President Trump BOLDLY walked up St. John's Church with a Bible in his hand.

[beagle9]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

It will be silly if we are still wearing masks come fall.


It will be interesting to see the results of all the protestors and rioters not social distancing. If there is any.

numbers of people infected & hospitalised are spiking now, because of memorial day hayseeds not wearing masks & ignoring the 6 ft distancing.

in a couple weeks - the numbers will be going up again because of the protests & then there will be another spike after july 4th; it's probably gonna get real bad again. i hope i am wrong - but why is the chosen ones' campaign in tulsa hosting the rally asking that attendees sign a waiver if they wanna attend?

Trump campaign asks supporters to waive COVID-19 liability to attend Tulsa rally
Surgeon general still urges keeping distance from strangers
Supporters asked to waive COVID-19 liability to attend Trump rally in Tulsa

IF the increase in cases, does not exceed the number of ventilators, then it is all good.


That was the goal of "flattening the curve". Do you remember that?

um - not when there are still shortages in PPE. & the spike in numbers means more hospitalizations which inevitably means more death. that's not at all good. the curve is starting to rise in many places because people are still too stupid & spoiled.

& why is donny having people sign waivers for his rally?


Alarming rise in virus cases as states roll back lockdowns

NEW YORK (AP) — States are rolling back lockdowns, but the coronavirus isn’t done with the U.S.

Cases are rising in nearly half the states, according to an Associated Press analysis, a worrying trend that could intensify as people return to work and venture out during the summer.

In Arizona, hospitals have been told to prepare for the worst. Texas has more hospitalized COVID-19 patients than at any time before. And the governor of North Carolina said recent jumps caused him to rethink plans to reopen schools or businesses.

There is no single reason for the surges. In some cases, more testing has revealed more cases. In others, local outbreaks are big enough to push statewide tallies higher. But experts think at least some are due to lifting stay-at-home orders, school and business closures, and other restrictions put in place during the spring to stem the virus’s spread.
Alarming rise in virus cases as states roll back lockdowns

"But experts thing that at least some are due to "

Wow. That is some seriously weak shit.

Record high 1,654 new cases reported on Friday as state reassures public about hospital capacity
Record high 1,654 new cases reported on Friday as state reassures public about hospital capacity


Texas Reports Record-Breaking COVID-19 Hospitalizations As State Reopen
June 8, 202010:27 PM ET
Texas Reports Record-Breaking COVID-19 Hospitalizations As State Reopens

CDC expects COVID-19 deaths to jump in six states — including North Carolina
By Hayley Fowler June 12, 2020 07:58 PM
https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article243501021.html


COVID-19 Forecasts: Cumulative Deaths

Updated June 12, 2020
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• National Forecast
• State Forecasts
• Why Forecasting COVID-19 Deaths in the US is Critical
• What the Forecasts Aim to Predict
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Interpretation of Cumulative Death Forecasts

• This week CDC received 17 individual national forecasts.
• This week’s national ensemble forecast suggests that there will likely be between 124,000 and 140,000 total reported COVID-19 deaths by July 4th.
• The state-level ensemble forecasts suggest that the number of new deaths over the next four weeks in Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, North Carolina, Utah, and Vermont will likely exceed the number reported over the last four weeks. For other states, the number of new deaths is expected to be similar or decrease slightly compared to the previous four weeks.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

best get crackin' on yer spin to make donny look as good as possible.

New cases with little to no symptoms eh ? Yeah let's use the new case's stats to destroy the Trump economy, affecting millions in a negative way, but that don't matter to a movement hell bent on getting Trump no matter what it takes eh ??

The Reagan tested positive for 60% of the crew, and yet no symptoms and life goes on.

Man we should have sped that ship into port, shut it down, and put yellow tape around it. No access period. LOL.

Get real...

 

[Correll]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

www.britannica.com

Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

 

[Seawytch]

Are you claiming that Texas does NOT have the capacity to handle it?

