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And again, I answered your question as to what would have to be done at this point. And yes, at this point our options are limited which means we had best complete a detailed risk analysis. If the cost is high, we may very well need to pay a high price
There are consequences for every decision we make in life. The key is to minimize the negative consequences of those decisions, and look to exploit the positives at all cost.
-Geaux
I actually pointed out the best possible scenario to your "solution". The worst outcome, and a reasonably likely one, would be the end of all life on the planet. Russia still maintains a large enough nuclear arsenal to destroy the planet. A shooting war could spiral out of control very quickly, especially if there are a large amount of deaths.
Not sure how you are factoring this in your "risk analysis".
Russia is a VERY dangerous country.
I see no pullback coming from Putin as Obama gives him no incentive to do so.
-Geaux
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Vladimir Putin wants to regain Finland for Russia, adviser says
Finland has increased border surveillance in recent weeks as Mr Putin moves to protect what belongs to him and his predecessors
After annexing Crimea and with troops massed on the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin will not stop trying to expand Russia until he has conquered Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, one of his closest former advisers has said.
According to Andrej Illarionov, the Presidents chief economic adviser from 2000 to 2005, Mr Putin seeks to create historical justice with a return to the days of the last Tsar, Nicholas II, and the Soviet Union under Stalin.
Speaking to the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Mr Illarionov warned that Russia will argue that the granting of independence to Finland in 1917 was an act of treason against national interests.
Putins view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors, Mr Illarionov said.
Vladimir Putin ?wants to regain Finland? for Russia, adviser says - Europe - World - The Independent
I see no pullback coming from Putin as Obama gives him no incentive to do so.
-Geaux
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Vladimir Putin wants to regain Finland for Russia, adviser says
Finland has increased border surveillance in recent weeks as Mr Putin moves to protect what belongs to him and his predecessors.......
According to Andrej Illarionov, .............
I see no pullback coming from Putin as Obama gives him no incentive to do so.
-Geaux
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Vladimir Putin wants to regain Finland for Russia, adviser says
Finland has increased border surveillance in recent weeks as Mr Putin moves to protect what belongs to him and his predecessors
After annexing Crimea and with troops massed on the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin will not stop trying to expand Russia until he has conquered Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, one of his closest former advisers has said.
According to Andrej Illarionov, the Presidents chief economic adviser from 2000 to 2005, Mr Putin seeks to create historical justice with a return to the days of the last Tsar, Nicholas II, and the Soviet Union under Stalin.
Speaking to the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Mr Illarionov warned that Russia will argue that the granting of independence to Finland in 1917 was an act of treason against national interests.
Putins view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors, Mr Illarionov said.
Vladimir Putin ?wants to regain Finland? for Russia, adviser says - Europe - World - The Independent
Another example of hate and fear by a member of the far right, sans facts, but including another attack on the twice elected President of the United States. The OP's author has become a cliché.
Okay.
Like America, Russia has decided it can invade any country it wants for whatever reason it wants.
That policy was started by the United States.
It's a pretty simple concept.
So?
Now what?
What's your suggestion?
Sallow, assholes like a goforit just can't do "pretty simple concepts". It is beyond their ability to comprehend that we invaded and destroyed a country without cause. That just does not compute with them.
Why, if they acknowledged this fact (invasion without cause) their heads would blow up.
Hey and gofirit, You the war monger here. You finished basic yet? At least signed up? Got your induction date.
As to me gofirit. I am not advocating war. You are. But I am an old guy. I carried a draft card. 1A. You know what a draft card is kid? You know what a "draft" is. And I am not talking baseball draft. Look up when the war in Vietnam was winding down and find out what they did with the draft.
It was the only lottery I ever won. Number 312. (shit I gave away the answer)
The guy is a little snarky but so far he colors in the lines and is generally respectful of other posters.
I wouldn't call him an "asshole".
Not good form.
I see no pullback coming from Putin as Obama gives him no incentive to do so.
