Please will someone who opposes the building of the "Wall" on the southern border explain why?

Lot of posts on why a wall is a bad idea. Guess the op didn’t expect that because he doesn’t seem to reply .
 
Considering you have not thought this out at all there is no question to stupid to give to you. How many people will it take to greatly reduce the the flow? Lets just start a project that we have no idea what it's long term costs are and if it will even work. Take that buisness plan to the bank and try to get a loan. What a fucking idiot.

Considering you have not thought this out at all

I have thought out ladders and explosives. That's why I said the wall/fence must be kept under observation with agents nearby.

Lets just start a project that we have no idea what it's long term costs are and if it will even work.

Cheaper than allowing millions of illegals to freely cross our borders.

Take that buisness plan

Business plan? Government is a business? DERP!
You have not put a cost to it! You would get lauighed at just like trump at the UN. You are a fucking idiot! I can put a whole in your fence inside of two minutes. This means you need some one inside two miles to stop me. Good luck!

You have not put a cost to it!

So what?

You would get lauighed at

Why is securing our porous border.....funny?

I can put a whole in your fence inside of two minutes.

I'm hoping the agents monitoring the wall/fence have permission to shoot your dumb ass.

This means you need some one inside two miles to stop me.

Or drones to watch you and catch you further inside the US. Good luck!
You are a true idiot! Only idiots say things are a great idea with out knowing the cost!

It's the responsibility of our government to secure our borders.
When you look at all the money we spend on illegal aliens and their children, it's also a money saver.
I'd be willing to use weaponized drones and mine fields, but lib pussies would whine.
right wing fantasy, at its finest?
 
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Build the fucking thing, if it's so damned important to you. Trump has decimated the number of refugees he is admitting to the country during the worst worldwide refugee crisis this planet has ever experienced. Now he wants a 30 foot high wall across our southern border to keep the boogey man out. Sounds like a coward to me.

You are an idiot! The refuge crisis has been created by countries., mostly run by Socialists like you and are starving because their Govt's are corrupt. I don't mind immigration if you are here someone in your family tree Immigrated here Unless you are a native American. Why don't you go to a third world country and take a swipe at their Govt. Officials, Oh Paulie! you won't see him no more REtard
Our alleged wars on drugs and terror, is creating refugees.
 
Considering you have not thought this out at all

I have thought out ladders and explosives. That's why I said the wall/fence must be kept under observation with agents nearby.

Lets just start a project that we have no idea what it's long term costs are and if it will even work.

Cheaper than allowing millions of illegals to freely cross our borders.

Take that buisness plan

Business plan? Government is a business? DERP!
You have not put a cost to it! You would get lauighed at just like trump at the UN. You are a fucking idiot! I can put a whole in your fence inside of two minutes. This means you need some one inside two miles to stop me. Good luck!

You have not put a cost to it!

So what?

You would get lauighed at

Why is securing our porous border.....funny?

I can put a whole in your fence inside of two minutes.

I'm hoping the agents monitoring the wall/fence have permission to shoot your dumb ass.

This means you need some one inside two miles to stop me.

Or drones to watch you and catch you further inside the US. Good luck!
You are a true idiot! Only idiots say things are a great idea with out knowing the cost!

It's the responsibility of our government to secure our borders.
When you look at all the money we spend on illegal aliens and their children, it's also a money saver.
I'd be willing to use weaponized drones and mine fields, but lib pussies would whine.
Illegals also work for substandard wages adding billions to the economy

They cost more than they add. Give them the boot.
 
I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

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You builld a 1000 mile wall, there will be 1000 tunnels underneath it as soon as it's built!

I would strongly suggest you watch this 2-1/2 minute video all the way to the end.



Then read this.


UZPRGACQVBCWTE6CPV5RJKTXLE.jpg

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels - Los Angeles Times

Anything they can SEE can and will always be compromised. High tech motion detectors--(something they can't see) they won't even attempt. Democrats did offer that up at the last debt ceiling compromise along with more border patrol stations along the border that could react quickly to an alert, and Trump stuck with his worthless POS wall.