Cause that is what "flattening the curve" was all about.

Texas isn't flattening it's curve.

Texas reports largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases

"Flattening the curve" is not about stopping the spread of virus. That was never the goal.


You have gotten carried away by panic.

No shit, Sherlock. The virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. Texas is not flattening their curve when they had their highest single day increase in cases just three days ago.

 

[pknopp]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

View attachment 348906

A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

You as do so many others only see this as politics. That is sad. My point stands.

 

[Correll]

Are you claiming that Texas does NOT have the capacity to handle it?

Cause that is what "flattening the curve" was all about.

Texas isn't flattening it's curve.

Texas reports largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases

"Flattening the curve" is not about stopping the spread of virus. That was never the goal.


You have gotten carried away by panic.

No shit, Sherlock. The virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. Texas is not flattening their curve when they had their highest single day increase in cases just three days ago.

There is nothing in the statement "largest single day increase" that indicates that they have not, or are not flattening the curve.

 

[beagle9]

Are you claiming that Texas does NOT have the capacity to handle it?

Cause that is what "flattening the curve" was all about.

Texas isn't flattening it's curve.

Texas reports largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases

"Flattening the curve" is not about stopping the spread of virus. That was never the goal.


You have gotten carried away by panic.

No shit, Sherlock. The virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. Texas is not flattening their curve when they had their highest single day increase in cases just three days ago.

Increase in cases is the new panic ploy to get people locked back into their homes, and to get the economies shut back down. Get Trump at any cost eh cratzi's ??? Well hopefully the country will awaken to the bullcrap going on, because that is exactly what it all is evil BULLCRAP.

 

[Correll]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

View attachment 348714

Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

You as do so many others only see this as politics. That is sad. My point stands.

Dude. This thread is all about attacking Trump for political reasons.

The pretense is that whites and/or the GOP is the party of wacism, and that they have to be fought.

THer are no republicans on teh city council of Minneapolis. It is all dems expect for one Green.


So, you got you progressive city there. THey have had decades to turn the city and the policie force into a progressive utopia and instead they are the source of this round of race riots.


The more hate you put out, the more hate there is out there. You should really think about that.

 

[pknopp]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

mediabiasfactcheck.com

The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

You as do so many others only see this as politics. That is sad. My point stands.

Dude. This thread is all about attacking Trump for political reasons.

The pretense is that whites and/or the GOP is the party of wacism, and that they have to be fought.

THer are no republicans on teh city council of Minneapolis. It is all dems expect for one Green.


So, you got you progressive city there. THey have had decades to turn the city and the policie force into a progressive utopia and instead they are the source of this round of race riots.


The more hate you put out, the more hate there is out there. You should really think about that.

I'm not here to defend politicians. I'm here to defend people.

 

[Correll]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

You as do so many others only see this as politics. That is sad. My point stands.

Dude. This thread is all about attacking Trump for political reasons.

The pretense is that whites and/or the GOP is the party of wacism, and that they have to be fought.

THer are no republicans on teh city council of Minneapolis. It is all dems expect for one Green.


So, you got you progressive city there. THey have had decades to turn the city and the policie force into a progressive utopia and instead they are the source of this round of race riots.


The more hate you put out, the more hate there is out there. You should really think about that.

I'm not here to defend politicians. I'm here to defend people.

Yet, I brought up how people are being destroyed for no reason, and you seemed fine with it.


SOme people worth losing? For "progress"?

 

[pknopp]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

www.britannica.com

Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

View attachment 348714

Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

That you persecute and oppress people is bad enough, but that you then say it is because they are bad people, is just adding insult to injury.


Your belief that this will work out for you, is not wise.

Society always moves forward. Woman can vote. Minorities can vote. Same sex couples can marry, etc.

Kick and scream all you want, the status quo is going to end.

Your pretense that this is more of that, is not fooling anyone. You are the bad guys. And you know it.

