Progressives always talk about mininum wage

[rightwinger]

Why should someone have to work for you and then have to beg in order to survive? He is your employee. Why are you dumping him off on society to take care of?

Where in the world have you gotten the idea that someone HAS to work for someone?

Who told you this?

Is this serious?

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Where in the WORLD do Statist Libtards get the idea that companies ONLY exist to give people jobs, and the EMPLOYEE dictates terms when they are not qualified to receive a payraise contrary to what the market dictates?

Nobody gives someone a job. They receive labor from which they derive profit. You make a profit off of every employee. It is the employee who is giving you something

 

[rightwinger]

If a worker cannot support himself with what he is worth to an employer, then he either needs to get a second job, get more education, learn a skill, or go on the govt dole.

An employer is not obligated to provide what any worker claims to need to support himself.

Your entire narrative on this subject is marxist collectivist, just like your hero barry soetoro obama.

What is it that you don't get about freedom? the government is not your momma, the govt does not exist to ensure that you have a warm blanket and a chicken in your pot.

Well, I imagine in your society, people starve and children suffer. But I believe I live in the greatest country on earth and we are capable of looking after our least fortunate

Why should someone have to work for you and then have to beg in order to survive? He is your employee. Why are you dumping him off on society to take care of?

the price of labor should be set by supply and demand, just like anything else. If your skills are minimal then you get minimal pay, if you have a lot of skills, you get top pay.

Why should an employer go out of business in order to pay a low skilled employee a wage that should be reserved for a highly skilled employee?

Where does it say that an employer is required to support his employees?

No one is forced to work for any rate of pay.

You are mixing two topics with your left wing bullshit about "looking out for our least fortunate". Thats what charities and churches are for, and they do a much better job of it than the government.

Where are employers going out of business because of excessive wages? They are able to pay their low wages because you and I make up the difference

 

[The T]

Where in the world have you gotten the idea that someone HAS to work for someone?

Who told you this?

Is this serious?

.

Where in the WORLD do Statist Libtards get the idea that companies ONLY exist to give people jobs, and the EMPLOYEE dictates terms when they are not qualified to receive a payraise contrary to what the market dictates?

Nobody gives someone a job. They receive labor from which they derive profit. You make a profit off of every employee. It is the employee who is giving you something

DUH moment there sewerboy? Where is it written EMPLOYEES may demand a raise if they aren't qualified or the market won't support it?

DON"T like where you work? Got a raw deal? Seek employment elsewhere.

And NO...UNIONS aren't the answer either.

 

[Putt4eagle]

The key to minimum wage or not paying a living wage for your area is ....Who makes up the difference?

If you don't pay your workers a wage on which they can support themselves or their families, it is the taxpayer who steps in to pay housing subsidies, food stamps for medical care

THe business profits off of substandard wages and leaves it up to the taxpayer to make up the difference

If you have a family and have failed to garner the skills and talents sufficient to draw a wage greater than the minimum wage, you have failed at life. Take a year off, go back to school on any number of current federal programs that will provide you with training to drive a truck, wield a hammer, build a website or something. Given all the tax payer funded educational opportunity that is afforded every individual in this country, no one over the age of 19 should have the such a low skill threshold that they can not find work for more than the min.

 

[The T]

The key to minimum wage or not paying a living wage for your area is ....Who makes up the difference?

If you don't pay your workers a wage on which they can support themselves or their families, it is the taxpayer who steps in to pay housing subsidies, food stamps for medical care

THe business profits off of substandard wages and leaves it up to the taxpayer to make up the difference

If you have a family and have failed to garner the skills and talents sufficient to draw a wage greater than the minimum wage, you have failed at life. Take a year off, go back to school on any number of current federal programs that will provide you with training to drive a truck, wield a hammer, build a website or something. Given all the tax payer funded educational opportunity that is afforded every individual in this country, no one over the age of 19 should have the such a low skill threshold that they can not find work for more than the min.

Good advice with ONE caveat? WHY rely on Gubmint to provide it? Isn't that a personal decision/responsibility?

 

[rdean]

Republicans economic plan: Prosperity through lower wages.

No...prosperity through hard work at what the market dictates...NOT what some ungrateful asswipes demand.

