Post your ideas on border security

[Votto]

Here are a few of my ideas other than a wall.

1. Move military bases to the border. Just having them there creates barriers and the desert is a perfect environment to train soldiers for future wars. Then there would be no need to EVER move troops down there again for any reason cuz they already are there.

2. Drones. Not only should drones watch the border 24/7, like the NSA watches law abiding American citizens, perhaps, just perhaps, instead of sending out drones to target terrorists abroad they would send them to take out drug lords who kill about 300 Americans every day. After all, what terrorist murders 300 Americans every day?

3. Ports of entry need to be monitored. According to the government, most of the drugs make it through ports of entry. First of all, how do they know this? Do they see the drugs come through and do nothing or do they just assume it does and do nothing? Either way, they are to blame for this epidemic for doing NOTHING!

My guess is though, it's just a lie to be an argument for not building a wall, a wall that helps solve other issues as well, such as human trafficking and mass illegal immigration that is crushing the entitlement system in the US.

Make no mistake, Mexico is at war with the US. More US citizens die from drugs coming over every year than those who died in Vietnam. The only question becomes, when will the US wake up and fight back? Are US politicians in the back pockets of the drug cartels like they are in Mexico and Central America?

 

[TNHarley]

Cut off all incentive. Free healthcare and schooling come to mind
Mandatory e verify
Repeal and replace the anchor baby amendment to the Constitution.

 

[Votto]

Cut off all incentive. Free healthcare and schooling come to mind
Mandatory e verify
Repeal and replace the anchor baby amendment to the Constitution.

Well that will NEVER happen.

In fact, once they walk across the border and are detained, they just catch and release them, so why even bother catching them?

That is why the wall is needed.

 

[NightFox]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

 

[Votto]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war. To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

 

[shockedcanadian]

Nothing will work when you have a Welfare State that allows people to stay. You haven't enforced illegal immigration so it's festered.

Build a wall. It's effective in places it's built now and the Border Patrol say it works and want it. I say, support those who know, not politicians looking for votes.

Cut off welfare if you are an illegal immigrant.

Cut off all supports, and make it a felony, or, betrayal of your duties subject to being fired, to provide supports (that aren't healthcare and life and death) if you give taxpayer resources to illegal immigrants.

Hire more patrol officers and technology, above and beyond a wall.

Without question, a wall is the single easiest, most cost effective answer. Which is why some don't want it, they need these future voters. It's insulting to expose American citizens to this for them to fend for themselves. It's a tragedy.

 

[blackhawk]

Combination of wall, electronic survillance at the border and increased manpower there.

 

[OldLady]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war. To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

The majority of drugs come through customs/legal ports of entry. A physical barrier will stop humans from getting across, until they figure out another way. I sure hope they don't think of boats, because if the border is an issue, holy crow the coast would be 20x worse.
Meth, cocaine, heroin: Most gets smuggled through ports of entry. A wall won't stop it.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war. To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

The majority of drugs come through customs/legal ports of entry. A physical barrier will stop humans from getting across, until they figure out another way. I sure hope they don't think of boats, because if the border is an issue, holy crow the coast would be 20x worse.
Meth, cocaine, heroin: Most gets smuggled through ports of entry. A wall won't stop it.

Good. The Coast Guards have a much easier task catching and finding a boat than hundreds of miles of coverage in the dark where it takes an hour to catch Coyotes once you find out where they are.

 

[gtopa1]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war. To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

The majority of drugs come through customs/legal ports of entry. A physical barrier will stop humans from getting across, until they figure out another way. I sure hope they don't think of boats, because if the border is an issue, holy crow the coast would be 20x worse.
Meth, cocaine, heroin: Most gets smuggled through ports of entry. A wall won't stop it.

Won't stop it ALL but it'll make a significant dent in the supply networks. And how much is getting through that isn't known?


Greg

 

[Votto]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war. To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

The majority of drugs come through customs/legal ports of entry. A physical barrier will stop humans from getting across, until they figure out another way. I sure hope they don't think of boats, because if the border is an issue, holy crow the coast would be 20x worse.
Meth, cocaine, heroin: Most gets smuggled through ports of entry. A wall won't stop it.

Yes, when in a war the enemy finds clever ways to get around your defenses.

What, just lower the defenses or stop trying to fight?

Really?

 

[Indeependent]

Invade Mexico one Drug Producing city at a time.

 

[shockedcanadian]

What blows me away is how afraid the Democrat leaders are of the far left socialists. These same politicians supported border walls and strong, unyielding security in the past. So they either see future vote at the cost of Americas economy and security, or, they really fear looking "weak".