You see the changes happening. Nothing would have happened to the officer that knelt on Floyds neck a few years ago. We see report after report of police officers being held accountable for their actions. From being fired to having charges filed. That is going to become routine.

Those "changes" are the statues quo. I have seen it many times.

A provocation, supposedly "Racism".

The dems make some noise, rile up the base, throw a couple of sacrifices to the mob, spend some money, bang the drums, convince another generation of blacks that whitey is out to get them.


Meanwhile, the lie that whites are evul racists is getting pretty thin,, as ever city is run by dem machines, and every corporation is kowtowing to the mob and people's lives are being ruined for complete bullshit reasons.

You want to guess how many republicans are on the Minneapolis city council?


Come on. Guess.

You as do so many others only see this as politics. That is sad. My point stands.

Dude. This thread is all about attacking Trump for political reasons.

The pretense is that whites and/or the GOP is the party of wacism, and that they have to be fought.

THer are no republicans on teh city council of Minneapolis. It is all dems expect for one Green.


So, you got you progressive city there. THey have had decades to turn the city and the policie force into a progressive utopia and instead they are the source of this round of race riots.


The more hate you put out, the more hate there is out there. You should really think about that.

I'm not here to defend politicians. I'm here to defend people.

Yet, I brought up how people are being destroyed for no reason, and you seemed fine with it.


SOme people worth losing? For "progress"?

No, I disagreed that there was no reason.

 

[Seawytch]

Are you claiming that Texas does NOT have the capacity to handle it?

Cause that is what "flattening the curve" was all about.

Texas isn't flattening it's curve.

Texas reports largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases

"Flattening the curve" is not about stopping the spread of virus. That was never the goal.


You have gotten carried away by panic.

No shit, Sherlock. The virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. Texas is not flattening their curve when they had their highest single day increase in cases just three days ago.

There is nothing in the statement "largest single day increase" that indicates that they have not, or are not flattening the curve.

Yeah, it kinda does...

Flattening Houston's curve (again) will take weeks, disease scientist says

In May, scientists warned that Texas was reopening before it had the novel coronavirus under control. This week Houston-area hospital admissions appear to bear out their warnings: If things continue this way, our hospitals could be inundated.​

 

[Seawytch]

You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

Who? Name names. Post links.

 

[beagle9]

Are you claiming that Texas does NOT have the capacity to handle it?

Cause that is what "flattening the curve" was all about.

Texas isn't flattening it's curve.

Texas reports largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases

"Flattening the curve" is not about stopping the spread of virus. That was never the goal.


You have gotten carried away by panic.

No shit, Sherlock. The virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. Texas is not flattening their curve when they had their highest single day increase in cases just three days ago.

There is nothing in the statement "largest single day increase" that indicates that they have not, or are not flattening the curve.

Yeah, it kinda does...

Flattening Houston's curve (again) will take weeks, disease scientist says

In May, scientists warned that Texas was reopening before it had the novel coronavirus under control. This week Houston-area hospital admissions appear to bear out their warnings: If things continue this way, our hospitals could be inundated.​

Didn't happen, won't happen, and now it's all politics. Anyone with a smidget of a mind can see what's happening here.

 

[Slade3200]

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Who was laughing? Cause I’ve seen a good chunk of money and attention invested from the left on the subject.

The dems in the room. Because they consider whites to be the problem, especially white men.

The video is out there. Do you want to see it?

Are you really going to make the argument that they were laughing at the deaths of white men because they hate white men? Seriously?

Why they were laughing is obvious and not for the reason stated above... do I need to explain it to you?

Yes, you do. what is both funny about white men killing themselves, and yet not hateful and racist?

The laugh is at the obvious diversion and change of subject. Like when somebody brings up a Trump offense and the response is “but but Hillary did that too” I laugh at how stupid that argument is. You really didn’t get that?

