protections to workers in every state. If that were to become law there could be no compulsory union dues for any purpose in any state.

You are forced by unions, to work for the unions.

Andy, who forces a person to apply for a union job? Who keeps a person working a union job who wants to quit that job? No one is the correct answer.

You don't want to work for a union shop, don't apply there. But what I hear is that some workers don't mind working in a union job for the pay and protections. They just happen to be mooches who don't want to pay for the benefits extended to them by the union.

But NO ONE is forced to apply and work for a union shop. NO ONE. And NO ONE is stopped from quitting a union job. NO ONE.

So what is the problem with unions. They are duly elected organizations. Legal. And serve a good purpose for many workers. What is the problem with unions?

And why are the Republican so intent on union busting. What threat does a union represent to Republicans?

I didn't apply for a "union job". The union came in about 3 years later!

They are completely and utterly useless in all respects.

Yet, those on the Right claim you can quit and find a new employer who isn't unionized; instead of merely complaining about that "professional" challenge.

Got it wrong, the only ones on this thread that said you can get another job that wasnt unionized was a lefty.

You need to get your facts straight, you spread a lot of misinformation.

What disinformation, Person on the disingenuous Right when it comes to your clues and your Causes; it is the Right that always claims a Person can quit and find another job.

Well gee, let's start with the one where you claim, Yet, those on the Right claim you can quit and find a new employer who isn't unionized; instead of merely complaining about that "professional" challenge. Then look at my response.

Now let's watch you sidestep the whole issue. Disingenuous leftwing nut.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards will do.

 

[Papageorgio]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards with do.

The mere obligation to devote hours to the cause, burdens the tax paying working class through the expense of the tax system that imposes the burden on the middle class. The left unduly let's the working and middle class pay for their luxury.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards with do.

The mere obligation to devote hours to the cause, burdens the tax paying working class through the expense of the tax system that imposes the burden on the middle class. The left unduly let's the working and middle class pay for their luxury.

involuntary deductions are processed; why Only a problem where some (voluntary and collective) bargaining occurred and resulted in that administrative convenience for the purposes of collective bargaining by a union of the People.

 

[Papageorgio]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards with do.

The mere obligation to devote hours to the cause, burdens the tax paying working class through the expense of the tax system that imposes the burden on the middle class. The left unduly let's the working and middle class pay for their luxury.

involuntary deductions are processed; why Only a problem where some (voluntary and collective) bargaining occurred and resulted in that administrative convenience for the purposes of collective bargaining by a union of the People.

The article of content has no issues with the only the voluntary aspect of the forgoing complaint, the issue is the added cost burden to the involuntary person of the working class that has to submit to higher tax obligations because the volunteer is requiring the added burden to the above said. The left should not require the added burden on the working and middle class of the involuntary by the voluntary.

 

[danielpalos]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

we already know organized Labor is a weak link to the extent they don't rely on voluntary contributions and more effort on capital financing.

 

[Papageorgio]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

 

[Papageorgio]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

That would be fair enough, then all win.

 

[pwjohn]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards will do.

Unless public sector employees are working for free while handling Union business than that becomes a considerable and unnecessary burden to the taxpayers. And that's a fact.

 

[danielpalos]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

It almost seems as if the Right is willing to sacrifice Labor for the sake of Capitalists who already have capital.

It is politics such as this which give some of the least wealthy pause to suspend class warfare regarding a wealthy notion that only "fools and horses" should Have to work.

 

[Papageorgio]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

It almost seems as if the Right is willing to sacrifice Labor for the sake of Capitalists who already have capital.

Yet, it is the left that wants to take from the working class the involuntary to help fund the voluntary, that is oppressing the very group the left is claiming to care about. The elitist left care not for their fellow man however want to oppress the worker and his rights.

 

[Papageorgio]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards with do.

The mere obligation to devote hours to the cause, burdens the tax paying working class through the expense of the tax system that imposes the burden on the middle class. The left unduly let's the working and middle class pay for their luxury.

involuntary deductions are processed; why Only a problem where some (voluntary and collective) bargaining occurred and resulted in that administrative convenience for the purposes of collective bargaining by a union of the People.

The question has been answered see all the above posts.

Thank you

 

[danielpalos]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

It almost seems as if the Right is willing to sacrifice Labor for the sake of Capitalists who already have capital.

Yet, it is the left that wants to take from the working class the involuntary to help fund the voluntary, that is oppressing the very group the left is claiming to care about. The elitist left care not for their fellow man however want to oppress the worker and his rights.

Providing for the general welfare is expressly declared as a general power. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law via any infidel-ism, insurrection-ism, protestant-ism, nor renegade-ism. In any Case, promoting the general welfare is in our preamble, should we feel any need to quibble this technical point in any legal venue.

 

[danielpalos]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards with do.