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A) Do you really think YOU are SMARTER than the people who get paid to come up with the scenarios you have laid out?
B) Do YOU REALLY THINK there are not tools that can be employed to determine these tunnels?
C) Why don't you share this with the US Border agency because I'm sure they would like to know about this as the point of the above picture was it was taken by people that
KNEW about these tunnels.
 
I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

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You builld a 1000 mile wall, there will be 1000 tunnels underneath it as soon as it's built!

I would strongly suggest you watch this 2-1/2 minute video all the way to the end.



Then read this.


UZPRGACQVBCWTE6CPV5RJKTXLE.jpg

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels - Los Angeles Times

Anything they can SEE can and will always be compromised. High tech motion detectors--(something they can't see) they won't even attempt. Democrats did offer that up at the last debt ceiling compromise along with more border patrol stations along the border that could react quickly to an alert, and Trump stuck with his worthless POS wall.


.



A new device the size of a postage stamp can detect 1-part-per-billion changes in Earth’s gravitational field—equivalent to what the gizmo would experience if it were lifted a mere 3 millimeters. The technology may become so cheap and portable it could one day be mounted on drones to spot everything from hidden drug tunnels to valuable mineral deposits.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...or-could-detect-drug-tunnels-mineral-deposits


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269122889_Tunnel_Detection_Along_the_Southwest_US_Border
The U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center (ERDC) has worked with U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) since 1995 to address the problem of clandestine tunnels beneath the U.S./Mexico border. ERDC has performed tunnel-related research, equipment development, or tunneldetection missions at the request of the LEAs, coordinated by Joint Task Force 6 (JTF-6, Fort Bliss, TX, now known as JTF-N for Northern Command, US Army).
This support to LEAs has revealed the importance of understanding the geologic context of a suspected tunnel site as a basis for selecting the appropriate geophysical tools and interpreting anomalies indicated by geophysical data.
Tunnel detection missions always involve multiple tools and techniques.
A combination of geophysical instruments is used to record data based on different physical principals. When interpreted in a regional geologic context, the combined geophysical methods improve the likelihood of success for tunnel detection.
A variable-frequency electromagnetic survey tool was developed in the 1990s as part of tunneldetection research, and proven at a tunnel test bed near Otay Mesa, CA. Also at the Otay Mesa site, an ERDC-led team installed and tested a prototype passive-seismic fence, a system that can detect machine and impact noise during the tunnel excavation process. This seismic fence concept has strong potential for deterring tunneling in geographic areas where tunnels have been found most frequently and where cultural clutter limits the usefulness of surface geophysical techniques and tunnel detection.
Current ERDC tunnel detection efforts (March 2005) are coordinated with the National Geo- Intelligence Agency (NGA, formerly NIMA) to combine electromagnetic and radar methods with emerging technology in microgravimetry.
 
I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407


You builld a 1000 mile wall, there will be 1000 tunnels underneath it as soon as it's built!

I would strongly suggest you watch this 2-1/2 minute video all the way to the end.



Then read this.


UZPRGACQVBCWTE6CPV5RJKTXLE.jpg

The ins and outs of U.S.-Mexico border tunnels - Los Angeles Times

Anything they can SEE can and will always be compromised. High tech motion detectors--(something they can't see) they won't even attempt. Democrats did offer that up at the last debt ceiling compromise along with more border patrol stations along the border that could react quickly to an alert, and Trump stuck with his worthless POS wall.


.



