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I posted a really good article describing why our healthcare is so expansive and ways to make Medicare for all to work.Nope...not even thenYou miss the point.
Being anonymous anecdotes on the internet they are both useless bullshit
Unless it's your anonymous anecdotes, right?
That's why I provide a link, to show you it's not anecdotal. It's real.
Typical lib. Never try to learn anything new.
Did you "try to learn anything new" by reading it?
Look in the mirror dude
You are so FOS. Every single Republican voted against Commie Care, and it passed with unified Democrat votes. So don't say they couldn't have gotten "anything better" because of Republicans. And the very idea that Commie Care wasn't bad is an admission to blind ignorance.
What's bullshit is this article. It doesn't go into explanation of costs.
Reading apparently isn't your friend then. I suggest you get someone to read it to you .
Look at the times between my posts dummy. I did read it. It was rather lengthy and I wanted to take my time to understand what I was reading unlike you on the left who see a link and respond immediately even though you never bothered to read it.
You are so FOS. Every single Republican voted against Commie Care, and it passed with unified Democrat votes. So don't say they couldn't have gotten "anything better" because of Republicans. And the very idea that Commie Care wasn't bad is an admission to blind ignorance.
You clearly do have reading problems.
I very specifically said because of Republican obstruction (which you note yourself) AND the obstruction of conservadems like Joe friggin Lieberman...the ACA was the best we could get.
Lieberman by the way single handedly killed the public option
Lieberman was an Independent--not a Republican. Get your information straight.
Lieberman was an Independent--not a Republican. Get your information straight.
I get it now. You really CAN'T read well...
I never said Lieberman was a Republican
Wow...just wow
I very specifically said because of Republican obstruction (which you note yourself) AND the obstruction of conservadems like Joe friggin Lieberman...the ACA was the best we could get.
You can keep your single payer, Leave the rest of us out of it. It does not require our participationYou are so FOS. Every single Republican voted against Commie Care, and it passed with unified Democrat votes. So don't say they couldn't have gotten "anything better" because of Republicans. And the very idea that Commie Care wasn't bad is an admission to blind ignorance.
You clearly do have reading problems.
I very specifically said because of Republican obstruction (which you note yourself) AND the obstruction of conservadems like Joe friggin Lieberman...the ACA was the best we could get.
Lieberman by the way single handedly killed the public option
What where the plans? Where are they?The problem for the GOP is that it completely whiffed.There are all kinds of tweaks that can be made. One would be a whole new cottage industry of entry-level preventive and diagnostic walk-in clinics.And all the hospitals and clinics would go bankrupt because Medicare refuses to pay for anything and reimbursements are pennies..
Uh, guy, most countries with single payer spend 8% of their GDP on health care and get better results than we do paying 17% of our GDP on it.
Medicare for all would save us money, as it would remove things like investor payouts and CEO salaries and marketing expenses.
We would definitely have to increase and re-construct reimbursement schedules.
We just have to THINK a little bit. But that appears to be a lost art.
So here comes real Single Payer.
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Single payer would be just like Commie Care. It never addressed the problems of cost.
If we are to make any change, we can't do it the Democrat way and say "Here, somebody else pay for it."
The first step is to analyze how costs got so out of control in the first place, make a list of them, then execute each problem one at a time.
Now, this would take some guts to actually call problems, problems, particularly on the Democrat side which caused most of them. So until we can get to that point, everything else is fruitless.
We were told for eight years that the GOP had a better plan. Turns out that was a lie.
So if we end up with Single Payer, the GOP will have paved the way.
They can't blame the Democrats for that.
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They had much better plans. The problem was that the various plans were much better than Obamacare but could not gather enough Republican support for one plan to ram it through Congress like the Dimocrats did. There were enough people who disagreed with each version proposed that no plan could get enough support. If the Dims wanted to do something they could have sided with any one of the plans, but refused, because that left the whole plan in limbo, just where they wanted it!
Can't you answer the question?Huh?Because fucking John McCain killed the bill in the Senate, the only obstacle to passing a new healthcare law.Ah, that one.simply need to push for deregulation, let ins co's compete across borders.
The GOP told us for EIGHT YEARS that they had a better plan. They laughed at those of us who questioned it. Then, when they had all the power, they couldn't do it.
They know that deregulation and competing across borders wouldn't come close to fixing this, and they ran scared.
You folks brought this on yourself. Here it comes, you'll be responsible for it.
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And what was this new healthcare law, precisely?
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Stop playing stupid! You do it too well!
You people never learn, do you?
Since you refuse to look at links, allow me to post the meat and potatoes of what happened last time "government" found all kinds of savings:
Gee...my dentist said the opposite. He said the drug suppliers were raping us.