Post the video again. Let's watch it again. I think you are being overly generous with people who do not deserve such kind treatment.

its not worth the energy nor am I interested in debating what a group of blowhards meant by a laugh. Believe whatever you want

 

[Desperado]

Meanwhile Biden was locked in his basement, not sure if it was by his choice or the DNC's

 

[Seawytch]

Are you claiming that Texas does NOT have the capacity to handle it?

Cause that is what "flattening the curve" was all about.

Texas isn't flattening it's curve.

Texas reports largest single-day increase in coronavirus cases

"Flattening the curve" is not about stopping the spread of virus. That was never the goal.


You have gotten carried away by panic.

No shit, Sherlock. The virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. Texas is not flattening their curve when they had their highest single day increase in cases just three days ago.

There is nothing in the statement "largest single day increase" that indicates that they have not, or are not flattening the curve.

Yeah, it kinda does...

Flattening Houston's curve (again) will take weeks, disease scientist says

In May, scientists warned that Texas was reopening before it had the novel coronavirus under control. This week Houston-area hospital admissions appear to bear out their warnings: If things continue this way, our hospitals could be inundated.​

Didn't happen, won't happen, and now it's all politics. Anyone with a smidget of a mind can see what's happening here.

It IS happening. States that opened too soon are experiencing another wave. Texas, Arizona, Florida, Iowa. It's not even a second wave, it's the continuation of the first.

 

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Bible + photo op = no problem

Bible + photo op + gassing innocent people minutes before = problem

Get it now? It’s simple math

Wellllllllllllllllllllllllll, except no "gas" was used.

ummmmmmmmmmmm.... ya it was.

No law enforcement agency admits to using tear gas Monday, but tear gas canisters were found at the scene

WUSA9's Nathan Baca experienced first hand what was used when U.S. Park Police cleared Lafayette Square amid protests over George Floyd's death.

Author: Nick Boykin (WUSA9), Nathan Baca

Published: 11:07 PM CDT June 2, 2020

Updated: 3:33 PM CDT June 5, 2020



WASHINGTON — Updated 6/5

Further analysis by former military explosives disposal experts of canisters and casings obtained by a WUSA9 crew Monday night on H & 17th street indicates another form of munitions used against protesters:

"The Stinger Ball grenades, also mostly made by Defense Tech, that’s like a -three-for-one. Not only does it have a flash bang effect, but it also has a little bit of tear gas inside of it. Some also have some pepper spray, depending on – there’s a couple models," explained former explosives expert Brian Castner, now with Amnesty International.
The Stinger Ball collected by WUSA9 shows an OC gas label
[...]
No law enforcement agency admits to using tear gas Monday, but tear gas canisters were found at the scene

LOL, the night before they were looting and burning the church.
You'll have to be better than this

<pfffft>

wipe the cheeto dust off yer lips.

You're ignorant kid.

lol ...

'don't believe what you see or hear - stick with us ' - yer chosen one.

You poor kid, I ain't a Rump guy. Unlike you I am NOT a willfully blind partisan....in fact I am not even a part of the fake two party paradigm. There WAS a riot there the night before....did the clean up crews hit it before the next day?

uh-huh. you think because the park police, MPs, the bopper apes from the texas federal bureau of prisons who btw had no identifying patches or badges, nor the FBI, ATF, or the US marshal service - all who have total access to such tactile weapons - deny it was any of them that were responsible - but a reporter on the ground, who experienced first hand pepper balls ( that the CDC also lists as a chemical irritant) & found said canister is the one who is lying.

& YOU call ME 'ignorant'? LOL!!!!

No one believes you. NO ONE.
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by NO ONE, you mean knuckledragging beta basket dwelling deplorables who don't have a fucking chance of their chosen one winning again?

lol... y'all don't matter. it's a done deal. donny's o-u-t.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

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If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

The People's Voice (Newspunch) - Bias and Credibilty

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

That's kinda sad and funny at the same time. To think that a Republican president could actually lose Nascar.