A new device the size of a postage stamp can detect 1-part-per-billion changes in Earth’s gravitational field—equivalent to what the gizmo would experience if it were lifted a mere 3 millimeters. The technology may become so cheap and portable it could one day be mounted on drones to spot everything from hidden drug tunnels to valuable mineral deposits.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...or-could-detect-drug-tunnels-mineral-deposits


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269122889_Tunnel_Detection_Along_the_Southwest_US_Border
The U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center (ERDC) has worked with U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) since 1995 to address the problem of clandestine tunnels beneath the U.S./Mexico border. ERDC has performed tunnel-related research, equipment development, or tunneldetection missions at the request of the LEAs, coordinated by Joint Task Force 6 (JTF-6, Fort Bliss, TX, now known as JTF-N for Northern Command, US Army).
This support to LEAs has revealed the importance of understanding the geologic context of a suspected tunnel site as a basis for selecting the appropriate geophysical tools and interpreting anomalies indicated by geophysical data.
Tunnel detection missions always involve multiple tools and techniques.
A combination of geophysical instruments is used to record data based on different physical principals. When interpreted in a regional geologic context, the combined geophysical methods improve the likelihood of success for tunnel detection.
A variable-frequency electromagnetic survey tool was developed in the 1990s as part of tunneldetection research, and proven at a tunnel test bed near Otay Mesa, CA. Also at the Otay Mesa site, an ERDC-led team installed and tested a prototype passive-seismic fence, a system that can detect machine and impact noise during the tunnel excavation process. This seismic fence concept has strong potential for deterring tunneling in geographic areas where tunnels have been found most frequently and where cultural clutter limits the usefulness of surface geophysical techniques and tunnel detection.
Current ERDC tunnel detection efforts (March 2005) are coordinated with the National Geo- Intelligence Agency (NGA, formerly NIMA) to combine electromagnetic and radar methods with emerging technology in microgravimetry.

This is such exciting news! Science and technology will soon offer government the tools to be everywhere, to know everything.
 
I think its needless.
If we took away incentive, we wouldnt have to do shit. Those assholes would leave when they are dumb, sick, living in the streets and cant afford a piece of bread.
But i like to actually solve problems. Band aids are for the birds.
THEN AGAIN, I dont trust our congress critters.
So i am a bit torn about it actually getting done because i dont trust them to do their jobs.
THATS how low my standards are with these fucks!

" Dumb sick, living in the streets"
Talking about whire boy Mississippians?

I’m thinking you meant black Mississippians?
21.3% of US Participates in Government Assistance Programs Each Month
Who Participated in Welfare?
The black population at 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.
The black participation rate was followed by Hispanics at 36.4 percent, Asians or Pacific Islanders at 17.8 percent, and non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent
Do you mention us old white farts sucking off our socialist SS and Medicare and VA benefits?
Way more than the brown people you are so jealous of

What’s this “us” shit....nobody here believes you are white. Funny shit!
 
Lot of posts on why a wall is a bad idea. Guess the op didn’t expect that because he doesn’t seem to reply .

Some idiot said wall is useless because he showed tunnels. Tunnels are passe´ because of the below.

A new device the size of a postage stamp can detect 1-part-per-billion changes in Earth’s gravitational field—equivalent to what the gizmo would experience if it were lifted a mere 3 millimeters. The technology may become so cheap and portable it could one day be mounted on drones to spot everything from hidden drug tunnels to valuable mineral deposits.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016...or-could-detect-drug-tunnels-mineral-deposits


