Progressive goals are Good

[R.C. Christian]

Gardner, you're so naive boy. All of this shit just puts wealth in the same place it has always been.

Update genius, the wealthy are the ones who CREATE the jobs that make the money that the middle class pays in taxes to allow the losers in the ghetto and elsewhere to create more losers stuck in that vacuum.

Meanwhile, back at the country club, the people you really hate are stuck in the 1%, mingling with the status quo, war mongering, Wall-Street scumbags who get a work out clinking their champagne glasses together to honor their plastic existences and to the world that they THINK they've conquered.

It's a pathetic shit storm, just waiting for blood to feed it.

Your petty, liberal leanings will not stop it and I if I were your age I'd get the hell out of this country before you have leave something behind that you truly love enough not to leave.

 

[Duped]

Progressive goals are not rooted in reality; they are a fairytale we can not afford. They bring misery, death, and destruction!

 

[Oddball]

so far only one person has questioned these goals in a reasonable way.

now tell me, what's wrong with a system that has more money in the hands of the middle class and a smaller poor class?

That's because your "goals" are hairy-fairy lolberal boilerplate wish list, with nothing more substantial than your subjective opinion that they are "good".

And it it has been your "good" system, which has been in place for the last century, which is as responsible for concentrating wealth and power in fewer and fewer hands...All while chunkheads like you claim that your failures act as evidence that you need even more power.

tax rates have been going down on the rich for the last 60 years.

Yeah, I keep hearing that...Yet 85% of the income taxes are paid by the top 25% of earners.

regulations on banks and corporations keep going down.

every decade or so they keep going down.

Brown acid...Stop taking it.

union membership rates keep going down.

If only the same were true for AFSCME, NEA and AFT.

 

[asterism]

so far only one person has questioned these goals in a reasonable way.

now tell me, what's wrong with a system that has more money in the hands of the middle class and a smaller poor class?

That's because your "goals" are hairy-fairy lolberal boilerplate wish list, with nothing more substantial than your subjective opinion that they are "good".

And it it has been your "good" system, which has been in place for the last century, which is as responsible for concentrating wealth and power in fewer and fewer hands...All while chunkheads like you claim that your failures act as evidence that you need even more power.

tax rates have been going down on the rich for the last 60 years.

Not the effective tax rates, i.e. the rates actually paid

regulations on banks and corporations keep going down.

Not true, not true at all. Dodd-Frank this decade and Sarbanes-Oxley last decade. Both useless and burdensome.

every decade or so they keep going down.

In the 1980s one could use all the losses of one business to offset the gains of another. That isn't possible now.

In 1958, the top 3% of taxpayers earned 14.7% of all adjusted gross income and paid 29.2% of all federal income taxes. In 2010, the top 3% earned 27.2% of adjusted gross income and their share of all federal taxes rose proportionally, to 51%.
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In contrast, the share of taxes paid by the bottom two-thirds of taxpayers has fallen dramatically over the same period. In 1958, these Americans accounted for 41.3% of adjusted gross income and paid 29% of all federal taxes. By 2010, their share of adjusted gross income had fallen to 22.5%. But their share of taxes paid fell far more dramatically—to 6.7%. The 77% decline represents the single biggest difference in the way the tax burden is shared in this country since the late 1950s.
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It's hard to determine how much otherwise taxable income disappeared through tax shelters in the 1950s. As a result, direct comparisons between the 1950s and now are difficult. However, it is worth noting that from 1958 to 2010, the taxes paid by the top 3% of earners, as a percentage of total personal income (which can't be reduced by shelters), increased to 3.96% from 2.72%, while the percentage paid by the bottom two-thirds of filers fell to 0.51% in 2010 from 2.7%. This starker division of relative tax burdens can be explained by the inability of upper-income groups to shelter income.

Peter Schiff: The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate - WSJ.com

union membership rates keep going down.

Because they are no longer effective and people have more choice.

 

[Vox]

the goals might be good. just unachievable

because the road to them is pure hell

 

[jwoodie]

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Everything. So-Called "progressives" really Communists, don't favor a thriving private sector, don't favor limited Federal government, don't favor individual freedom, don't favor strong national security, are weak on crime, hate success, and are generally the enemies of America.

that's all wrong.

many social democratic states in northern europe have a very strong private sector, strong national secueity, value success, and love their country.

try again.

Sounds like something Jake would say

 

[francoHFW]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax rates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax tates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

Doesn't it go against economics 101 for the government to force pay above the opportune on the supply @ demand graph for a product?