That one's going to take a bit to sink in.

 

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I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

I'm sure you believe yourself to be some magnanimous genius -



How did Candidate Trump defeat 16 other Republican candidates, most actual experienced politicians if his only quality is that he wasn't Hillary.

Hint - it was his policies - it still is.

Did you read what I replied to? I replied to someone noting they voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

He had no policies then and he has none now.

He had plenty of policies. HIs policies distinguished him from the other candidates and HIllary.

Trump had no policies at all. Trump had bumper sticker slogans. Build that Wall! Lock her up! Drain the Swamp!

A policies have a stated goal, a plan and a timetable for achieving it. Anybody can say "I'm going to drain the swamp", but what would that look like? Whenever Trump was asked about his programs, he always said "Elect me and I'll show you".

While Trump claimed that one "Day One" he would repeal and replace the ACA, or restore law and or order, or a dozen other things, in reality, on Day One he didn't even have a cabinet, much less a legislative agenda, or a plan to achieve it.

I see Trump is taking a page from the Obama playbook......

Who can forget when Obama cleared out all of those Tea Party folks from the public square -- just so he can have his photo op with Al Queda….

do you know what al qaeda means in english?

' the base '

how 'bout that 'eh?

& what are donny's deplorables called?

yep. ' the base '.

just a little interesting factoid i tossed out there.

You seem like you probably have an IQ of about 3 -
Every politicians supporters are called the base.

No, they're not. Often they're called "core" voters, or "supporters". "Base" is a good word for the core supporters of the Republican Party. They're the ones who are permanently on the bottom, because of Republican policies.

You definitely don't know what permanently on the bottom means.

GO BACK AND READ THE POST BITCH

When Reagan was elected, hourly rated workers had unions, health care, and a living wage. They owned 5% of the wealth of the USA. Reagan promised them a big wage increase if they got rid of unions, and sold them on the idea that NAFTA would be good for working Americans. Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy. Workers never got that raise. Wages stagnated without unions. Nobody got raises - for years. NAFTA started a landslide of offshoring. The rich got richer.

40 years later, those same working Americans are sick, broke and unemployed. 3 major economic crashes, each worse than the last, under the past 4 Republican Presidents, have left the "Base" sick, broke and unemployed - again. Unemployed people in the USA have no health insurance. 40 of working class Americans rely on government handouts for basic living expenses. America is about to have it's first ever Trillionaire.

How are working Americans going to thrive or get ahead now? The base. Always on the bottom, and they've been on the bottom since 1987. If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, why are working Americans still voting for Republicans?

Nafta was signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into affect in 1994.
Reagan was out of Office in January of 1989 and became a private citizen.

I stopped reading there -
Try again.

You should try reading history instread of going with the usual troll farm talking points.

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) | Definition, Purpose, Members, Replacement, & Provisions

North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), trade pact signed in 1992 that gradually eliminated most tariffs and other trade barriers on products and services passing between the United States, Canada, and Mexico. It effectively created a free-trade bloc among the three largest countries of...

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Here's a picture from the signing ceremony:

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A Canadian-U.S. free-trade agreement was concluded in 1988, and NAFTA basically extended that agreement’s provisions to Mexico. NAFTA was negotiated by the administrations of U.S. Pres. George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and Mexican Pres. Carlos Salinas de Gortari. Preliminary agreement on the pact was reached in August 1992, and it was signed by the three leaders on December 17. NAFTA was ratified by the three countries’ national legislatures in 1993 and went into effect on January 1, 1994.

So now you agree that it was not Reagan.
Thank you.

You said it was Clinton

I hold trump to a higher standard than I do the media. The media has always been hyperbolic garbage, that’s baked in. Our elected officials and especially our president don’t get free passes because the media spins. But as I said, once that narrative came out Trump could have easily clarified, or better yet shouldn’t have been trying to detract focus from the horrific killing of a young lady by White suprematists scum. The more I watch how he responded to that situation the more I saw him escalating instead of deescalating. It’s his ego. That’s how he is.

