Progressives Killed Eric Garner

[StevenC]

Here is a good Opinion piece.

Blame only the man who tragically decided to resist New York Post

"First, while “chokeholds” are banned by NYPD regulation, they’re not illegal under state law when used by a cop during a lawful arrest. So much for criminal charges, given that nobody seriously disputes the legitimacy of the arrest."

"Finally, there is this: There were 228,000 misdemeanor arrests in New York City in 2013, the last year for which there are audited figures, and every one of them had at least the potential to turn into an Eric Garner-like case."

None of which absolves the officer of his responsibility to obey department policy. He should be fired.

No he shouldn't. He was enforcing the laws created by moronic legislators.

 

[billyerock1991]

It's true.
What was the "root cause" of police approaching Garner? He was illegally selling untaxed cigarettes.
Now, NY has raised taxes on cigarettes, a favored progressive cause, to unbelievable levels. And of course that invites activity to skirt the tax in any way. The simplest is to load up a van in NC, where the tax is low, drive the cigs to NY, where the tax is high, and sell them. They are like arbitragers.
Garner was simply responding to incentives put out by progressives and their insane tax policies and selling cigs to earn a living. But the result was an unforutnate encounter and his death. Better tax policies in NY would have left this man alive.

I think there should be a 50.Dollar tax on ever cigarett

 

[Discombobulated]

Here is a good Opinion piece.

Blame only the man who tragically decided to resist New York Post

"First, while “chokeholds” are banned by NYPD regulation, they’re not illegal under state law when used by a cop during a lawful arrest. So much for criminal charges, given that nobody seriously disputes the legitimacy of the arrest."

"Finally, there is this: There were 228,000 misdemeanor arrests in New York City in 2013, the last year for which there are audited figures, and every one of them had at least the potential to turn into an Eric Garner-like case."

None of which absolves the officer of his responsibility to obey department policy. He should be fired.

No he shouldn't. He was enforcing the laws created by moronic legislators.

I'm afraid you've strayed from reasonable argument into rhetorical nonsense.

 

[billyerock1991]

It's true.
What was the "root cause" of police approaching Garner? He was illegally selling untaxed cigarettes.
Now, NY has raised taxes on cigarettes, a favored progressive cause, to unbelievable levels. And of course that invites activity to skirt the tax in any way. The simplest is to load up a van in NC, where the tax is low, drive the cigs to NY, where the tax is high, and sell them. They are like arbitragers.
Garner was simply responding to incentives put out by progressives and their insane tax policies and selling cigs to earn a living. But the result was an unforutnate encounter and his death. Better tax policies in NY would have left this man alive.

so in your opinion it was ok for the cop to kill him

 

[Little-Acorn]

Don't you sane people out there just love it when the RWnuts have to twist themselves into a mental pretzel trying to find some way to blame liberals for everything?

TRANSLATION: I can't refute anything the OP said. But I hate it anyway, so I'll ignore the details, call it names, attack the messenger, and call them names too. And maybe I can get somebody to believe me instead.

 

[g5000]

Now, NY has raised taxes on cigarettes, a favored progressive cause

Raising the cigarette tax is a favored progressive cause, eh?

Jindal tax plan would raise state sales tax rate to 5.88 percent

Part of Jindal's tax plan:

The proposal also calls for increasing the state's cigarette tax from 36 cents to $1.41 per pack.

Moving on to that bastion of Liberalism, the socialist state of Arizona:

Indeed, it's no surprise that the public in Arizona would favor a cigarette tax increase above all else. On at least two prior occasions (Prop 200 in 1994 and Prop 303 in 2002), Arizona voters approved increases in the state's cigarette tax.

This time, however, voters would not only be approving an increase in the state cigarette tax (from the current rate of $1.18 per pack to a new rate of $1.98 per pack) as well as increases in other tobacco products, but they would also approve the creation of a special "board" that would determine how the funds generated (~$150 million per year) would be spent. This board would be appointed by the governor and approved by the legislature.

