Progressive goals are Good

[Wyld Kard]

Most everyone remembers the famous quote by JFK, "Ask not what your country can do for you... ask what you can do for your country."

With progressives it's the exact opposite, "Ask not what you can do for your country...ask what your country can do for you"?

Take a look around and you'll see the ever growing welfare state.

 

[DiamondDave]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Fairer taxation.

Higher wages for the middle class.

More benefits for workers.

Cleaner air, water, and land.

More jobs for the unemployed.

Education and training for the poor.

Background checks for all gun sales.

Protect the Right to Choose.

Decriminalization of marijuana.

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.



What is wrong with these goals?

1) Fair is subjective.. try equality like you scream for other things
2) Wages are earned by what you negotiate for.. you want more, up your skills, etc
3) Benefits are compensation.. again earned by what is in demand, how skilled you become, etc... become more in demand to demand more
4) There are people for dirty air, water, and land???
5) Jobs don't just appear from nowhere and you don't tax your way to more jobs
6) Education for adults is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY... I am all for charity training those who need it etc, but it is NOT a job of government
7) We have background checks... the problem is not legal sales.. it is the criminal element that does not obey laws anyway
8) There is no such right.. see Constitution
9) The wish of every druggie
10) The ONLY one on your list even worthy of any discussion.... Except you will never have anything 'assisted' in taking a life condoned.... but allowing etc may be a possibility

11) you are basically an idiot on how government was set up to work

 

[deltex1]

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.



How is your health..???

 

[Pete7469]

Everything. So-Called "progressives" really Communists, don't favor a thriving private sector, don't favor limited Federal government, don't favor individual freedom, don't favor strong national security, are weak on crime, hate success, and are generally the enemies of America.

that's all wrong.

many social democratic states in northern europe have a very strong private sector, strong national secueity, value success, and love their country.

try again.

THEN TAKE YOUR DUMBASS TO EUROPE YOU SNIVELING BED WETTER!!!

Furthermore Boris is absolutely right. "Progressive" douche sacks don't give a damn about individual rights, they're statists. They despise Christianity entirely, hold jews in contempt, and are using the muslims as pawns in their 'divide and conquer' agenda. They promote asinine "religions" like wicca, because it appeals to environazi fringe lunatics. They use environmental issues to obstruct industrial expansion, commercial building endeavors, and updates to our infrastructure.

Most of you bed wetters don't even live anywhere near 'nature'. You live in cities, and the closest you get to 'nature' is smoking dope in a park followed by a ridiculous hacky sack game where you spend most of your time picking up the 'hack' because your synapses aren't firing on time and your motor skills are retarded. Conservatives are more likely to actually enjoy and protect nature. We have a greater tendency to hunt and fish, and are almost entirely responsible for all of the wildlife management, as well as the funding of natural preserves.

Fair taxation? STEALING money from "rich" people at a %35+ bracket just because you're programmed to hate them isn't fair. STEALING even a penny from ANYONE and giving it to people who do not produce anything in return isn't fair.

FORCING private enterprise to pay wages beyond what the market can tolerate STIFLES PROGRESS, and destroys businesses.

Education and training for the poor? Excuse the living fuck out of me, but thanks to you bed wetters education is bankrupting us. The cost of "Big Education" has multiplied over the last couple of decades to the point where the required degree for a measly $50K job costs $150K+, furthermore the quality of the "education" has been drastically reduced judging by how stupid most of the college kids are.

Stick your "background check" scheme up your ass too. It was nothing more than a national registry. Anyone who knows anything about history knows what the next step is, and what sort of horrors "progressive" Europe endured thanks to "common sense" gun laws.

Prog douchebags support decriminalized pot either for selfish reasons, or they're smart enough to know that a lethargic proletariat is easier to control and will end up even more dependent on subsidies. For libtards it's not about anyone else's freedom, it's all about their own freedom. Libertarians support complete legalization, because throwing people in prison merely for having/using pot is unjust. At the same time they would deny subsidizing slothful derelicts who have no motivation in life other than to smoke dope and watch sponge bob.

Me personally... I'm all for doctors helping idiots like you off yourselves. I'm also not opposed to subsidies for liberal abortions. All liberals should strongly encouraged to abort their genetic garbage, and perform retroactive abortions on themselves anytime they feel like.

Prog "goals" are detrimental to a civilized society. An objective study of history should compel a rational person to conclude that "progressive" politics have led to the most heinous events imaginable, and the complete disintegration of nations and empires. For whatever euroweenie nations that still exist in spite of "progressive" policies, recent events in Greece for example prove you can only spend other people's money for so long until they run out, and stop producing any more.