THe media is not spin. THey flat out lied, and it was a horrifically divisive lie.

Trump's behavior in that issue, was nearly perfect. Saying that Trump should have "clarified" to fix the media's lie, is not holding Trump to a higher standard, it is just choosing to side with your side, even when it is clearly in the wrong.

The division in our society, that you are supporting by being a part of, is tearing this country apart.


And is part of the same process that is killing people in the streets right now.



I've seen this coming for quite some time. When you call people "nazis" you are not trying to find a way to work together, but laying the moral justification for the use of violence.


Consider this. It will get worse. Much worse. How many people are you willing to see die, to advance your partisan agenda?

Trumps actions were far from perfect. A woman was killed by a white suprematists after a band of Nazis walked with torches down the streets chanting blood and soil. So when the president speaks speaks about that event he should stay on message and not conflate it with a statue protest to pick a fight with ANTIFA. Some people truly do see the fact that he deflected blame at that moment from the Nazis to change the subject and praise the statue protestors and blame ANTIFA as a racist act. they see it as a cover for the Nazis by minimizing their message. I don’t go that far but I understand the sentiment and Trump doubled down on it by how he then responded.

And I did then and do now correct people who say that he was calling the Nazis very fine people. That has become a dishonest propaganda slogan from the Left and there is no excuse for it

Why is it important to ignore the fact that Antifa was also violent or that some people who were there were there because of a less radical reason?

^^^ fake news ^^^

FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims
FBI 'has no intelligence' indicating antifa was linked to weekend violence in the George Floyd protests, despite Trump and Republicans' claims


No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest
June 9, 20203:57 PM ET
No Sign Of Antifa So Far In Justice Department Cases Brought Over Unrest

FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest
FBI finds no evidence of Antifa’s involvement in national unrest

1. We are talking about the riot in Charlottsville, you fucking race baiting moron.

2. I've never heard that the FBI has targeted Antifa for infiltration. So, is their lack of information an indicator that Antifa is not operating, or an indication that Democratic partisan operators have sabotaged the FBI from doing it's job in watching Antifa?

it was this thread that i gave you the links. yer chosen one is insisting antifa is part of these protests turned violent. you mean you don't believe him?

I mean that I was talking to someone else about something else, you crazy bitch.


What part of that, is too complex for you to understand?

it doesn't matter since you claimed i was part of antifa & let's just say i like proving you wrong whenever it seems a good time to do so.

point blank question:

do you think antifa was part of these protests?

1. It does matter. The topics being discussed, matter to the conversation you jumped into. D'uh,

2. YOu are not proving me wrong, when you are so confused that you are not even talking about the same thing other people are talking about, you crazy bitch.


3. Yes, I do. (think that antifa is part of thes protests)

but of course you do. you automatically ASSume antifa was part of it 'cause yer chosen one said so, despite the evidence showing otherwise.

donny is pushing sick CONspiratorial pablum vomited up by a sputnik owned rooooskie reporter on a extremist rw propaganda network & you swallowed that too.

here's yer antifa poster boy.

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Trump's words on this issue, have had no impact on my assumptions on Antifa. Indeed, I have not been listening to him on the issue.


You assumption that I am basing me opinions on what he is saying is you projecting.


I assume that Anfia is involved, because they have been violent rioters for YEARS, and pushing for more and more political violence.

This is a perfect chance for them to encourage more violence and to outreach into minority communities for either new recruits or new allies.


From their perspective, it would incredible incompetence on their part to NOT jump at the opportunities presented to them.


That the FBI has found no "evidence" of this, imo, is likely because the partisan hacks in the FBI, have been careful to NOT infiltrate the Antifa, because as Dem political operatives, they are on the same side.

pure bullshit on yer part.

I've been against Antifa since they've been shutting down conservative speakers on college campuses, years before Trump announced.


