President Trump BOLDLY walked up St. John's Church with a Bible in his hand.

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

 

[pknopp]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

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A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

Trump has been doing all the cutting, and cancer hates that, so it attempts to spread in quick stages in order to take down it's host.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

I dont support late term abortions unless the life of the mother is at risk. I’m sure you’d consider me one of those libtards that supports destructive anti American policies. So would you care to try another?

 

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Meanwhile Biden was locked in his basement, not sure if it was by his choice or the DNC's

Maybe if you watch or read other news media instead of just Fox (faux) News you might learn something new.

Biden showed leadership that can lead this country out from disastrous and discombobulated administration.

Biden meets privately Monday with George Floyd's family before funeral

Joe Biden met privately Monday with the family of George Floyd, whose death led to nationwide protests for racial justice.

amp.usatoday.com

Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee to challenge President Donald Trump in November, met privately Monday for more than an hour with the family of George Floyd, whose death in police custody led to nationwide protests.

 

[charwin95]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

Trump has been doing all the cutting, and cancer hates that, so it attempts to spread in quick stages in order to take down it's host.

Show us a proof of Trump cutting and cancer hates. Link..

Donnie is the cancer inciting violence against Americans.


Just one example......Those white NAZIs trying to liberate Michigan and Virginia didn’t just showed up there till they heard from this bad president. They came armed with NAZIs flag and Trump/Pence banner.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

I only hope Trump didn’t educate you about LATE TERM ABORTION. This is Trump definition of LTA.



Before judging 'late-term abortion,' understand what it means, doctors say


CNN)At a rally in late April, President Donald Trump resurfaced a false claim when he accused Wisconsin's Democratic governor of giving mothers and doctors the freedom to "execute" babies.

"The baby is born," he said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."

Trump's contention that babies can be killed after birth is one he referenced in his State of the Union address earlier this year, when he called on Congress "to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children." He said this right after he first accused New York lawmakers of cheering for "legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth" and then said Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam "would execute a baby after birth."
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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

I only hope Trump didn’t educate you about LATE TERM ABORTION. This is Trump definition of LTA.



Before judging 'late-term abortion,' understand what it means, doctors say


CNN)At a rally in late April, President Donald Trump resurfaced a false claim when he accused Wisconsin's Democratic governor of giving mothers and doctors the freedom to "execute" babies.

"The baby is born," he said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."

Trump's contention that babies can be killed after birth is one he referenced in his State of the Union address earlier this year, when he called on Congress "to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children." He said this right after he first accused New York lawmakers of cheering for "legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth" and then said Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam "would execute a baby after birth."
.

That wasn't concerning Late Term Abortions. That was describing whether or not a baby that survived an abortion would be taken care of or allowed to die.

 

[beagle9]

Meanwhile Biden was locked in his basement, not sure if it was by his choice or the DNC's

Maybe if you watch or read other news media instead of just Fox (faux) News you might learn something new.

Biden showed leadership that can lead this country out from disastrous and discombobulated administration.

Biden meets privately Monday with George Floyd's family before funeral

Joe Biden met privately Monday with the family of George Floyd, whose death led to nationwide protests for racial justice.

amp.usatoday.com

Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic nominee to challenge President Donald Trump in November, met privately Monday for more than an hour with the family of George Floyd, whose death in police custody led to nationwide protests.

Biden is a race baiting POCrap, and it should have been an appalling situation for the floyd family to have to endure by having such an opportunist in their midst, therefore using the situation for political reason's. You can't be this dumb can you ??

 

[Care4all]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

sorry - but i don't buy that line of bullshit. you believe antifa was involved this time around despite all indications they weren't. just like donny. & you agreed with another poster re: the notion that old man is an 'antifa provocateur' just like donny. he doubled down & apparently you are following suit. will it be a triple play on yer chosen ones' part as well? how about you; will you still CONtinue to be the poorly educated deplorable trump loves long time & totally dismiss the facts & start yer own pablum spew about the deep state coup against president dotard?


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
Ryan Lucas

U.S. Attorney General William Barr has repeatedly blamed anti-fascist activists for the violence that has erupted during demonstrations over George Floyd's death, but federal court records show no sign of so-called antifa links so far in cases brought by the Justice Department.

NPR has reviewed court documents of 51 individuals facing federal charges in connection with the unrest. As of Tuesday morning, none is alleged to have links to the antifa movement.
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

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June 10, 2020 / 1:46 AM / in a day
Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence

Sarah N. Lynch, Mark Hosenball, Mica Rosenberg, Brad Heath
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WASHINGTON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department moved swiftly to bring federal charges against 53 individuals accused of violence during nationwide protests that swept across the United States calling for an end to police brutality.
Attorney General William Barr promised a crackdown on members of the anti-fascist movement known as antifa and other “extremists” he blamed for helping to drive the violence.
But a Reuters examination of federal court records related to the charges, social media posts by some of the suspects and interviews with defense lawyers and prosecutors found mostly disorganized acts of violence by people who have few obvious connections to antifa or other left-wing groups.
Little evidence of antifa links in U.S. prosecutions of those charged in protest violence


Federal Arrests Show No Sign that Antifa Plotted Protests
Despite claims by President Trump and Attorney General William P. Barr, there is scant evidence that loosely organized anti-fascists are a significant player in protests.
June 11, 2020Updated 11:53 a.m. ET
[...]