https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269122889_Tunnel_Detection_Along_the_Southwest_US_Border
The U.S. Army Engineer Research and Development Center (ERDC) has worked with U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies (LEAs) since 1995 to address the problem of clandestine tunnels beneath the U.S./Mexico border. ERDC has performed tunnel-related research, equipment development, or tunneldetection missions at the request of the LEAs, coordinated by Joint Task Force 6 (JTF-6, Fort Bliss, TX, now known as JTF-N for Northern Command, US Army).
This support to LEAs has revealed the importance of understanding the geologic context of a suspected tunnel site as a basis for selecting the appropriate geophysical tools and interpreting anomalies indicated by geophysical data.
Tunnel detection missions always involve multiple tools and techniques.
A combination of geophysical instruments is used to record data based on different physical principals. When interpreted in a regional geologic context, the combined geophysical methods improve the likelihood of success for tunnel detection.
A variable-frequency electromagnetic survey tool was developed in the 1990s as part of tunneldetection research, and proven at a tunnel test bed near Otay Mesa, CA. Also at the Otay Mesa site, an ERDC-led team installed and tested a prototype passive-seismic fence, a system that can detect machine and impact noise during the tunnel excavation process. This seismic fence concept has strong potential for deterring tunneling in geographic areas where tunnels have been found most frequently and where cultural clutter limits the usefulness of surface geophysical techniques and tunnel detection.
Current ERDC tunnel detection efforts (March 2005) are coordinated with the National Geo- Intelligence Agency (NGA, formerly NIMA) to combine electromagnetic and radar methods with emerging technology in microgravimetry.

Then another idiot said there was no way Mexico would pay for the wall! AHemmmm!!!

Mexico takes in about $2 billion a month in remittances.
The numbers behind Donald Trump’s threat to block money from being sent back to Mexico

So $24 billion a year wire transfers,money orders to Mexico from the United States.
10% tax equals $2.4 billion times 10 years equals $24 billion..
to build a wall that costs
CNBC reported in October that such a wall would likely cost more in the range of $15 to $25 billion.
How much would Donald Trump's U.S.-Mexico wall cost?
Well there you go... 10% tax on wire transfers to Mexico pays for the wall over 10 years.

Finally I keep asking the idiots who think a wall won't work, why then do people do this?
And some idiot said it was a "privacy" fence... DUH!!! What is the objective of keeping things private is... ok lets all say at once ..."FOR SECURITY"!!!
wallsbehindwalls.png
 
Other countries are now waking up and stopping immigrants/refugees from entering. Maybe because of the scum that is entering. Can't support themselves, won't work, want free shit, disrespect the citizens, etc etc etc.
So why is it so damn awful the USA wants people who CAN work, WILL work, HAVE enough funds to support themselves and respect the country they so badly want to belong to???

Answer that.
Only lousy capitalists lose money on border policy and complain about taxes.
Do you actually have a job in the United States of America, And you're absolutely right only a "Lousy" Capitalist. Would lose money on border policy "good capitalists" would make money on border policy. I like the make money scenario better, Lets start charging foreigner's 50 k apiece to become citizens. 5k to get in then 5yrs to come up with the cash or we throw you back out that would cut numbers don't you think. Catch them not paying buy a ticket home.
 
Anything they can SEE can and will always be compromised. High tech motion detectors--(something they can't see) they won't even attempt. Democrats did offer that up at the last debt ceiling compromise along with more border patrol stations along the border that could react quickly to an alert, and Trump stuck with his worthless POS wall.
That is not true. They did not offer that as a compromise. Republicans offered it. Democrats want open borders.

And, I am not defending the god-awful GOP either.


No Republicans have to look cross-eyed and stand behind Trump on his wall, even though they're not going to pay for it. It was DEMOCRATS that said hey for a compromise let's put up more border patrol stations and high tech motion detectors and Trump turned them down FLAT. Trump wants his POS worthless wall or NOTHING.

wall.jpg


High tech is the ONLY way to really secure the border. It's time we spend the money and use it.

For a video and stats on this, just click the below link to redirect to the post on this thread.
Please will someone who opposes the building of the "Wall" on the southern border explain why?
 
I was watching talking heads program and the token Democrat said "Democrats are against building the wall".
I shouted at the TV "Ask why are the Democrats against the wall"?

What are the reasons for Democrats opposing the building of the wall?
Americans Oppose Border Walls, Favor Dealing With DACA
GOP 73% favor expanding the wall while 87% of Democrats don't favor.
WHY are Democrats against improving the security of the country?