-Geaux
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Vladimir Putin ‘wants to regain Finland’ for Russia, adviser says
Finland has increased border surveillance in recent weeks as Mr Putin moves to ‘protect what belongs to him and his predecessors
After annexing Crimea and with troops massed on the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin will not stop trying to expand Russia until he has “conquered” Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, one of his closest former advisers has said.
According to Andrej Illarionov, the President’s chief economic adviser from 2000 to 2005, Mr Putin seeks to create “historical justice” with a return to the days of the last Tsar, Nicholas II, and the Soviet Union under Stalin.
Speaking to the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Mr Illarionov warned that Russia will argue that the granting of independence to Finland in 1917 was an act of “treason against national interests”.
“Putin’s view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors,” Mr Illarionov said.
Vladimir Putin ?wants to regain Finland? for Russia, adviser says - Europe - World - The Independent
Another example of hate and fear by a member of the far right, sans facts, but including another attack on the twice elected President of the United States. The OP's author has become a cliché.
It does give insight into how enormously complex problems can really get mucked up by astonishing simplistic solutions.
George W. Bush and the PNAC folks thought the 9/11 attacks were the result of displaying "weakness" and thought one solution was to make it clear that the United States was no "pushover". Whatever your take on Iraq, one of the unintended consequences were that there are 2 other large countries with very powerful militaries, that were chomping at the bit to use them.
Is that genie out of the bottle? Well yeah. And it's going to be hard to put back into the bottle.
But rushing off on yet another military adventure, without clearly knowing what the cost will be, is ludicrous.
Especially given the cost of the last few.
We are waiting for goforit to get over there and straighten Putin out.
Are you on the way? Signed up yet? Volunteered for service? Completing boot camp. Wtf are you doing about this travesty. Except bitching on a message board.
In case you missed it, I don't give a flying fuck what Putin is doing. When we decided to invade and destroy Iraq without cause, we gave up ALL credibility to bitch at other countries for their aggressive actions. Suck it up and live with it. It's what the rest of the world had to do for us. Including Russia.
Never mind. He's Zeke, toothless stumpbroke of USMB. Alcohol has destroyed whatever remained of his thought processes.We are waiting for goforit to get over there and straighten Putin out.
Are you on the way? Signed up yet? Volunteered for service? Completing boot camp. Wtf are you doing about this travesty. Except bitching on a message board.
In case you missed it, I don't give a flying fuck what Putin is doing. When we decided to invade and destroy Iraq without cause, we gave up ALL credibility to bitch at other countries for their aggressive actions. Suck it up and live with it. It's what the rest of the world had to do for us. Including Russia.
you really can not be THAT stupid..., are you ? please do not answer, you will only confirm my suspicions.
Putin invades Crime-a for enslavement of the people and their country, which he will do to Finland.
the U.S.A. went to Iraq to give freedom to a citizenry who were enslaved by a tyrannical dictator.
got it now ? if not find a Conservative to explain it for you, you should know at least one somewhere.
If I claim that Putin wants to take back East Berlin can I get my 15 minutes too?
I see no pullback coming from Putin as Obama gives him no incentive to do so.
-Geaux
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Vladimir Putin wants to regain Finland for Russia, adviser says
Finland has increased border surveillance in recent weeks as Mr Putin moves to protect what belongs to him and his predecessors
After annexing Crimea and with troops massed on the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin will not stop trying to expand Russia until he has conquered Belarus, the Baltic states and Finland, one of his closest former advisers has said.
According to Andrej Illarionov, the Presidents chief economic adviser from 2000 to 2005, Mr Putin seeks to create historical justice with a return to the days of the last Tsar, Nicholas II, and the Soviet Union under Stalin.
Speaking to the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, Mr Illarionov warned that Russia will argue that the granting of independence to Finland in 1917 was an act of treason against national interests.
Putins view is that he protects what belongs to him and his predecessors, Mr Illarionov said.