 

[Vox]

Everything. So-Called "progressives" really Communists, don't favor a thriving private sector, don't favor limited Federal government, don't favor individual freedom, don't favor strong national security, are weak on crime, hate success, and are generally the enemies of America.

that's all wrong.

many social democratic states in northern europe have a very strong private sector, strong national secueity, value success, and love their country.

try again.

Sounds like something Jake would say

sounds like somebody who has absolutely no idea what actually the Northern European countries look like and how they work.

These progressive idiots would be greatly surprised finding that welfare recipients are very well controlled and checked often so they do not abuse the system.
Not to even mention that there is no "choice" after 12 weeks in most of Europe.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax tates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

^ Genuinely certifiable

 

[jwoodie]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax tates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

Ah yes, the Golden Age of Soviet spies, mutual assured destruction, segregation, race riots, undeclared wars, military-industrial complex, assassinations, Fidel Castro, Marilyn Monroe...

 

[Gardener]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax tates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

Ah yes, the Golden Age of Soviet spies, mutual assured destruction, segregation, race riots, undeclared wars, military-industrial complex, assassinations, Fidel Castro, Marilyn Monroe...

the percentage of middle class jobs with good benefits and the percentage of union workers was much higher then.

and tax rates were fairer.

 

[asterism]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax rates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

Yes, that age so golden that Johnson had to declare war on poverty and create The Great Society.

 

[asterism]

The Golden Age, the 50-60's, were when Dem tax tates and union pay rates were in force- Reaganism and voodoo got us here- see sig para. 1- and the Pub propaganda/bs machine has made dupes like it. That disgrace is imploding, dupes...thank God.

Ah yes, the Golden Age of Soviet spies, mutual assured destruction, segregation, race riots, undeclared wars, military-industrial complex, assassinations, Fidel Castro, Marilyn Monroe...

the percentage of middle class jobs with good benefits and the percentage of union workers was much higher then.

and tax rates were fairer.

Unless you were black.

I'd gladly go back to those tax policies. Higher marginal rates with nearly endless deductions, loopholes, and tax shelters.

 

[Gadawg73]

Progressive GOALS are good.
It is how they go about attempting to get to their goals is what is very bad.
Confiscating the proceeds of another's hard work at the point of a gun by government and allowing government only to decide what is "progressive goals" and what isn't is and always has been a failure.
They have never reached any goal in their agenda in 70 years and have spent tens of trillions of dollars making things worse now than they were then.
The goals to the private sector: work ethic, honesty, character, providing for one's family, not having children UNTIL you can feed and provide for them and savings does good.
All the while government is destroying it with their "progressive goals".

 

[Wyld Kard]

What are the goals of Progressives?

Fairer taxation.

Higher wages for the middle class.

More benefits for workers.

Cleaner air, water, and land.

More jobs for the unemployed.

Education and training for the poor.

Background checks for all gun sales.

Protect the Right to Choose.

Decriminalization of marijuana.

Decriminalization of doctor assisted suicide for the terminally ill.



What is wrong with these goals?

Really, That's it? You're just sugar-coating it.


Here's what the progressives really want:

Progressives want unlimited government.

Progressives want re-disribution of wealth.

Progressives hate the Founding Fathers, the principles of the Founding Fathers stand in their way.

Progressives are conservative Socialists – not full blown Marxists. However, they have the same aims as Marxists.

Progressives want no boundaries that individual rights can place between the State and the individual.

Progressives detest the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence because they put limits on the national government. The Declaration enshrines the idea of individual God-given rights as the end of government as Progressives want it. It's just the opposite.

Here are the very words of Progressive Barack Obama regarding the US Constitution:

"But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."

Progressives want full control over YOU and every aspect of YOUR life.

 

[Gardener]

Really, That's it? You're just sugar-coating it.


Here's what the progressives really want:

Progressives want unlimited government.

Progressives want re-disribution of wealth.

Progressives hate the Founding Fathers, the principles of the Founding Fathers stand in their way.

The Founding Fathers supported slavery and secondclass citizenship for women.

 

[PredFan]

so far only one person has questioned these goals in a reasonable way.

now tell me, what's wrong with a system that has more money in the hands of the middle class and a smaller poor class?

Nothing at all. That what we Conservatives want and what you progressives are destroying.

Dumbass.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Really, That's it? You're just sugar-coating it.


Here's what the progressives really want:

Progressives want unlimited government.

Progressives want re-disribution of wealth.

Progressives hate the Founding Fathers, the principles of the Founding Fathers stand in their way.

The Founding Fathers supported slavery and secondclass citizenship for women.

Jake likes to take a stand against the USA too