[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

What's the "fair share?"


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This mindless belief that there is "socialism" in the US is one of the fundamental fantacies of the rightwing nuts where every instance of cooperation and commom standards is erroneously thrown in this fantacy. And I have yet to see any actual proof or detailed examples of this "socialism" that they have created as an enemy to fight against.

It takes little effort for them to go outside, walk to the store, and count the number of examples of real "socialism" and real free market. This is an excercise that will go unattempted as it would yield no "socialism" in reality.

They do though regularly use "punishment" in interacting with others. If there is any fundamental source of punishing behavior, it comes from right wing nuts who are their own example.

Government uses compulsion. It doesn't "cooperate." So-called "common standards" are government imposed standards. You are deliberately defining socialism so narrowly that nothing qualifies. That's a classic socialist tactic.

There are two ways to run an economy: private control or government control. The later method is what we call "socialism." As for the rest of your blather, it's meaningless gibberish.

" There are two ways to run an economy: private control or government control. The later method is what we call "socialism."

The difference between the two is whether the means are owned by all of us, or some of us. Almost every country in today's world employs some of each.
 
Then why do they need government to protect their monopoly?

What does the term "natural monopoly" mean to you?

Utility monopolies are protected from competition by the government. It's against the law to setup a competing utility in the same service area. There is no "natural" about it.

What's natural about it is the utter stupidity of allowing multiple companies to erect power poles or run pipes up and down the same street.
 
Prove this entitlement to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When you do, you will find that is a right afforded you by the government by the people.

When did you cede my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness each of which are inherent rights, to the government?

Oh, and you and your kind can stick your due process clause of the 14th amendment up your ass with a red hot poker.

The rest of your post is nothing more than a straw-man argument that we are all slaves to the state and we should be thankful. I reject your reality and insert my own.

Again I ask. Why do you choose to live here? How about a straight answer this time.
 
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Prove this entitlement to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. When you do, you will find that is a right afforded you by the government by the people.

When did you cede my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness each of which are inherent rights, to the government?

Oh, and you and your kind can stick your due process clause of the 14th amendment up your ass with a red hot poker.

They always have been right afforded you by the government. I can prove it. You just don't get it. You can't prove anything to the contrary.

You are also an abusive asshole as demonstrated above. When you don't get what you want, you get all angry because your emotionally stunted.

" You are also an abusive asshole as demonstrated above."

Copy that.
 
When did you cede my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness each of which are inherent rights, to the government?

Oh, and you and your kind can stick your due process clause of the 14th amendment up your ass with a red hot poker.

They always have been right afforded you by the government. I can prove it. You just don't get it. You can't prove anything to the contrary.

You are also an abusive asshole as demonstrated above. When you don't get what you want, you get all angry because your emotionally stunted.

It's sad how few Americans understand their own Constitution. High School civics failed you, my friend.

Truer words were never said.
 
They are protected BECAUSE they are regulated BECAUSE they are natural monopolies.

If I have the only well in a town with no springs or rivers, I have a natural monopoly.

If I am the only one allowed to sell water in a town with a dozen springs and a large river, there is nothing "natural" about the monopoly, it is simply a trust enforced by state.

Keeping utilities under the dominion of government hacks greatly adds to the power of the state. The compelling interest is power. Competition in the market keeps the state from having a boot on the throat of vital commodities such as power and water, thus the state prohibits competition in favor of a single, well connected concern that will unquestioningly do the bidding of the state.

Rather than a "natural monopoly," this is a classical trust, inclusive of contrived shortages to solidify the stranglehold on the captive customer base.

Good news. You can live off grid. Please consider it.
 
They are protected BECAUSE they are regulated BECAUSE they are natural monopolies.

If I have the only well in a town with no springs or rivers, I have a natural monopoly.

If I am the only one allowed to sell water in a town with a dozen springs and a large river, there is nothing "natural" about the monopoly, it is simply a trust enforced by state.

Keeping utilities under the dominion of government hacks greatly adds to the power of the state. The compelling interest is power. Competition in the market keeps the state from having a boot on the throat of vital commodities such as power and water, thus the state prohibits competition in favor of a single, well connected concern that will unquestioningly do the bidding of the state.

Rather than a "natural monopoly," this is a classical trust, inclusive of contrived shortages to solidify the stranglehold on the captive customer base.

Except none of this is actually true.
 
They are protected BECAUSE they are regulated BECAUSE they are natural monopolies.

If I have the only well in a town with no springs or rivers, I have a natural monopoly.