Who should we believe?
And if anybody was being "milked" don't you think the government or private insurance would have addressed that by now?
What they were honest about is the cost of malpractice insurance and how it affects the cost of healthcare. It was also honest about how much our physicians make compared to the rest of the world. You get what you pay for.
Because of what our physicians make, we attract the best from around the world. Trust me, I'm a patient at the world renown Cleveland Clinic. When you go to their downtown main campus, you are the one that feels like the foreigner.
While I agree with your thoughts there is no way that Medicare for all and especially single payer could be payed for by someone else. A conservative estimate was 3.2 Trillion a year for Medicare for all. Single payer would be even higher. That is equal to every penny taken in by taxes last year.I hear so many talk about Medicare for all and single payer. In the first place they are not the same. But yet no one wants to talk about the real down side of either one is paying for it.
Someone would have to convince Americans to accept 50% income tax. That is 50% whether you make $10.00 or ten million. An almost impossible sell since so many are complaining that they did not get enough of a tax cut or it is not permanent. Then you have cities and states suing because of the tax structure so that they can increase their taxes.
Could it be done for 48% or even 47% instead of 50%? Possibly but since we have not done this before and have no hard data on the true costs it is better to err on the high side and give everyone a tax cut if it turns out that it is too high. To go the other direction means to try and sell a tax increase again or just add to the national debt. Then we would be forced to drop universal healthcare which would be worse then never starting it.
Then we have to consider that you could be looking at a six month wait to see a specialist and a year wait for non life threatening surgery. Add that to the fact we already have a shortage of medical personnel and predicted to become worse.
Then we have to deal with normal government inefficiency, on top of the millions that are scammed from Medicare and Medicaid each year being exponentially worse.
All in all I consider universal healthcare an unobtainable goal by those that are more interested in how it sounds then how it would actually work.
There is only one way to defeat this notion of government healthcare, and that is to tax everybody evenly.
Let's say we on the right agreed to government healthcare by paying for it with a consumption tax; 20 cents on the dollar for every dollar you spend, rich, poor, anything in between.
You'd see how fast people would reject it. Why? Because they would be paying for it instead of somebody else.
What the left wants is free healthcare services to them, but not pay for it. Tax the rich as they say, even though the rich could never support Medicare for All no matter how much you tax them.
Then there is the fact that nearly half of the people in this country don't pay any income tax at all. Maybe it's time they start.
If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objection. If you tell me I can get something at no cost to me, I'll take all you want to give. It's human nature.
While I agree with your thoughts there is no way that Medicare for all and especially single payer could be payed for by someone else. A conservative estimate was 3.2 Trillion a year for Medicare for all. Single payer would be even higher. That is equal to every penny taken in by taxes last year.I hear so many talk about Medicare for all and single payer. In the first place they are not the same. But yet no one wants to talk about the real down side of either one is paying for it.
Someone would have to convince Americans to accept 50% income tax. That is 50% whether you make $10.00 or ten million. An almost impossible sell since so many are complaining that they did not get enough of a tax cut or it is not permanent. Then you have cities and states suing because of the tax structure so that they can increase their taxes.
Could it be done for 48% or even 47% instead of 50%? Possibly but since we have not done this before and have no hard data on the true costs it is better to err on the high side and give everyone a tax cut if it turns out that it is too high. To go the other direction means to try and sell a tax increase again or just add to the national debt. Then we would be forced to drop universal healthcare which would be worse then never starting it.
Then we have to consider that you could be looking at a six month wait to see a specialist and a year wait for non life threatening surgery. Add that to the fact we already have a shortage of medical personnel and predicted to become worse.
Then we have to deal with normal government inefficiency, on top of the millions that are scammed from Medicare and Medicaid each year being exponentially worse.
All in all I consider universal healthcare an unobtainable goal by those that are more interested in how it sounds then how it would actually work.
There is only one way to defeat this notion of government healthcare, and that is to tax everybody evenly.
Let's say we on the right agreed to government healthcare by paying for it with a consumption tax; 20 cents on the dollar for every dollar you spend, rich, poor, anything in between.
You'd see how fast people would reject it. Why? Because they would be paying for it instead of somebody else.
What the left wants is free healthcare services to them, but not pay for it. Tax the rich as they say, even though the rich could never support Medicare for All no matter how much you tax them.
Then there is the fact that nearly half of the people in this country don't pay any income tax at all. Maybe it's time they start.
If you rob Peter to pay Paul, the Paul's of your society generally have no objection. If you tell me I can get something at no cost to me, I'll take all you want to give. It's human nature.
Some have been the mistaken idea that they should get things for free but they do not realize that nothing is free.
