Progressives Destroy Family of 12

[The2ndAmendment]

The OP and the 4 people who voted yes in the poll - Did any of them explain what progressives have to do with this Republican backwater in Kentucky?

Big Federal CPS Gov decided to kidnap a conservative family.

 

[Pogo]

The OP and the 4 people who voted yes in the poll - Did any of them explain what progressives have to do with this Republican backwater in Kentucky?

Big Federal CPS Gov decided to kidnap a conservative family.

Federal?

Conservative?

Make a lot of leaps?

Oh wait, how 'bout "destroy"?

 

[Pogo]

Nobody tried to "swat the story down". .

welcome back to ignore. talk away

btw, Alex Jones is watched by more than four people every day, the same cannot be said of CNN/MSNBC/slate/mediamatters combined.

We are the mainsteam media now, not you.

It's good to know four people are watching the radio. More power to 'em.
But I have no connection with any of those media outlets.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

The OP and the 4 people who voted yes in the poll - Did any of them explain what progressives have to do with this Republican backwater in Kentucky?

Big Federal CPS Gov decided to kidnap a conservative family.

Federal?

Conservative?

Make a lot of leaps?

Oh wait, how 'bout "destroy"?

He DID say it was progressives who "destroyed" this bunch of backward rednecks.

I wonder how much they've fleeced the gullible for by now?

The2ndAmendment and other fundie fools - How much did you send them?

 

[Pogo]

The OP and the 4 people who voted yes in the poll - Did any of them explain what progressives have to do with this Republican backwater in Kentucky?

Big Federal CPS Gov decided to kidnap a conservative family.

Federal?

Conservative?

Make a lot of leaps?

Oh wait, how 'bout "destroy"?

He DID say it was progressives who "destroyed" this bunch of backward rednecks.

I wonder how much they've fleeced the gullible for by now?

The2ndAmendment and other fundie fools - How much did you send them?

Hmm... here he said "Federal", and before he said "Progressives"...
Federal Progressive....

Is he saying Teddy Roosevelt Destroyed a family??

 

[bodecea]

Nobody tried to "swat the story down". .

welcome back to ignore. talk away

btw, Alex Jones is watched by more than four people every day, the same cannot be said of CNN/MSNBC/slate/mediamatters combined.

We are the mainsteam media now, not you.

Alex Jones is watched by more than four people every day. Is that some kind of glowing recommendation of his truthiness?

 

[Pogo]

Anyone else able to get the audio on the first link? It won't play for me...

Not sure which link you mean but I had a page with three audio clips on it (it won't load anymore, gives me an error message). I was able to hear most of the first one. Sounds like she had a voice recorder going during a lengthy conversation with the officer (about 15 minutes). The went on and on rehashing something about what the court might do if they didn't comply (with what was unclear) and the nature of what his job is to check out complaints. She said they were "trespassing" on the property and noted the no trespassing signs. At one point she calls her children to the door to show the officer that they're there (apparently) and asks them if they want to talk to him. Apparently they decline as their voices aren't heard.

In the course of that conversation she asks him the nature of the complaint to which he's responding and he describes an incident of apparent threat with a firearm. Seems her husband had been somewhere (I don't recall where) and was told he was not welcome, at which point the husband instructed the son to go to the truck and get the gun. So that might be the basis here.

He made no mention of homeschooling or 'living off the grid' in the complaint. She brought it up several times, as if to suggest it was a factor, and he only said he personally thought it was "kinda cool".

My only other observation is that she seems to have no local accent. He certainly does.


Here's another view from a commenter on the "off the grid news" page:

We love to use trigger words to sensationalize stories ultimately distracting from the truth/reason for occurrence. It was indicated that the housing unit, supporting 12 individuals (with apparently a 13th on the way,) was 384 sq ft with NO running water. The article misleads the reader by making statements such as, “10 kids in a cabin on 26 acres” and “they have Internet, as well as a Facebook page dating back to 2012.”

The article conveniently uses the acreage number (26) to imply the cabin size is larger than it’s [sic] actual dimensions. Additionally, the article paints a picture of normality simply by mentioning the families Facebook account, dating back 3 years. Let’s hope the internet bill wasn’t the reason for an insufficient clean/consistent water supply (sorry, poor humor on my end). The above living situation was more than likely the cause, not homeschooling. Even the local Amish, off-grid homeschooling community, have running water and sufficient space for their 16 plus size families.

... Personal opinion pieces litter the internet distracting the reader from the basic fact that the living conditions were not being provided to the children. Yes, the family had a Facebook account that showed how ‘happy’ they always were. Don’t we all have a Facebook that shows only the brightest and best of ourselves and families? Again, I would love to see the official arrest record, not personal opinion pieces.
​

So there's that...

Furthermore the other comment entries on that page are pretty interesting, particularly the last one, which depicts the family living in feces, staging falls in the supermarket, threatening people with guns, and generally playing Professional Victim, which was very much the tone I heard in the woman's voice on the audio recording (before I read that).