Now my opinion based on the previous history of National Voter Registration Act of 1993
National Voter Registration Act of 1993 - Wikipedia passed by the MAJORITY of the Democrat party which directly approved illegals secure driver's license to aid in voter registration.
This has been the major reason Democrats have favored "open borders'.. political benefits cloaked in pious supposedly humanitarian reasons.

The sad fact is that while yes I AGREE the vast MAJORITY of ILLEGAL immigrants are not criminals, are not
a threat to me, it is the few that ARE getting in that are smuggling not only drugs BUT these innocent immigrants who don't know better!
That is the fact that the DEMOCRATS are aiding and abetting, i.e. encouraging people to break the law their first steps into America!

How can people then be against building a physical barrier that will reduce the chances for people to break
the law in the first place?
Why are supposedly these "humanitarians" that feel so bad for these "illegals" that they have NO problem ENCOURAGING their breaking the law in the first place?

So you people that OPPOSE improving the security of America i.e. building the "wall" please explain why because it has been proven that the wall would effectively reduce the
... At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens....The Cost of Illegal Immigration to US Taxpayers | FAIR

$135 billion a year... versus a wall that will reduce dramatically drug/human trafficking as well as reducing the number of people requiring this federal/state/local costs.

View attachment 218407
Billions of dollars to build. Billions of dollars to maintain. A ladder beats it quite simply. The lions share of illegals come legaly and over stay Not a good way to spend the money. Oh ya there is also the thopusands of miles of coast line.

A ladder beats it quite simply.

A wall without observers could be defeated.
That's why we would also need cameras and towers with the wall.

A ladder beats these new walls? I don't think so! Special Forces could not get over these walls. They tried!
 
:blahblah:
Build the fucking thing, if it's so damned important to you. Trump has decimated the number of refugees he is admitting to the country during the worst worldwide refugee crisis this planet has ever experienced. Now he wants a 30 foot high wall across our southern border to keep the boogey man out. Sounds like a coward to me.

Why do refugees have to come here? Russia has plenty of room in Siberia.
Most of us are the descendants of refugees...and each successive wave was hated and attacked by the preceding waves...much like you do now

I don't hate refugees. There are other places for them closer to home and not in the US, where they do not mesh with our culture.
 
I thought it was finished!
It's looking pretty good too.
I don't know who built it but it's obvious that no one builds big beautiful walls like him.

TrumpWall6.jpg
I think they left a few gaps there.

Once again you just have to prove you are a complete moron.
You don't see the gaps?
Wow...you'll believe anything Trump tells you!

Those are the prototype panels constructed for testing and evaluation near San Diego. Those are 8 different types on walls, not gaps between them dumbass!

Yes, you are a moron, so shut up and go play with your blocks in your playpen!
 
I don't have a problem with building the wall if another country pays for it. You know, like Trump said and like his idiot followers believed. Go ahead and spend another country's money to pay for something that will have minimal benefit.

Trump saying that Mexico will not only pay for the wall...but that Mexico will be happy to pay for it. LoL.


Trump supporters chanting that Mexico will pay for the wall.


You idiots were swindled.

So once again, I have no problem with Mexico paying for it. I just wasn't stupid enough to believe that was going to happen.
 
I don't have a problem with building the wall if another country pays for it. You know, like Trump said and like his idiot followers believed. Go ahead and spend another country's money to pay for something that will have minimal benefit.

Trump saying that Mexico will not only pay for the wall...but that Mexico will be happy to pay for it. LoL.


Trump supporters chanting that Mexico will pay for the wall.


You idiots were swindled.

So once again, I have no problem with Mexico paying for it. I just wasn't stupid enough to believe that was going to happen.



Mexico will pay for it one way or the other......they won't be able to pawn off their least skilled and least educated off on America to educate and pay healthcare for....and they won't be sending home remittances that will keep this fiat currency in the states. The wall will pay for itself in a couple of years easily.

P.S I don't give a shit on what you might or might not have a "problem" with in the slightest, punkinpuss.
 

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