The mere obligation to devote hours to the cause, burdens the tax paying working class through the expense of the tax system that imposes the burden on the middle class. The left unduly let's the working and middle class pay for their luxury.

involuntary deductions are processed; why Only a problem where some (voluntary and collective) bargaining occurred and resulted in that administrative convenience for the purposes of collective bargaining by a union of the People.

The question has been answered see all the above posts.

Thank you

yes; it seems to arbitrary and capricious and based on ideology as a political gambit via appeal to the masses; as that form of willful blindness to existing laws. We have a Commerce Clause. Collective bargaining is a form of Commerce.

 

[Papageorgio]

Maybe it's time for the unions to cover their own admistrative costs instead of burdening the taxpayer with it.

how is the taxpayer being "burdened" with that administrative cost more so than any other involuntary costs? the public sector should recuse itself from any private laws or public laws whenever fixing merely Standards with do.

The mere obligation to devote hours to the cause, burdens the tax paying working class through the expense of the tax system that imposes the burden on the middle class. The left unduly let's the working and middle class pay for their luxury.

involuntary deductions are processed; why Only a problem where some (voluntary and collective) bargaining occurred and resulted in that administrative convenience for the purposes of collective bargaining by a union of the People.

The question has been answered see all the above posts.

Thank you

yes; it seems to arbitrary and capricious and based on ideology as a political gambit via appeal to the masses; as that form of willful blindness to existing laws. We have a Commerce Clause. Collective bargaining is a form of Commerce.

The above was answered and discussed, you are free to make of it as you will. Public collective bargaining is not part of and Commerce Clause as many Constitutionalist, Attorneys and judges have ruled. That is a reason many federal employees are not under collective bargaining agreements. They cast a heavy burden on the taxpayer.

So you deal with your emotional statements, I will continue to deal in facts.

 

[Papageorgio]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

It almost seems as if the Right is willing to sacrifice Labor for the sake of Capitalists who already have capital.

Yet, it is the left that wants to take from the working class the involuntary to help fund the voluntary, that is oppressing the very group the left is claiming to care about. The elitist left care not for their fellow man however want to oppress the worker and his rights.

Providing for the general welfare is expressly declared as a general power. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law via any infidel-ism, insurrection-ism, protestant-ism, nor renegade-ism. In any Case, promoting the general welfare is in our preamble, should we feel any need to quibble this technical point in any legal venue.

That is the reason undue burden that the left wants to oblige on them is so detrimental to the country and its well being. It contributes to a few at the expense of the working class and middle class, which no party wants to help.

 

[danielpalos]

The above was answered and discussed, you are free to make of it as you will. Public collective bargaining is not part of and Commerce Clause as many Constitutionalist, Attorneys and judges have ruled. That is a reason many federal employees are not under collective bargaining agreements. They cast a heavy burden on the taxpayer.

So you deal with your emotional statements, I will continue to deal in facts.


Which facts are those; why do you believe collective bargaining agreements, as Contracts, should not be handled by a Commerce department?

 

[danielpalos]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

It almost seems as if the Right is willing to sacrifice Labor for the sake of Capitalists who already have capital.

Yet, it is the left that wants to take from the working class the involuntary to help fund the voluntary, that is oppressing the very group the left is claiming to care about. The elitist left care not for their fellow man however want to oppress the worker and his rights.

Providing for the general welfare is expressly declared as a general power. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law via any infidel-ism, insurrection-ism, protestant-ism, nor renegade-ism. In any Case, promoting the general welfare is in our preamble, should we feel any need to quibble this technical point in any legal venue.

That is the reason undue burden that the left wants to oblige on them is so detrimental to the country and its well being. It contributes to a few at the expense of the working class and middle class, which no party wants to help.

You don't seem to have a clue or a Cause, but Only propaganda and rhetoric that doesn't cover the rebuttals presented.

Providing for the general welfare is expressly declared as a general power. There is no appeal to ignorance of the law via any infidel-ism, insurrection-ism, protestant-ism, nor renegade-ism. In any Case, promoting the general welfare is in our preamble, should we feel any need to quibble this technical point in any legal venue.

 

[pwjohn]

involuntary deductions happen; why only a problem with the democracy that resulted in a union with dues requirements; Person on the Right?

The right only is concerned when the voluntary impose the will and expense on the disenfranchised minority to propagate their hidden agenda to bring down the middle and working class the burden on the involuntary. But we will talk about it after the Democrats war on the worker.

It almost seems as if the Right is willing to sacrifice Labor for the sake of Capitalists who already have capital.

It is politics such as this which give some of the least wealthy pause to suspend class warfare regarding a wealthy notion that only "fools and horses" should Have to work.

The real problem here has more to do with the unions lack of what is known as common sense that would lead them to know when it's time to keep there powder dry. This is one of those times.