You can work as hard as you want. Without an education, that hard work only pays minimum wage, if you are lucky.

 

[rdean]

The key to minimum wage or not paying a living wage for your area is ....Who makes up the difference?

If you don't pay your workers a wage on which they can support themselves or their families, it is the taxpayer who steps in to pay housing subsidies, food stamps for medical care

THe business profits off of substandard wages and leaves it up to the taxpayer to make up the difference

If you have a family and have failed to garner the skills and talents sufficient to draw a wage greater than the minimum wage, you have failed at life. Take a year off, go back to school on any number of current federal programs that will provide you with training to drive a truck, wield a hammer, build a website or something. Given all the tax payer funded educational opportunity that is afforded every individual in this country, no one over the age of 19 should have the such a low skill threshold that they can not find work for more than the min.

Good advice with ONE caveat? WHY rely on Gubmint to provide it? Isn't that a personal decision/responsibility?

Besides, Republicans have worked overtime to defund or cut every one of those programs they can. Remember Romney and we need to cut Police, Firemen and Teachers"? Remember that he wanted to bring immigrants who already have degrees here and help them get jobs? Remember Santorum and the Republican party will never have smart or elite people?

We pay taxes and hope to elect people into office that will organize our countries resources to be the most effective into keeping this a great country. Republicans want to tear it down. What else could it be?

 

[The T]

Republicans economic plan: Prosperity through lower wages.

No...prosperity through hard work at what the market dictates...NOT what some ungrateful asswipes demand.

You can work as hard as you want. Without an education, that hard work only pays minimum wage, if you are lucky.

Really? And whose responsibility is it FOR the Education? The Gubmint? Nope. The Individual...now isn't it?

 

[dblack]

I have a really hard time taking someone's views on economic policy seriously if they've advocated for minimum wage laws

 

[zeke]

Only a small percentage of workers make actual minimum wage. A much larger number makes a little above minimum wage.

How much difference does it really make if you are paid 8 bucks an hour vs 7.25?

And I really like the way you right wingers go after the low income folk. First you think low income people are your personal sworn enemy if they get welfare. Then when they go out and get a minimum wage job, ( the only job they qualify for) you think they are pieces of shit because they need food stamps to eat, then you say for them to just get a job paying more money while they work hard at their minimum wage jobs trying to survive. Then when they want to be paid enough money for their labor that they don't need food stamps, you all act like they are robbing YOU.

Poor people can't win with you rethugs. No matter how hard they work.

 

[The T]

I have a really hard time taking someone's views on economic policy seriously if they've advocated for minimum wage laws

Agreed. Market forces. FED needs to keep their noses out of it.

 

[zeke]

I have a really hard time taking someone's views on economic policy seriously if they've advocated for minimum wage laws

Agreed. Market forces. FED needs to keep their noses out of it.

That's just what the fast food workers are doing now. Using labor market forces to effect their labor market rate. Why hell, they might even form or join a union to represent their interests in the market.
I'm sure you support union representation for labor? Labor, being just another "commodity" needs to be professionally represented for both the benefit of the company and the worker.

 

[thereisnospoon]

A business owner is able to get workers at substandard rates because the taxpayer is subsidizing his employees. He's has no right to a profit at taxpayers expense
The claims of going out of business and raging inflation if minimum wages are raised never come to fruition. If all your competition also has to raise their wages you still have a level playing field

Just a minute. Who said these wages were substandard?
And stop with the 'taxpayer' argument. That's deflection.
It is obvious you have no experience owning or operating a small business that employs low or no skill workers.
No business does claim a right to profit. That's true. But government or sympathetic to the cause liberals have no right denying the business the right to make an attempt at profitability.

It is not a deflection. If you pay a salary that your workers can't support themselves, the taxpayer is making up the difference
Your business is a drain on the local economy and the taxpayer is subsidizing your unwarranted profits

In fact, that welfare is going to support your business and your profits

Nonsense. Entry level occupations are not intended for 'support'. These jobs are merely a stepping stone to other employment.
Question.. Should a rookie police officer be paid the same as the Police Chief?
Should the guy who sweeps the floors or cleans the bathrooms in an auto plant be paid the same as the engineers who design the cars?
If you think your intelligent enough to outsmart the laws of economics here's an idea.
Scrape together some money, buy a fast food franchise and pay your least experienced people $15 or $20 per hour. Let us know how it works out for you?