And why can't you assholes just go the fuck to Europe? People left Europe behind 200 years ago to get away from statist dumbfucks like you. There's no where left for us to go. So can't you just fuck off already?

 

[deltex1]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Fairer taxation.

50% pay-no taxes???

Higher wages for the middle class.

Full time workers going to part time employees?

More benefits for workers.

How did that work for Detriot?

Cleaner air, water, and land.

Stop farting, use filters, pick up after yourself.

More jobs for the unemployed.

You really don't want to talk about that do you??

Education and training for the poor.

How much did high school cost you??

Background checks for all gun sales.

Works for the honest people...how about the crooks?

Protect the Right to Choose.

You mean the right to kill your baby?

Decriminalization of marijuana.

Why not promote self discipline?

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.

Kill your own self.



What is wrong with these goals?

Progressive cant achieve them

 

[Stephanie]

Man the brainwashing today is something to behold..

scary too

 

[francoHFW]

The greedy idiot rich have ruined the nonrich and the country over the last 30 years with Reaganism and Voodoo, and their disgraceful BS propaganda Machine has made the hater dupes like it. Yes, YOU> Now ending, thank God. See sig for the most unfair modern country in the world, Ronnie Raygun's legacy. And thanks for the World Depression , 9/11, and the stupidest wars EVER.

 

[Clementine]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Fairer taxation.

Higher wages for the middle class.

More benefits for workers.

Cleaner air, water, and land.

More jobs for the unemployed.

Education and training for the poor.

Background checks for all gun sales.

Protect the Right to Choose.

Decriminalization of marijuana.

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.



What is wrong with these goals?

They claim they want lower taxes for working class, but Obamacare has 29 new taxes, 12 of which will affect EVERYONE. Meanwhile, billions are sent in refunds to illegal aliens. And many of those returns are frauds. If they are interested in reducing taxes, why don't they stop sending aid to terrorists, like the Muslim Brotherhood and Syrian rebels, and cut some other wasteful spending, like too damn many vacations? They raise taxes on the middle class, then turn around and say they are for us. Yea, right. Withholdings for Social Security increased for EVERYONE!

They claim they are helping with education, yet the more money they throw at teachers' unions, the worse the schools seem to get. As far as furthering their education, kids should get loans for college and pay them once they graduate. As it is, the poor often get a free ride, yet middle class students don't qualify. Makes no sense considering each of them will be equal once they get the diploma and they can begin paying them back. Right now, graduates from middle class families start off their with debt from student loans, while others aren't saddled with that.

They say they want more jobs for the poor, yet they are always raising taxes to increase welfare benefits, everything from food stamps to education. And those with minimum wage jobs get aid for rent, utilities, food and cash on top of that. Obamacare is making jobs disappear and that is the one thing Dems are most proud of. Never mind that congress, the IRS and the big unions don't want anything to do with Obamacare. Not good enough for them, too expensive and they exempt themselves as they plan to impose it on the rest of us.

Liberals love freedom of choice only if people agree with them. Choose abortion. Great. Choose whether you want health insurance or not. NO! The liberals whine and say we should foot the bill for women to have abortions or we will have to pay to raise the child. The woman chooses, we pay one way or the other. Liberals want women to get abortions and want them funded, yet we are all forced against our will to purchase government-approved health insurance and we could get fined or go to jail if we don't. No sympathy for us if we really can't afford it.

Liberals want everyone to live the way they think they should live. We are told to change things in our own homes. No catching rain water in barrels, but they will eventually tax us on rain water. They want to force us to use curly bulbs, low flow toilets, crappy appliances and they will force us to buy things we might not want.

Of course, liberals want to encourage abortions, even late in the game, and allow doctors to kill patients. It's all about population control.

Control, control, control..........................

 

[Stephanie]

progressive is a pretty word for fascist who are in control of everything that a citizen does in this country

look at this administration to see it

 

[Gadawg73]

Such a simple and easy life as a progressive liberal when you get to do all these good works spending other people's money and borrowing from the Chinks forcing future generations of Americans to pay it back.
What a responsible lesson to teach the kids

 

[Gadawg73]

The greedy idiot rich have ruined the nonrich and the country over the last 30 years with Reaganism and Voodoo, and their disgraceful BS propaganda Machine has made the hater dupes like it. Yes, YOU> Now ending, thank God. See sig for the most unfair modern country in the world, Ronnie Raygun's legacy. And thanks for the World Depression , 9/11, and the stupidest wars EVER.

Your Mommy never taught you that life is not fair?