If I am the only one allowed to sell water in a town with a dozen springs and a large river, there is nothing "natural" about the monopoly, it is simply a trust enforced by state.

Keeping utilities under the dominion of government hacks greatly adds to the power of the state. The compelling interest is power. Competition in the market keeps the state from having a boot on the throat of vital commodities such as power and water, thus the state prohibits competition in favor of a single, well connected concern that will unquestioningly do the bidding of the state.

Rather than a "natural monopoly," this is a classical trust, inclusive of contrived shortages to solidify the stranglehold on the captive customer base.

Here is an example of a real utility company.

https://www.smud.org/en/about-smud/company-information/power-sources.htm

None of your fantasy applies.
 
They are protected BECAUSE they are regulated BECAUSE they are natural monopolies.

If I have the only well in a town with no springs or rivers, I have a natural monopoly.

If I am the only one allowed to sell water in a town with a dozen springs and a large river, there is nothing "natural" about the monopoly, it is simply a trust enforced by state.

Keeping utilities under the dominion of government hacks greatly adds to the power of the state. The compelling interest is power. Competition in the market keeps the state from having a boot on the throat of vital commodities such as power and water, thus the state prohibits competition in favor of a single, well connected concern that will unquestioningly do the bidding of the state.

Rather than a "natural monopoly," this is a classical trust, inclusive of contrived shortages to solidify the stranglehold on the captive customer base.

Here is a list of publicly owned utilities.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/sb1/pou_reports/Publicly_Owned_Utility_Company_Programs.pdf

None of your fantasy applies.
 
Here is an example of a real utility company.

https://www.smud.org/en/about-smud/company-information/power-sources.htm

None of your fantasy applies.

That's nice.

In no way supports your fallacy that they are a "natural monopoly."

But then, you always were about blowing smoke, rather than supporting your claims....

Natural monopolies are well established in economics. They are also well established in the history of Supreme Court rulings.

I've backed up everything I have ever posted.

You are just making up your own shit.
 
Here is an example of a real utility company.

https://www.smud.org/en/about-smud/company-information/power-sources.htm

None of your fantasy applies.

That's nice.

In no way supports your fallacy that they are a "natural monopoly."

But then, you always were about blowing smoke, rather than supporting your claims....

Here is another publicly owned utility company. It demonstrates your fantasy to be complete bullshit.

http://siliconvalleypower.com/index.aspx?page=1806
 
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Here is an example of a real utility company.

https://www.smud.org/en/about-smud/company-information/power-sources.htm

None of your fantasy applies.

That's nice.

In no way supports your fallacy that they are a "natural monopoly."

But then, you always were about blowing smoke, rather than supporting your claims....

Natural monopolies are well established in economics. They are also well established in the history of Supreme Court rulings.

I've backed up everything I have ever posted.

You are just making up your own shit.

Which specific "natural monopolies" are you referring to? I read back a ways and I never saw any description more specific than "utilities" which is somewhat vague.

Limited resources, like land, airwave and water management are certainly easier to justify as "natural" monopolies.
 
Here is an example of a real utility company.

https://www.smud.org/en/about-smud/company-information/power-sources.htm

None of your fantasy applies.

That's nice.

In no way supports your fallacy that they are a "natural monopoly."

But then, you always were about blowing smoke, rather than supporting your claims....

Standard Oil Co. of New Jersey v. United States, 221 U.S. 1 (1911), was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States found Standard Oil guilty of monopolizing the petroleum industry through a series of abusive and anticompetitive actions.

Standard Oil Company of New Jersey v. United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Example abound.
 
They are looking for some almighty authority that they can use to get what they want without regard for others. And they have this mistaken co-mingling of the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution

Neither says that government "afforded" us our rights. We have a government to protect our rights, not supply us with them. And we limit government to protect our rights from government. The idea that government provides us with our rights is a complete abomination of the concept our country was founded on. If you ever paid anyone for your education, you should get your money back. With interest.
 
That's nice.

In no way supports your fallacy that they are a "natural monopoly."

But then, you always were about blowing smoke, rather than supporting your claims....

Natural monopolies are well established in economics. They are also well established in the history of Supreme Court rulings.

I've backed up everything I have ever posted.

You are just making up your own shit.

Which specific "natural monopolies" are you referring to? I read back a ways and I never saw any description more specific than "utilities" which is somewhat vague.

Limited resources, like land, airwave and water management are certainly easier to justify as "natural" monopolies.

And here

United States antitrust law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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