Pretty much!

[Penelope]

I remember 20-30 years ago when just saying “socialism” was enough to scare a lot of the electorate.

Voters are changing.

And before that it was communism , so Reagan said tear down the fence and they came to Brighton Beach NY. I can remember nuke drills, we got under the desk and back them girls wore dresses. LOL.

We have sort of communism now, with the corps and the farmers, we bailed the banks, mortgage companies, when they screwed us over. We have more corp socialism than consumer socialism and we just gave them a huge tax cut. So we pay for the jobs and then we work them.

 

[Maxdeath]

You do realize that the income tax rate for Sweden is 61.85%? Others fall slightly below that. Do you think that you are going to convince the U.S. Citizen which is on average 36% that they need to almost double their taxes?

They are already complaining that they did not get enough of a tax break.

What's the tax rate for the rest of the list?

Since you are unable to use google the rest fall between 45.6 and 45%.
You are still talking almost 10% increase when Americans are complaining about the national debt, infrastructure and not having enough of a tax cut.

 

[BookShaka]

She running on ignorance. Hopefully ignorance isn’t strong enough to carry her to victory.

All these promises she has... does she have plans on how to make them happen? Bc I don’t believe her supporters have any idea exactly WHAT following through on these promises mean.

Her slogan should be “There’s no such thing as a free lunch.” Maybe it’d make her fans THINK for once.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Showing the cost will be communication enough....

No it won't.

All I'm seeing here is "we don't need to communicate." Okay, good luck.
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Sure it will,the same way it did in socialist California when they attempted to pass single payer.
If those loons balked at the cost what do you think normal Americans are going to say.....?

Well, that's my question. The electorate is changing.

If the GOP disagrees, okay. I guess we'll see.
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The only way that happens is if the population of the poor surpasses the middle class.
If that happens we're fucked.

Then you'll actually have to put forth the effort to communicate and change minds.

Can you do that?
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Do you think you can change the minds of people like antifa?
The people who are for open borders?
Not gonna happen.

 

[PredFan]

The GOP had better start re-learning how to communicate pretty soon. Avoiding it and throwing around platitudes isn't going to work.

Yeah because the GOP hasn’t been winning anything lately right?

I'm not talking about today. If you're convinced that nothing is changing, great.
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So the GOP should abandon their principles and become more like the democrats right? Because that’s what you are saying. We communicate our platform and principles quite well, that is obvious because of what has happened recently.

Please don’t give me that hackneyed premise that we are dying off because we are old. The left has been saying that forever and each generation realizes that the left is wrong and their ideas are wrong. The same will happen with this generation.

 

[Penelope]

Good stuff all that...who the fuck pays for it?

Anyone buying her BS needs their head examined

Well let see we can do lots of things like raise the top tax bracket.

We can also raise yours. Then again, I suppose you’d actually have to pay them first

I'm not in the top tax bracket and after a few hundred million they can pay, since most of them pay peanuts as it is.

 

[dave p]

It doesnt matter if it failed in those countries or not. Those countries arent the US.
Different cultures. 30X more people. Corrupt as hell govt.
THINK about it.

It’s another weird argument.

Other countries can do it, but our government is way more corrupt than those countries. So....let’s just keep doing it this way.

Derp.

No let's go hug a Marxist instead. More American than apple pie, surely.

Yeesh.

See, those buzzwords don’t scare like they used to.

I’m not afraid of being called a Marxist. If American government doesn’t work for everyone, I’m going to work to change it, no matter what label you slap on me.

No Government works for everyone.

 

[PredFan]

So far, I've seen about a zillion excuses why the GOP doesn't need to communicate or change minds.

I'm convinced the reason is that they literally don't know how to do either, at this point.

And you are wrong on all counts.

 

[ricechickie]

We'll see but anyone running on her platform and can't explain how it's funded will struggle.
Then again leftists are too fucking stupid to grasp it

The wealthy can pay for it. Higher income taxes. Much higher. And less military spending.

Bing, there it is.

Now, at some point, the GOP will have to do more than just scream SOCIALISM. That doesn't work any more. This is going to take actual effort.

You people are putting too much into an election result in a socialist loving city. Since when is NYC a mirror of the rest of the country? She’s not the future of this country in reality.

NYC isn’t a mirror of the rest of the country. It is the predictor. What happens in NY first, eventually happens to the rest of the country.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Won't work and just reveals you don't know squat about economics either.

No, it's just my profession.

And I'm not talking about economics, I'm talking about politics. You don't seem to understand that.
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You start taking taxes, spending, etc it's economics and part of politics.

You don't seem to understand that.

Let me help you....it won't work. They will sell a pie in the sky dream and when the rubber meets the road a catastrophic fail will happen. History proves that.

Okay, then there's no need to communicate with those who disagree. They'll figure it out on their own, I'm sure.
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Sure there is a need....sadly there is.

See leftists are fucking stupid

You should be a GOP spokesperson! Keep up the good work!

(TNHarley , this is an example of me being a dick. See, I didn’t ask a question because I don’t care about her views)

Your trolling is becoming annoying

 

[ricechickie]

I remember 20-30 years ago when just saying “socialism” was enough to scare a lot of the electorate.

Voters are changing.

And before that it was communism , so Reagan said tear down the fence and they came to Brighton Beach NY. I can remember nuke drills, we got under the desk and back them girls wore dresses. LOL.

We have sort of communism now, with the corps and the farmers, we bailed the banks, mortgage companies, when they screwed us over. We have more corp socialism than consumer socialism and we just gave them a huge tax cut. So we pay for the jobs and then we work them.