Vladimir Putin ?wants to regain Finland? for Russia, adviser says - Europe - World - The Independent
Another example of hate and fear by a member of the far right, sans facts, but including another attack on the twice elected President of the United States. The OP's author has become a cliché.
It does give insight into how enormously complex problems can really get mucked up by astonishing simplistic solutions.
George W. Bush and the PNAC folks thought the 9/11 attacks were the result of displaying "weakness" and thought one solution was to make it clear that the United States was no "pushover". Whatever your take on Iraq, one of the unintended consequences were that there are 2 other large countries with very powerful militaries, that were chomping at the bit to use them.
Is that genie out of the bottle? Well yeah. And it's going to be hard to put back into the bottle.
But rushing off on yet another military adventure, without clearly knowing what the cost will be, is ludicrous.
Especially given the cost of the last few.
Good point. Yet that genie might be already slipping into the bottle as the Republican elites seem to be pushing Jeb Bush as their candidate for the 2016 Presidential Election. Jeb was a signer of the Statement of Principles (1997) issued by the Project for a New American Century which criticized President Clinton for weakness in not taking military action against Iraq. Anyone who reads the PNAC Documents understands that GWB's invasion and occupation of Iraq was in the works well before 9/11/2001.
the original documents of the PNAC have been scrubbed from the Internet but for those interested please see:
Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Some of the infamous who signed this document are well known Neo Conservatives:
For example: Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Scooter Libby, John Bolton, William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz and of course, Jeb Bush.
If I claim that Putin wants to take back East Berlin can I get my 15 minutes too?
If you work for the Russian government and probably had recent conversations with him the answer is yes.
The former advisor hasn't been an advisor since 2005 and lives in Washington DC, working for the libertarian Cato Institute.
He has personal knowledge of Putin's intentions based on what? This sounds like a little bit of fake propaganda.
Never mind. He's Zeke, toothless stumpbroke of USMB. Alcohol has destroyed whatever remained of his thought processes.We are waiting for goforit to get over there and straighten Putin out.
Are you on the way? Signed up yet? Volunteered for service? Completing boot camp. Wtf are you doing about this travesty. Except bitching on a message board.
In case you missed it, I don't give a flying fuck what Putin is doing. When we decided to invade and destroy Iraq without cause, we gave up ALL credibility to bitch at other countries for their aggressive actions. Suck it up and live with it. It's what the rest of the world had to do for us. Including Russia.
you really can not be THAT stupid..., are you ? please do not answer, you will only confirm my suspicions.
Putin invades Crime-a for enslavement of the people and their country, which he will do to Finland.
the U.S.A. went to Iraq to give freedom to a citizenry who were enslaved by a tyrannical dictator.
got it now ? if not find a Conservative to explain it for you, you should know at least one somewhere.
The denial on the Left is insane. The rest of the world understands that Putin has won, that he has been encouraged by Obama's weak response, and that we can expect more trouble from him as a result. Only in some alt universe is Obama doing anything effective.
....... The former advisor hasn't been an advisor since 2005 and lives in Washington DC, working for the libertarian Cato Institute.
He has personal knowledge of Putin's intentions based on what? This sounds like a little bit of fake propaganda.
Let's just be clear that there's nothing libertarian about Illarionov's call for war with Russia, regardless of who he works for.
The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Is Helsinki Burning?
The former advisor hasn't been an advisor since 2005 and lives in Washington DC, working for the libertarian Cato Institute.
He has personal knowledge of Putin's intentions based on what? This sounds like a little bit of fake propaganda.
Let's just be clear that there's nothing libertarian about Illarionov's call for war with Russia, regardless of who he works for.
The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Is Helsinki Burning?
There was nothing in the article about war with Russia. It was just gratuitous Putin bashing to turn public opinion against Russia. Illarionov is clearly not in a position to know anything at all about Putin's intentions toward Finland or anyplace else. He hasn't been in the Russian government for ten years.