Your need to assume that my position on Antifa has anything to do with Trump is... very strange.


Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.


When you talk to TRUMP, you can accuse him of following ME, if you want. That would have more basis in reality.


Until then, either address what I actually say. Or don't. Go play in traffic for all I care.


But, your claims that I am a blind follower, is just you libs projecting.

This !

Trump crafted his political persona to FOLLOW people like me. I (we) were here first.

THIS!

' trump CRAFTED HIS POLITICAL PERSONA. '

PERSONA

the particular type of character that a person seems to have and that is often different from their real or private character: ~ cambridge english dictionary

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.” ~ donald trump

in other words - he is a snake oil salesman & y'all are his dupes.

Incorrect. ON so many levels.

100% factual.

from the definition of persona to donny's exact quote from his ghost written book to the fact that he has been shown to defraud people with his fake university & foundation - to his tv PERSONA.

The fact that he crafted a political persona, is not evidence of anything, you raving lunatic.


FOr starters.



You raving lunatic.

it's evidence that he is duping you.

no, it is not.


YOu are so blinded by your hate, you can't even see that the words you are saying, don't say the shit you claim that are saying.



Stating "craft a persona" does not equal "duping". YOu are literally insane.


Can you even make a sentence explaining why you thin what you seem to think? Or are you just going to rave some more?

crafting a persona is acting in a way that is not true to one's actual character.

therefore it is a lie. what you see & hear from is a lie. he doesn't feel that way about you, he is only self serving himself & his swamp critters. look at the people he has put in charge. they are all the antithesis of the depts they serve.

OR, he was a political unformed person, without a deep political or ideological set of principles, and when he decided to get into politics he had to create a whole new sub identity.


The feedback between truth belief and self serving side taking, might have been complex and interesting,


but there is no reason to believe that he is not mostly sincere in the political platform and belief system he put together and there is especially no reason to believe that he might not be sincere in his offer of representing the interest so us, the American working man (class).


Also, your claim that he "fooled us" or that we "swallowed his load" is based on your self serving and asshole assumption that we could not see his actions nor understood them.


If I had a choice between a man with a life long commitment to my political ideology and interests, and someone who came to it recently as part of a self serving desire to be President, I would of course, go with life long believer.


BUT, the choice was between Trump and Hillary.



And in that, it was clear that we would do better to vote for Trump.


Your assumption that we did so, because we were "Fooled" or "Swallowing Trump's load",


is just you being a fucking asshole.



FUCK YOU.

I get that people voted for Trump because the alternative was Hillary.

What I don't get is people thinking that means they have to defend him no matter what.

Things tend to repeat themselves. People refusing to condemn Obama for his lies helped bring about Trump.

The same thing is happening now with Trump.

It wasn't long ago that I posted I didn't think Biden stood a chance (I'm still not voting for him) but now I think he has a real good chance of winning because no one will tell Trump that when you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging.

The people that are relentless in attacking Trump? Are just as relentless in their hate and bigotry towards working class or middle class whites.


If Trump is destroyed by the lib mob, we know that no one will ever step forward to speak out for us again.


It is not about Trump, so much as we realize that the people that hate Trump, HATE us, even more and forever.


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I hate no one. It's Trump that spews the hate filled diatribe .

Democrats Caught Laughing At Rising Suicide Rates Among White People

A leaked video at an event hosted by the Maine Democratic Party shows an official joking about rising suicide rates among white males.

newspunch.com

If right wingers didn't have QUESTIONABLE SOURCES they wouldn't have any sources at all:

My favourite part is their statement that this website has ZERO CREDIBILITY:

• Overall, we rate News Punch a Questionable source based on extreme right wing bias and promotion of tin foil hat conspiracies. This website has zero credibility due to routine publishing of fake news

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The mass dems laughed at the idea of white suicides rising. This demonstrates the level of hate you people are filled with.