Then there's this, from the PoliceStateDaily comments page, reportedly posted on Nosebook by the woman:

 

[Annie]

I found a link which seems to be a local news: Off-grid couple faces hearing to regain custody of 10 children - wave3.com-Louisville News Weather Sports

It certainly isn't as the family has stated.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

*four million people. and it's easily verified.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

I found a link which seems to be a local news: Off-grid couple faces hearing to regain custody of 10 children - wave3.com-Louisville News Weather Sports

It certainly isn't as the family has stated.

It certainly is:
Guess we're going to have to take all the kids away from Amish parents too!

“You are standing the chance of having your children removed,” Pate said.

Naugler: For what, under what grounds?
Pate: Let me just finish...
Naugler: For what, for not complying?
Naugler: I have constitutional rights, I have rights as a parent and my children won't speak to anybody without my permission, without an attorney or a lawyer.

The recordings detail several minutes of similar discourse. Pate warned Naugler she faced felony charges of interference and could lose custody by court order if she continued to deny CPS access to question her children.

The confrontations would end with both parties yelling and Naugler in cuffs.

Pate: Ma'am, sit down!
Naugler: You cannot kidnap my son!
Pate: You're gonna be under arrest.
Naugler: You can shoot me dead--but you won't kidnap my son!
Naugler: Ma'am, you need to sit down in that car!
Naugler: Shoot me!

 

[Annie]

I found a link which seems to be a local news: Off-grid couple faces hearing to regain custody of 10 children - wave3.com-Louisville News Weather Sports

It certainly isn't as the family has stated.

It certainly is:
Guess we're going to have to take all the kids away from Amish parents too!

“You are standing the chance of having your children removed,” Pate said.

Naugler: For what, under what grounds?
Pate: Let me just finish...
Naugler: For what, for not complying?
Naugler: I have constitutional rights, I have rights as a parent and my children won't speak to anybody without my permission, without an attorney or a lawyer.

The recordings detail several minutes of similar discourse. Pate warned Naugler she faced felony charges of interference and could lose custody by court order if she continued to deny CPS access to question her children.

The confrontations would end with both parties yelling and Naugler in cuffs.

Pate: Ma'am, sit down!
Naugler: You cannot kidnap my son!
Pate: You're gonna be under arrest.
Naugler: You can shoot me dead--but you won't kidnap my son!
Naugler: Ma'am, you need to sit down in that car!
Naugler: Shoot me!

Did you read the article? She knew she was recording the confrontation, keep that in mind.

I'm very pro-homeschooling, though have mega doubts about 'unschooling movement.' Yet, my problem with this hasn't anything to do with education at this point, but the idea that the father said for the son to get a gun, when turned down for potable water from a neighbor.

The 'housing' does not look ok for habitation. Someone should be checking on those kids. Maybe it's all okey dokey, but it sure doesn't look like it.

 

[Pogo]

I found a link which seems to be a local news: Off-grid couple faces hearing to regain custody of 10 children - wave3.com-Louisville News Weather Sports

It certainly isn't as the family has stated.

Thanks Annie. Good work.
The story supports both the no-running-water comment and the Sheriff's mention of the gun-threat incident:

The Nauglers have depended upon neighbors' private wells or municipal hookups for their drinking water. A confrontation Sunday prompted a criminal summons for Joe Naugler on a charge of menacing.

“(Naugler) was turned down for the water request and asked to leave the property,” the summons read. “He then said to his son ‘get the pistol out of the glove compartment box.'”

WAVE 3 News has withheld the complainant's name at her request.

“He (Naugler) was acting very erratically,” the complainant said in a telephone interview Friday. “He was calling us names that I have to spell out, I can't even say 'em. And he said ‘don't worry, I know where you live, and I'm gonna be back.'”

Sheriff Todd Pate wanted to talk to two of Naugler sons, who reportedly witnessed the water confrontation, when he served the summons Wednesday.

​

 

[The2ndAmendment]

but the idea that the father said for the son to get a gun, when turned down for potable water from a neighbor.

The 'housing' does not look ok for habitation. Someone should be checking on those kids. Maybe it's all okey dokey, but it sure doesn't look like it.

Sounds like some good MSM character assassination.

You know, Eric Gardener was evil for selling cigareets, and Cliven Bundy was an evil racist for defending his land alongside 4 black militia man, and the white dude whose face was ripped off by a police dog for burning trash in can --- he was evil too.

The government is God and all who they crush are evil!

Also where's the arrest/conviction on that hearsay character assassination the MSM through out there to cover the government's ass?

I think the MSM and yourself should be held to same rigorous standard that I was at the start of this thread, prove your claim, show us an arrest record or conviction in relation to that attack on his character.

Even if that was true, why not just arrest the father and leave the kids with the mother

Prove your claim, like I was made to.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Did you read the article? She knew she was recording the confrontation, keep that in mind.

Oh no, she's also one of those evil troublemakers that records the police!