They are essentially fighting on Trumps Hill, the hill he won on during the 2016 elections. Independents and moderates KNOW that a wall is needed. Only the most naive believe some drones and a few extra jeeps is going to improve your border.

This is a National Security Emergency in my opinion. In fact, outside of dealing with China, there's nothing so pressing and dangerous to U.S sovereignty. The ironic fact is, before the 2016 election campaign, as a Canadian I knew NOTHING of your illegal immigration problem. It was the outrage by so many posters on various forums that opened my eyes. They were really in his corner regarding immigration and the wall (whereas my focus was on the economy).

 

[NightFox]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war.

You're right the US IS at War, our government and much of our population is in a savage war against reason and common sense, that's why the problem has continued to get more pervasive and costly.

To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

Well I'll give you credit for coming up with a completely ludicrous analogy.

We have thousands of miles of land across multiple countries and an ocean between Columbia and the United States, how effective was that in keeping cocaine out of the United States market? How about the importation of heroin from Asia across oceans, would a border wall be more or less imposing than that? We put up barriers (human and electronic enforcement) and guess what? Human ingenuity found away around those barriers, what makes you think it won't find a way around a "wall" when the potential reward is $34 billion annually?

When the risks outweigh the rewards then the flow of drugs will decrease and the fastest way to accomplish that is to reduce the reward by eliminating the black market and focusing on prevention (aka demand reduction).

 

[my2¢]

Support the 2nd amendment for sake of those feeling threatened.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Need a tall, solid, manned wall the length of both borders!

I like the idea of sporadic military bases along the borders as well.

 

[Moonglow]

Cut off all incentive. Free healthcare and schooling come to mind
Mandatory e verify
Repeal and replace the anchor baby amendment to the Constitution.

Well that will NEVER happen.

In fact, once they walk across the border and are detained, they just catch and release them, so why even bother catching them?

That is why the wall is needed.

Not always true since the law provides relief by allowing deportation within fifteen days of entering illegally. But even Trump is playing catch and release and no border wall will stop it.

 

[anynameyouwish]

Here are a few of my ideas other than a wall.

1. Move military bases to the border. Just having them there creates barriers and the desert is a perfect environment to train soldiers for future wars. Then there would be no need to EVER move troops down there again for any reason cuz they already are there.

2. Drones. Not only should drones watch the border 24/7, like the NSA watches law abiding American citizens, perhaps, just perhaps, instead of sending out drones to target terrorists abroad they would send them to take out drug lords who kill about 300 Americans every day. After all, what terrorist murders 300 Americans every day?

3. Ports of entry need to be monitored. According to the government, most of the drugs make it through ports of entry. First of all, how do they know this? Do they see the drugs come through and do nothing or do they just assume it does and do nothing? Either way, they are to blame for this epidemic for doing NOTHING!

My guess is though, it's just a lie to be an argument for not building a wall, a wall that helps solve other issues as well, such as human trafficking and mass illegal immigration that is crushing the entitlement system in the US.

Make no mistake, Mexico is at war with the US. More US citizens die from drugs coming over every year than those who died in Vietnam. The only question becomes, when will the US wake up and fight back? Are US politicians in the back pockets of the drug cartels like they are in Mexico and Central America?

OFFICIALLY declare the US a conservative christian nation and start rounding up EVERYONE who isn't a white conservative christian. Become WORSE than nazi germany or communist russia. Then NOBODY will even WANT TO come here (except nazis from europe).

That should do the trick.

 

[Moonglow]

Need a tall, solid, manned wall the length of both borders!

I like the idea of sporadic military bases along the borders as well.

There already is...

 

[OldLady]

Human beings act based on incentives and internal value calculation (i.e. is doing X worth more than not doing X or doing Y instead).

If you don't want illegal immigration reduce or remove the barriers to legal immigration while at the same time removing the incentives for the illegal variety.

If you don't want black market importation of drugs (or anything else), then don't create a black market in the first place.

Putting up walls and other physical barriers just provides incentives to circumnavigate those barriers, since coming up with systems to do so becomes more lucrative if the incentives to doing so are worthwhile.

The US is at war. To say that the wall will not stop drug coming across is like saying during a war, why put the mine field there or the tank barricades there cuz they will come anyway?

The majority of drugs come through customs/legal ports of entry. A physical barrier will stop humans from getting across, until they figure out another way. I sure hope they don't think of boats, because if the border is an issue, holy crow the coast would be 20x worse.
Meth, cocaine, heroin: Most gets smuggled through ports of entry. A wall won't stop it.

Good. The Coast Guards have a much easier task catching and finding a boat than hundreds of miles of coverage in the dark where it takes an hour to catch Coyotes once you find out where they are.

I live on the Maine coast, right up by Canada. You don't know what you're talking about.