 

[Stephanie]

Such a simple and easy life as a progressive liberal when you get to do all these good works spending other people's money and borrowing from the Chinks forcing future generations of Americans to pay it back.
What a responsible lesson to teach the kids

no kidding...no thinking required beyond some pie in the sky ideas..paying for it all doesn't come up

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Watching a documentary on very early this morning. It was about the progressives in the US putting an end to child labor and the horrendous working conditions of adult men and women. They got a law passed in congress that made it illegal to buy goods produced by child labor in the US. That law was overturned by SCOTUS but in the meantime, the progressives got regulations put in place that made the workplace safer for workers.

Its thanks to progressives that children now go to school instead of work and adults can expect and get a safe working place.

And, as we know, some conservatives would put a stop to that.

 

[Stephanie]

Watching a documentary on very early this morning. It was about the progressives in the US putting an end to child labor and the horrendous working conditions of adult men and women. They got a law passed in congress that made it illegal to buy goods produced by child labor in the US. That law was overturned by SCOTUS but in the meantime, the progressives got regulations put in place that made the workplace safer for workers.

Its thanks to progressives that children now go to school instead of work and adults can expect and get a safe working place.

And, as we know, some conservatives would put a stop to that.

really? so now they are going to be credited with everything in this country huh?
you can thank them all you want as if they are some gods or something

 

[Gadawg73]

Watching a documentary on very early this morning. It was about the progressives in the US putting an end to child labor and the horrendous working conditions of adult men and women. They got a law passed in congress that made it illegal to buy goods produced by child labor in the US. That law was overturned by SCOTUS but in the meantime, the progressives got regulations put in place that made the workplace safer for workers.

Its thanks to progressives that children now go to school instead of work and adults can expect and get a safe working place.

And, as we know, some conservatives would put a stop to that.

Name one.

 

[Stephanie]

now lets get down to the REAL WORLD...this is the reality of those wonderful progressives and all them lovely goals...

SNIP:

Detroit: The Shape Of Things To Come

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Posted 2013-07-18 17:11
by Karl Denninger
in States
Ignore this thread

Detroit: The Shape Of Things To Come


Listen up folks, after you read the bankruptcy filing for Detroit.


1. Right now, the City cannot meet its basic obligations to its citizens.

2. Right now, the City cannot meet its basic obligations to its creditors.

3. The failure of the City to meet its obligations to its citizens is the primary cause of its inability to meet its obligations to its creditors.

4. The only feasible path to ensuring the City will be able to meet obligations in the future is to have a successful restructuring via the bankruptcy process that recognizes the fundamental importantance of ensuring the City and mee its basic obligations to its citizens.

I have repeatedly pointed the impossible position that many governmental units, whether they be state, local or Federal, have placed themselves in by creating special classes of "untouchable" promises that were negotiated in bad faith by one or both sides and which are then ensconced with special protections under the law.

The fundamental reality of taxation is that if the economy is growing in your city (town, state, etc) then tax rates can remain the same or decrease and tax revenue goes up. That's because economic activity increases and taxes, as a matter of rate upon an activity, being a constant, results in more revenue.

Now four important axioms:


Economic progress only comes through capital formation.

Capital formation only comes from economic surplus.

Economic surplus is earnings less expenses including taxes.

All other forms of "development" are nothing more than leverage-driven bubbles.

If you increase tax rates then you decrease economic surplus. This inevitably slows economic expansion; it mathematically must.

all of it here
Detroit: The Shape Of Things To Come in [Market-Ticker]

 

[TakeAStepBack]

it's about how you want to obtain these goals, not the goals themselves. Unless we forget, the road to hell was paved in good intentions.

 

[Oddball]

it's about how you want to obtain these goals, not the goals themselves. Unless we forget, the road to hell was paved in good intentions.

How does any given progressive socialist proceed to achieve their goals?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Watching a documentary on very early this morning. It was about the progressives in the US putting an end to child labor and the horrendous working conditions of adult men and women. They got a law passed in congress that made it illegal to buy goods produced by child labor in the US. That law was overturned by SCOTUS but in the meantime, the progressives got regulations put in place that made the workplace safer for workers.

Its thanks to progressives that children now go to school instead of work and adults can expect and get a safe working place.

And, as we know, some conservatives would put a stop to that.

This is all good luddly. At one time they had merit.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Fairer taxation.

Higher wages for the middle class.

More benefits for workers.

Cleaner air, water, and land.

More jobs for the unemployed.

Education and training for the poor.

Background checks for all gun sales.






Protect the Right to Choose.

Decriminalization of marijuana.

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.



What is wrong with these goals?

Those aren't goals. They're ways to take freedoms away and collect more taxes.