True Fact: I always got my camera-man filming me when I hand out Jury Nullification Fliers on the court steps since the police get really fucking scary every time I do it.

I admit, I wussed out the first time since I had no footage of the altercation. Too bad for the young men that got convicted for possessing marijuana that day.

 

[Annie]

but the idea that the father said for the son to get a gun, when turned down for potable water from a neighbor.

The 'housing' does not look ok for habitation. Someone should be checking on those kids. Maybe it's all okey dokey, but it sure doesn't look like it.

Sounds like some good MSM character assassination.

You know, Eric Gardener was evil for selling cigareets, and Cliven Bundy was an evil racist for defending his land alongside 4 black militia man, and the white dude whose face was ripped off by a police dog for burning trash in can --- he was evil too.

The government is God and all who they crush are evil!

Also where's the arrest/conviction on that hearsay character assassination the MSM through out there to cover the government's ass?

I'm usually one of the first to speak out about government over reach, i.e. the police picking up kids that are at a park or walking their neighborhoods, aka free range.

Personally, I didn't use corporal punishment on my children, but have a serious problem with how quickly outsiders are able to disrupt parents disciplining children. Granted abuse isn't disciplining, but a spanking or even a slap aren't by nature abuse.

I've been a teacher in both private and parochial schools, if my kids were young (or we all were), I'd homeschool. They all managed to finish universities and are gainfully employed, 2 with kids.

This appears though to be a real possibility of abuse/neglect.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Facebook page photos reveal tarps cover the wood framing that serves as the family's quarters. No wired electricity; only generators. No running water. No toilets; only shallow latrines or slop buckets.

The Nauglers have depended upon neighbors' private wells or municipal hookups for their drinking water. A confrontation Sunday prompted a criminal summons for Joe Naugler on a charge of menacing.

“(Naugler) was turned down for the water request and asked to leave the property,” the summons read. “He then said to his son ‘get the pistol out of the glove compartment box.'”

“He (Naugler) was acting very erratically,” the complainant said in a telephone interview Friday. “He was calling us names that I have to spell out, I can't even say 'em. And he said ‘don't worry, I know where you live, and I'm gonna be back.'”

Living off of the hard work of others and threatening home ownners in order to steal their water.

Yep. Good christians and the obvious heroes of nutter RWs.

Anybody wanna bet it will come out that they're squatters and getting govt assistance. BET ON IT.

But hey, apparently they DID hose down the spawn for the SEND MONEY photo op.

 

[Annie]

Did you read the article? She knew she was recording the confrontation, keep that in mind.

Oh no, she's also one of those evil troublemakers that records the police!

True Fact: I always got my camera-man filming me when I hand out Jury Nullification Fliers on the court steps since the police get really fucking scary every time I do it.

I admit, I wussed out the first time since I had no footage of the altercation. Too bad for the young men that got convicted for possessing marijuana that day.

I am very much in favor, as is the Constitution, of allowing the video recording of police or any public servants. Depending on the state though, audio is not always legal, though I don't know the rationale behind that. What I was bringing up is that her 'statements' with the police might just have been made to create the impressions they are now possibly trying to capitalize on.

I'm not saying that they are lying or trying to make money off of all this, just that it doesn't appear to be as they are trying to project it.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

but the idea that the father said for the son to get a gun, when turned down for potable water from a neighbor.

The 'housing' does not look ok for habitation. Someone should be checking on those kids. Maybe it's all okey dokey, but it sure doesn't look like it.

Sounds like some good MSM character assassination.

You know, Eric Gardener was evil for selling cigareets, and Cliven Bundy was an evil racist for defending his land alongside 4 black militia man, and the white dude whose face was ripped off by a police dog for burning trash in can --- he was evil too.

The government is God and all who they crush are evil!

Also where's the arrest/conviction on that hearsay character assassination the MSM through out there to cover the government's ass?

I'm usually one of the first to speak out about government over reach, i.e. the police picking up kids that are at a park or walking their neighborhoods, aka free range.

Personally, I didn't use corporal punishment on my children, but have a serious problem with how quickly outsiders are able to disrupt parents disciplining children. Granted abuse isn't disciplining, but a spanking or even a slap aren't by nature abuse.

I've been a teacher in both private and parochial schools, if my kids were young (or we all were), I'd homeschool. They all managed to finish universities and are gainfully employed, 2 with kids.

This appears though to be a real possibility of abuse/neglect.

I agree that CPS is very often misguided, probably because of over work and under funding as much as anything else.

I also think that kids should be able to walk home from school or be with friends in parks - within reason. This charging parents with a crime for their kids being away from home often seems excessive.

The link you posted sounds very much like third world conditions though and the parents may well be loony tunes.

 

[Darkwind]

Sounds suspiciously like a cash for kids government scheme.

CPS has a lucrative thing going by taking kids away from parents for money.

 

[Gracie]

10 kids means money for the schools. They get paid PER HEAD. They could care less about anything else. All they see is $$$$$$.