But despite cries from President Trump and others in his administration, none of those charged with serious federal crimes amid the unrest have been linked so far to the loose collective of anti-fascist activists known as antifa.
A review of the arrests of dozens of people on federal charges reveals no known effort by antifa to perpetrate a coordinated campaign of violence. Some criminal complaints described vague, anti-government political leanings among suspects, but the majority of the violent acts that have taken place at protests have been attributed by federal prosecutors to individuals with no affiliation to any particular group.
Federal Arrests Show No Sign that Antifa Plotted Protests

A lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack. You need to calm down and try to make your points, more clearly, with less raving.

uh-huh. you keep spinning it. court records say otherwise & evidence that has been gathered are pointing to rw nutter groups such as the boogaloo boys.

try googling them & 'nevada'. that's a start in the right direction as to where it's coming from.

not a 75 year old peacenick holding nothing but a cell phone

Not just las Vegas, boogaloos caused the problems in Pennsylvania too...

 

[Care4all]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

www.britannica.com

Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

View attachment 348906

A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

View attachment 348714

Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

I only hope Trump didn’t educate you about LATE TERM ABORTION. This is Trump definition of LTA.



Before judging 'late-term abortion,' understand what it means, doctors say


CNN)At a rally in late April, President Donald Trump resurfaced a false claim when he accused Wisconsin's Democratic governor of giving mothers and doctors the freedom to "execute" babies.

"The baby is born," he said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."

Trump's contention that babies can be killed after birth is one he referenced in his State of the Union address earlier this year, when he called on Congress "to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children." He said this right after he first accused New York lawmakers of cheering for "legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth" and then said Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam "would execute a baby after birth."
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That wasn't concerning Late Term Abortions. That was describing whether or not a baby that survived an abortion would be taken care of or allowed to die.

The law has always been to attempt to save a breathing baby, even if a baby from a late term abortion, when born alive.

 

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You're offended by the idea of consensual sex between a man and a woman?


Weird.

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Nice.

I had the dope on ignore for about a year or so. I just did my semi-annual ignore amnesty and he's gotten only dumber in the mean time.

 

[candycorn]

Boy did that stunt ever backfire!

It may end up being his Dukakis-in-a-tank moment. I liked the "oh shit" look that Facist Barbie had on her face standing next to the blob.

Can you imagine Reagan doing anything close to that?

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

I only hope Trump didn’t educate you about LATE TERM ABORTION. This is Trump definition of LTA.



Before judging 'late-term abortion,' understand what it means, doctors say


CNN)At a rally in late April, President Donald Trump resurfaced a false claim when he accused Wisconsin's Democratic governor of giving mothers and doctors the freedom to "execute" babies.

"The baby is born," he said. "The mother meets with the doctor. They take care of the baby. They wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby."

Trump's contention that babies can be killed after birth is one he referenced in his State of the Union address earlier this year, when he called on Congress "to pass legislation to prohibit the late-term abortion of children." He said this right after he first accused New York lawmakers of cheering for "legislation that would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth" and then said Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam "would execute a baby after birth."
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That wasn't concerning Late Term Abortions. That was describing whether or not a baby that survived an abortion would be taken care of or allowed to die.

The law has always been to attempt to save a breathing baby, even if a baby from a late term abortion, when born alive.

I don't disagree, I was just noting.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.

nobody said it'll be overnight, jr.

but people are sick & tired of all the ' winning '.

trump is the cancer & yep - it sure has spread & rotting the nation from the inside out. but it can be cut out; & can become healthy again. the biggest question remains:

will the rest of the civilized world ever welcome us back?

The "civilized world" has been growing tired of us for a long time now.

Yep, because we have allowed leftism to drive us into becoming uncivilized.

Which leftist policies have caused us to be uncivilized and how so?

You don't need me to tell you that, besides everybody knows these word games that are played now. But I will give you one - Late term abortions (woman's choice right) ?? Many more.

I dont support late term abortions unless the life of the mother is at risk. I’m sure you’d consider me one of those libtards that supports destructive anti American policies. So would you care to try another?

 

[DrLove]

Boy did that stunt ever backfire!

It may end up being his Dukakis-in-a-tank moment. I liked the "oh shit" look that Facist Barbie had on her face standing next to the blob.

Can you imagine Reagan doing anything close to that?

Fascist Barbie? That's perfect! But the term applies to pretty much ever Fox News lady Donnie has ever hired. Kellyanne is another Fascist Barbie.

As for Dukakis in a tank, hell it was WAY worse than that!

Michael Dukakis rips ‘draft-dodger’ Trump after tank photo joke

President Trump’s joke about Michael Dukakis tanked with the former Democratic presidential nominee. Dukakis, who ran against George H.W. Bush, wasn’t happy about Trump mocking him for …

nypost.com

Remember Donnie tooting the truck horn? That was worse too!

 

[Correll]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

You as do so many others only see this as politics. That is sad. My point stands.

Dude. This thread is all about attacking Trump for political reasons.

The pretense is that whites and/or the GOP is the party of wacism, and that they have to be fought.

THer are no republicans on teh city council of Minneapolis. It is all dems expect for one Green.


So, you got you progressive city there. THey have had decades to turn the city and the policie force into a progressive utopia and instead they are the source of this round of race riots.


The more hate you put out, the more hate there is out there. You should really think about that.

I'm not here to defend politicians. I'm here to defend people.

Yet, I brought up how people are being destroyed for no reason, and you seemed fine with it.


SOme people worth losing? For "progress"?

No, I disagreed that there was no reason.

People are losing their jobs for insensitive language from tweets YEARS ago.

The stated "Reasons" are bullshit. THe real reason is to demonstrate the power of the Left nad to silence all dissent with Fear.


And you support this? Incredible.