Poll: Majority of Democrats and Republicans support Medicare for all

That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
 
That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.
 
They also have waiting lists that are 6 months long for care.

A yes, another myth spread by the insurance lobby


Universal Healthcare Doesn't Mean Waiting Longer to See a Doctor - The Atlantic

mericans are far more likely to experience a "cost-related" access issue or to spend more than $1,000 out of pocket than citizens of other countries.


But what's less talked-about is that we don't actually get better access to medical care for our money. People in many countries that spend far less on healthcare than the U.S. are more likely to say they can usually get a same-day or next-day appointment when they need it, and to say they can get after-hours treatment without going to the ER. This is true for countries that have single-payer systems, like the U.K. (though not Canada), and for many Western European countries that have multi-payer systems like ours.
 
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

No, I think when we get some cost controls in there, you are going to find all sorts of savings.
 
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

No, I think when we get some cost controls in there, you are going to find all sorts of savings.
Wrong, democrats want the hospitals to eat the balances the government doesnt reimburse, pay huge penalties for things they deem over diagnosis and pay huge taxes on top of that. Hospitals can't and won't run on a loss. Not going to happen.
 
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

No, I think when we get some cost controls in there, you are going to find all sorts of savings.

You people never learn, do you?

Since you refuse to look at links, allow me to post the meat and potatoes of what happened last time "government" found all kinds of savings:

As first lady and in charge of the Bill Clinton administration’s health-care reform effort, Hillary accused “greedy” drug companies of exorbitant price increases for vaccines. In 1993, she first proposed nationalizing the vaccine industry. She settled for a Vaccines for Children Program that saw the federal government buy up over half of all available vaccines at government-set prices.

The result? Companies stopped producing and investing in vaccines. The United States started experiencing vaccine shortages.


https://nypost.com/2015/10/18/hillarys-vaccine-price-plan-didnt-work-the-first-time-for-a-reason/

And oh yes, the rest of the article is even better. Too bad you're going to miss out.
 
They also have waiting lists that are 6 months long for care.

A yes, another myth spread by the insurance lobby


Universal Healthcare Doesn't Mean Waiting Longer to See a Doctor - The Atlantic

mericans are far more likely to experience a "cost-related" access issue or to spend more than $1,000 out of pocket than citizens of other countries.


But what's less talked-about is that we don't actually get better access to medical care for our money. People in many countries that spend far less on healthcare than the U.S. are more likely to say they can usually get a same-day or next-day appointment when they need it, and to say they can get after-hours treatment without going to the ER. This is true for countries that have single-payer systems, like the U.K. (though not Canada), and for many Western European countries that have multi-payer systems like ours.

Yes, the commonwealth fund. An organization dedicated to socialist medical care.

Health Care in America: The Commonwealth Fund's Deceptive Research
 
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

No, I think when we get some cost controls in there, you are going to find all sorts of savings.

You people never learn, do you?

Since you refuse to look at links, allow me to post the meat and potatoes of what happened last time "government" found all kinds of savings:

As first lady and in charge of the Bill Clinton administration’s health-care reform effort, Hillary accused “greedy” drug companies of exorbitant price increases for vaccines. In 1993, she first proposed nationalizing the vaccine industry. She settled for a Vaccines for Children Program that saw the federal government buy up over half of all available vaccines at government-set prices.

The result? Companies stopped producing and investing in vaccines. The United States started experiencing vaccine shortages.


https://nypost.com/2015/10/18/hillarys-vaccine-price-plan-didnt-work-the-first-time-for-a-reason/

And oh yes, the rest of the article is even better. Too bad you're going to miss out.
Wasnt that long ago they were rationing flu shots because of a shortage
 
That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
 
That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?
 
Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

I never said it was the biggest problem, I said it was one of the many problems that cause our healthcare prices to be out of control.

And if anybody was being "milked" don't you think the government or private insurance would have addressed that by now?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.

Why not?
 
That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?

Did you bother to ask him why the drug suppliers are raping him?

You know, Google has many answers. Look up what Commie Care did to the price of medical supplies.
 
That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?

Did you bother to ask him why the drug suppliers are raping him?

You know, Google has many answers. Look up what Commie Care did to the price of medical supplies.

Dude...I'm trying to tell you that your "anecdote" is bullshit
 
'A Reuters/Ipsos poll shows 85% of Democrats and 52% of Republicans support Medicare for all.

Why it matters: This single-payer system has divided the Democratic Party internally and gave Republicans a new way to attack Democrats in 2018. But this poll is the first to suggest that a majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle actually like this policy and that it could be a winning issue for candidates.

By the numbers: Two-thirds of Democratic nominees in 41 battleground House districts "want to expand the government’s role in healthcare," per Reuters.

  • At least 70 House Democrats have joined the "Medicare for All" caucus, with more expected after the November midterms.
  • And most House Dems support a Medicare for All bill, which has "six members of the Blue Dog caucus of fiscally conservative Democrats signing on as co-sponsors," Reuters notes.
Be smart: This policy is only going to get more attention as we head into the 2020 presidential election, when it will likely be a litmus test for Democratic candidates.'

Poll: Majority of Democrats and Republicans support Medicare for all

For better or worse - like it or not, sooner or later - it looks like single payer will become a fact of life in America.
Want to see how a single payer system will work hang out at your local VA Hospital I love my 6-8 hour emergency room visits, the 30 day wait to see my primary maybe you can get some Vets to tell you all about how wonderful their health care is. The government doesn't do anything worth a shit.
 
Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?

Did you bother to ask him why the drug suppliers are raping him?

You know, Google has many answers. Look up what Commie Care did to the price of medical supplies.