Your video source has been discredited. Your lies have been exposed, and still you keep lying.

Cherry picking for political purposes is a well known tactic, and you are good at it. You know good and well that Trump has delivered on many promises, yet your hatred puts you in denial mode, and worse it causes you to try and fool the wise with your convoluted opinions or writings that are derived out of your hatred.

Cherry picking is also citing examples and she cited some major ones. But you are correct he has also done many things that he promised. The other half of her point which you didn’t address was Trumps lack of planning. He seems to be stuck in the bumper sticker campaign mode where everything is going to be perfect and he promises these amazing platitudes but when it gets down to complex details and execution it all seems to be way over his head

Over his head or harassed big time by the Democrats ?? Have they stopped him in anyway possible ? Last I checked my truck driver friends are leading the way back to normalcy.

There is no "way back to normalcy" because the old "normal" no longer exists. We will be living with the virus until a vaccine exists, or until 75% of the population has developed immunity.

I'm not holding my breath on a vaccine. We haven't achieved a vaccine for either SARS or MERS and SARS happened in 2002. The common cold is a corona virus, and we don't have a vaccine for that either.

Giving up already or did the Democrats tell you to say that ?? Funny thing how we have been living our lives normal ever since this thing hit, and even went on vacation as well, eating in resteraunts, staying in hotels, going to the beaches, and enjoying normal life while hollywood celebrities are televised cowering in their houses worried about getting the thing. Life is good, you should try it again. Oh and what about all the reports of people dying like they've always done, yet due to incentives given to hospitals, nursing homes and more, they are being tagged with the virus as somehow being associated with their deaths ????? Something is very rotten in Denmark.

No one is "cowering in their homes".

Yes, we've been watching Americans "living their lives" without concern for the virus. That's why 2 million people have gotten sick, and 115,000 have died, and another 100,000 will die before the end of the summer. People in the rest of the first world, are smarter than that.

We're living our lives in such a way that we can still work, and go out and enjoy our lives, without speading disease to those we know and care about. Americans are going with the "right" to get sick and die from stupidty.

I'm looking forward to Trumpy Bear resuming his rallies. He's already thrown his elderly voters under the bus to save the economy. Now he's going to sicken and kill the trailer trash voters.

This doesn't help. I do not understand why people refuse to learn. Hillary calling people names really hurt her. Politicians are still using that to run on today.

Let Trump do the name calling. People grow tired of it.

Yes, I do. I get tired of being called a Demoturd, a Libtard, a liar, a communist, and a troll with every post, and I get tired to posting links that no one reads.

But as Trump has continued to implode and to take down the US economy with him, and the Republican Party with them, the right has become every more virulent and shrill in their attacks on others, because it's all they have left.

You either stand your ground or let them run over you.

I ignore the name calling just the same I ignore a 5 year having a fit.

These days, someone calls you a racist, and you try ignoring it, it can ruin your life. Hell, soon enough, it will get your ass arrested. Or worse.

Call me one. I'll ignore you, not give it another thought and move on. Maybe you are concerned about it being earned?

Nope. You can save that snide bullshit for the tourists, btw.


You really missing all the people getting their lives fucked up, by false accusations of racism?

I guess that's true. The accusations when I see them are pretty accurate.

Why you lie like that? Why do you support people having their lives ruined by assholes for no reason?


Do you think that this is going to make the world a better place, or will all this resentment you libs are generations, will it blow back on you someday, someway?

It's going to make the world a better place. Society always moves forward but some still insist on fighting that no matter what.

donny lost the NFL AND nascar. holy cow - he's sinking everywhere.

people wanna move on from him & sociopathy.

Moving on to what ???? Psstt, a little secret for you, it ain't gonna get no better now, so don't be dissapointed after you asked for it, and then you get it.

After moving somehow all these leftist minion's into every corner of this country's blood pumping stations, the metaphorical cancer's have metastasized to the point of them now attempting to kill the host.