Thank you! That’s what I meant when I wrote about wage slavery!

 

[SassyIrishLass]

We'll see but anyone running on her platform and can't explain how it's funded will struggle.
Then again leftists are too fucking stupid to grasp it

The wealthy can pay for it. Higher income taxes. Much higher. And less military spending.

Bing, there it is.

Now, at some point, the GOP will have to do more than just scream SOCIALISM. That doesn't work any more. This is going to take actual effort.

You people are putting too much into an election result in a socialist loving city. Since when is NYC a mirror of the rest of the country? She’s not the future of this country in reality.

NYC isn’t a mirror of the rest of the country. It is the predictor. What happens in NY first, eventually happens to the rest of the country.

Yeah they predicted Hillary....lol

 

[ricechickie]

No, it's just my profession.

And I'm not talking about economics, I'm talking about politics. You don't seem to understand that.
.

You start taking taxes, spending, etc it's economics and part of politics.

You don't seem to understand that.

Let me help you....it won't work. They will sell a pie in the sky dream and when the rubber meets the road a catastrophic fail will happen. History proves that.

Okay, then there's no need to communicate with those who disagree. They'll figure it out on their own, I'm sure.
.

Sure there is a need....sadly there is.

See leftists are fucking stupid

You should be a GOP spokesperson! Keep up the good work!

(TNHarley , this is an example of me being a dick. See, I didn’t ask a question because I don’t care about her views)

Your trolling is becoming annoying

Before that post, I have attempted to have an actual discussion.

But correct, that was a trolling post. It made me laugh.

 

[MarcATL]

Since you are unable to use google the rest fall between 45.6 and 45%.
You are still talking almost 10% increase when Americans are complaining about the national debt, infrastructure and not having enough of a tax cut.

You think the poor will be taxed that much, or the rich?

 

[Votto]

So FOX sent an intrepid conservative to an Alexandria Ocasio Cortez rally and the conservative ended up getting kind of excited:

‘Fox & Friends’ Falls Face-First Into Ocasio-Cortez ‘Trap’

Kruta told the Fox & Friends hosts that she went to the rally to “see what the fuss was about” and “why the message was resonating.” Asked why voters might be drawn to a Democratic Socialist message, she added, “They talk about things that everybody wants, especially if you’re a parent. They talk about education for your kids, health care for your kids, the things that you want.”

Then Hannity tried to scare his audience and Ocasio Cortez thanked him:

The GOP can keep laughing, or it can start paying attention. Which would be smarter?
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Their message never gets old it seems

So the same people who signed onto Obamacare now want socialized medicine even though the ink on the legislation is not even dry yet.

 

[irosie91]

We'll see but anyone running on her platform and can't explain how it's funded will struggle.
Then again leftists are too fucking stupid to grasp it

The wealthy can pay for it. Higher income taxes. Much higher. And less military spending.

Bing, there it is.

Now, at some point, the GOP will have to do more than just scream SOCIALISM. That doesn't work any more. This is going to take actual effort.

You people are putting too much into an election result in a socialist loving city. Since when is NYC a mirror of the rest of the country? She’s not the future of this country in reality.

NYC isn’t a mirror of the rest of the country. It is the predictor. What happens in NY first, eventually happens to the rest of the country.

and the world-------a walk around big cities -----OVER THE SEA ------looks like New York City----15 years ago.

 

[Mac1958]

Do you think you can change the minds of people like antifa?
The people who are for open borders?
Not gonna happen.

There are people who are in between you and them.

It's up to you to decide whether you want to communicate with them.
.

 

[night_son]

We'll see but anyone running on her platform and can't explain how it's funded will struggle.
Then again leftists are too fucking stupid to grasp it

The wealthy can pay for it. Higher income taxes. Much higher. And less military spending.

Bing, there it is.

Now, at some point, the GOP will have to do more than just scream SOCIALISM. That doesn't work any more. This is going to take actual effort.

You people are putting too much into an election result in a socialist loving city. Since when is NYC a mirror of the rest of the country? She’s not the future of this country in reality.

NYC isn’t a mirror of the rest of the country. It is the predictor. What happens in NY first, eventually happens to the rest of the country.

Yeah they predicted Hillary....lol

And she was absolutely RMS Titanic, Olympia class.

 

[ricechickie]

It doesnt matter if it failed in those countries or not. Those countries arent the US.
Different cultures. 30X more people. Corrupt as hell govt.
THINK about it.

It’s another weird argument.

Other countries can do it, but our government is way more corrupt than those countries. So....let’s just keep doing it this way.

Derp.

No let's go hug a Marxist instead. More American than apple pie, surely.

Yeesh.

See, those buzzwords don’t scare like they used to.

I’m not afraid of being called a Marxist. If American government doesn’t work for everyone, I’m going to work to change it, no matter what label you slap on me.

No Government works for everyone.

The effort to work for all should be made. In my humble opinion.

 

[BookShaka]

The GOP had better start re-learning how to communicate pretty soon.

Avoiding it and throwing around platitudes isn't going to work.

Sanders tried the same BS in 2016....how did that work out?

He might very well have beaten Trump.

Avoiding real communication won't work forever. The GOP can't just point to Stalin and assume everyone will magically "get it". This will take effort, especially when the economy cycles down.
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I do believe he would have beaten Trump, but for some reason I’m in the minority with this belief. People say “America would never elect a socialist,” but I dissent bc there are likely enough idiots out there who would.