Dude...I'm trying to tell you that your "anecdote" is bullshit

And yours isn't?

Obamacare’s Latest Critic: Your Pet | TIME.com
 
That is correct, but the reason for that was their population growth. A few years back, it was reported the medical personnel was growing faster than the population. More facilities had to open up, more equipment had to be purchased.

Okay, you tell yourself that buddy. I know you really need to believe the biggest problem in medicine is patients have legal redress for medical malpractice.

Out here in the real world, it's that medical costs are spiralling out of control because they can milk them for everything they've got.

And yet very few Americans leave here and head for Europe because of this utopia you speak of.

So who pays for all this vacation time and healthcare in Europe?

The rich. But the rich pay their fair share over there.

Most people don't leave their homes unless they absolutely have to.
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?

Did you bother to ask him why the drug suppliers are raping him?

You know, Google has many answers. Look up what Commie Care did to the price of medical supplies.
Could be that they were the first to the negotiating table with the democrats. Gave democrats 90 million to set up the ACA and democrats left them alone to do as they pleased. Even though they constantly pay lip service the the " evil big pharma". BS
 
I hear so many talk about Medicare for all and single payer. In the first place they are not the same. But yet no one wants to talk about the real down side of either one is paying for it.

Someone would have to convince Americans to accept 50% income tax. That is 50% whether you make $10.00 or ten million. An almost impossible sell since so many are complaining that they did not get enough of a tax cut or it is not permanent. Then you have cities and states suing because of the tax structure so that they can increase their taxes.

Could it be done for 48% or even 47% instead of 50%? Possibly but since we have not done this before and have no hard data on the true costs it is better to err on the high side and give everyone a tax cut if it turns out that it is too high. To go the other direction means to try and sell a tax increase again or just add to the national debt. Then we would be forced to drop universal healthcare which would be worse then never starting it.

Then we have to consider that you could be looking at a six month wait to see a specialist and a year wait for non life threatening surgery. Add that to the fact we already have a shortage of medical personnel and predicted to become worse.
Then we have to deal with normal government inefficiency, on top of the millions that are scammed from Medicare and Medicaid each year being exponentially worse.

All in all I consider universal healthcare an unobtainable goal by those that are more interested in how it sounds then how it would actually work.
 
Medicare doesn't pay for all your medical expenses. And the ACA is a huge part of why medical care costs so much.

You think the medical industry is going to just eat the cost of the government freebies without raising costs? Dream on.

Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?

Did you bother to ask him why the drug suppliers are raping him?

You know, Google has many answers. Look up what Commie Care did to the price of medical supplies.

Dude...I'm trying to tell you that your "anecdote" is bullshit

And yours isn't?

Obamacare’s Latest Critic: Your Pet | TIME.com
You miss the point.

Being anonymous anecdotes on the internet they are both useless bullshit
 
I hear so many talk about Medicare for all and single payer. In the first place they are not the same. But yet no one wants to talk about the real down side of either one is paying for it.

Someone would have to convince Americans to accept 50% income tax. That is 50% whether you make $10.00 or ten million. An almost impossible sell since so many are complaining that they did not get enough of a tax cut or it is not permanent. Then you have cities and states suing because of the tax structure so that they can increase their taxes.

Could it be done for 48% or even 47% instead of 50%? Possibly but since we have not done this before and have no hard data on the true costs it is better to err on the high side and give everyone a tax cut if it turns out that it is too high. To go the other direction means to try and sell a tax increase again or just add to the national debt. Then we would be forced to drop universal healthcare which would be worse then never starting it.

Then we have to consider that you could be looking at a six month wait to see a specialist and a year wait for non life threatening surgery. Add that to the fact we already have a shortage of medical personnel and predicted to become worse.
Then we have to deal with normal government inefficiency, on top of the millions that are scammed from Medicare and Medicaid each year being exponentially worse.

All in all I consider universal healthcare an unobtainable goal by those that are more interested in how it sounds then how it would actually work.

There is only one way to defeat this notion of government healthcare, and that is to tax everybody evenly.

Let's say we on the right agreed to government healthcare by paying for it with a consumption tax; 20 cents on the dollar for every dollar you spend, rich, poor, anything in between.

You'd see how fast people would reject it. Why? Because they would be paying for it instead of somebody else.

What the left wants is free healthcare services to them, but not pay for it. Tax the rich as they say, even though the rich could never support Medicare for All no matter how much you tax them.

Then there is the fact that nearly half of the people in this country don't pay any income tax at all. Maybe it's time they start.

If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objection. If you tell me I can get something at no cost to me, I'll take all you want to give. It's human nature.
 
Several years ago when I went to my dentist, I was shocked at the price increases. My dentist and I are kind of like friends. I can talk to him about anything. So I brought up his prices.

He laid the entire blame on Commie Care. According to him, the cost of his medical supplies went up so much, he had no choice but to pass the cost onto his patients, and more indirectly, our dental insurance companies. I know his politics, he's far from a righty.

People with pets are finding themselves with huge vet bills as well. Veterinarians are also hit with all these new price increases to treat animals. People with pets have to pay these costs or lose their loving pet by having it put down.

It's a shame really........
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.

Who should we believe?

Did you bother to ask him why the drug suppliers are raping him?

You know, Google has many answers. Look up what Commie Care did to the price of medical supplies.

Dude...I'm trying to tell you that your "anecdote" is bullshit

And yours isn't?

Obamacare’s Latest Critic: Your Pet | TIME.com
You miss the point.

Being anonymous anecdotes on the internet they are both useless bullshit

Unless it's your anonymous anecdotes, right?

That's why I provide a link, to show you it's not anecdotal. It's real.
 

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