 

[thereisnospoon]

It is not a deflection. If you pay a salary that your workers can't support themselves, the taxpayer is making up the difference
Your business is a drain on the local economy and the taxpayer is subsidizing your unwarranted profits

In fact, that welfare is going to support your business and your profits

If a worker cannot support himself with what he is worth to an employer, then he either needs to get a second job, get more education, learn a skill, or go on the govt dole.

An employer is not obligated to provide what any worker claims to need to support himself.

Your entire narrative on this subject is marxist collectivist, just like your hero barry soetoro obama.

What is it that you don't get about freedom? the government is not your momma, the govt does not exist to ensure that you have a warm blanket and a chicken in your pot.

Well, I imagine in your society, people starve and children suffer. But I believe I live in the greatest country on earth and we are capable of looking after our least fortunate

Why should someone have to work for you and then have to beg in order to survive? He is your employee. Why are you dumping him off on society to take care of?

If everyone is so capable of looking after the less fortunate, then why are you asking others to do what you should be doing. Start writing checks.
The indigent poor, those who cannot work, the physically and mentally disabled are those who deserve our attention as those who get help.
If one can work, they should. If they work it is their responsibility to improve their skill set so that they can become more valuable to their employer or they may take their skills to a new employer...Better still, become business owners themselves.
And one last thing. No one "has" to work for anyone they do not wish.
That's one of the options we have as free people.

 

[dblack]

And one last thing. No one "has" to work for anyone they do not wish.
That's one of the options we have as free people.

Wonder how long that will last?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Where in the world have you gotten the idea that someone HAS to work for someone?

Who told you this?

Is this serious?

.

Where in the WORLD do Statist Libtards get the idea that companies ONLY exist to give people jobs, and the EMPLOYEE dictates terms when they are not qualified to receive a payraise contrary to what the market dictates?

Nobody gives someone a job. They receive labor from which they derive profit. You make a profit off of every employee. It is the employee who is giving you something

WRONG....The employer/employee relationship is an agreement.
That agreement is the employee meets the requirements of the job for which he or she is applying. The employee agrees to the tasks of the job at the rate specified and agreed to by both parties. The employer agrees to compensate the employee for the completion of assigned tasks. Those include, performance of the job, perfect attendance, arriving at a specified time to begin a shift and be ready to work at the time specified.
There is no "giving"....
BTW, most low level employees perform their jobs at best break even for the employer. It is only the more skilled and more efficient employees from which the employer turns profit. And with those additional skills be they physical or supervisory, comes a higher rate of compensation.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And one last thing. No one "has" to work for anyone they do not wish.
That's one of the options we have as free people.

Wonder how long that will last?

Please elaborate.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Well, I imagine in your society, people starve and children suffer. But I believe I live in the greatest country on earth and we are capable of looking after our least fortunate

Why should someone have to work for you and then have to beg in order to survive? He is your employee. Why are you dumping him off on society to take care of?

the price of labor should be set by supply and demand, just like anything else. If your skills are minimal then you get minimal pay, if you have a lot of skills, you get top pay.

Why should an employer go out of business in order to pay a low skilled employee a wage that should be reserved for a highly skilled employee?

Where does it say that an employer is required to support his employees?

No one is forced to work for any rate of pay.

You are mixing two topics with your left wing bullshit about "looking out for our least fortunate". Thats what charities and churches are for, and they do a much better job of it than the government.

Where are employers going out of business because of excessive wages? They are able to pay their low wages because you and I make up the difference

That's just it. No employer worth his salt would set his rates of compensation that exceed the market rate nor would they pay their employees more than the job is worth.

 

[dblack]

And one last thing. No one "has" to work for anyone they do not wish.
That's one of the options we have as free people.

Wonder how long that will last?

Please elaborate.

Maybe I'm just in a pessimistic mood, but with government mandating every other thing under the sun, how long before they're telling us which jobs to take?

 

[dblack]

For the collective good.