Arizona is Hooked on Cigarette Tax Revenue Tax Foundation

 

[SwimExpert]

Eric Garner DID commit suicide.by failing to comply with the commands of the NYPD officers on the scene.

So, a police officer uses excessive force to investigate a meaninglessly minor offense, and it's the victim's fault that he died?

Statist fucks like you are what's destroying this country.

 

[StevenC]

Here is a good Opinion piece.

Blame only the man who tragically decided to resist New York Post

"First, while “chokeholds” are banned by NYPD regulation, they’re not illegal under state law when used by a cop during a lawful arrest. So much for criminal charges, given that nobody seriously disputes the legitimacy of the arrest."

"Finally, there is this: There were 228,000 misdemeanor arrests in New York City in 2013, the last year for which there are audited figures, and every one of them had at least the potential to turn into an Eric Garner-like case."

None of which absolves the officer of his responsibility to obey department policy. He should be fired.

No he shouldn't. He was enforcing the laws created by moronic legislators.

I'm afraid you've strayed from reasonable argument into rhetorical nonsense.

In your opinion. I believe I am using common sense. Something Garner should have used considering his poor health. Heart disease, asthma and diabetes. The guy was halfway in the grave already. His refusal to just let himself be arrested is what caused his death. The idiotic laws created by idiotic legislators created the situation that lead to his death.

 

[Discombobulated]

[The choke hold is legal in New York, which means the officer won't be criminally liable. He is however obliged to follow all department policies as a condition for employment. He should be fired.

For what? Again, the hold he used is acceptable under NYPD policy which bans a specific hold, no choke holds in general

Thus officer should get a commendation, just like Officer Wilson..... for ridding the streets of another criminal; permanently.

[The choke hold is legal in New York, which means the officer won't be criminally liable. He is however obliged to follow all department policies as a condition for employment. He should be fired.

For what? Again, the hold he used is acceptable under NYPD policy which bans a specific hold, no choke holds in general

Thus officer should get a commendation, just like Officer Wilson..... for ridding the streets of another criminal; permanently.

There are no acceptable choke holds in the NYPD. All choke holds are expressly forbidden by department policy.

 

[StevenC]

Eric Garner DID commit suicide.by failing to comply with the commands of the NYPD officers on the scene.

So, a police officer uses excessive force to investigate a meaninglessly minor offense, and it's the victim's fault that he died?

Statist fucks like you are what's destroying this country.

How do you know it was excessive? Have you ever tried to bring down another person. A regular sized person can put up a good struggle. A 6'3" 350lb man a major challenge.

 

[g5000]

Selling loosies, being extremely obese. Those factors are on Garner.

Beating down a guy committing a misdemeanor. That's on the cops.

In a large city, sooner or later bad factors will coincide disastrously.

 

[Discombobulated]

Here is a good Opinion piece.

Blame only the man who tragically decided to resist New York Post

"First, while “chokeholds” are banned by NYPD regulation, they’re not illegal under state law when used by a cop during a lawful arrest. So much for criminal charges, given that nobody seriously disputes the legitimacy of the arrest."

"Finally, there is this: There were 228,000 misdemeanor arrests in New York City in 2013, the last year for which there are audited figures, and every one of them had at least the potential to turn into an Eric Garner-like case."

None of which absolves the officer of his responsibility to obey department policy. He should be fired.

No he shouldn't. He was enforcing the laws created by moronic legislators.

I'm afraid you've strayed from reasonable argument into rhetorical nonsense.

In your opinion. I believe I am using common sense. Something Garner should have used considering his poor health. Heart disease, asthma and diabetes. The guy was halfway in the grave already. His refusal to just let himself be arrested is what caused his death. The idiotic laws created by idiotic legislators created the situation that lead to his death.

If we follow your logic perhaps the incredible stupidity you display now will eventually cause you to become completely and permanently retarded.

 

[Jarhead]

Eric Garner DID commit suicide.by failing to comply with the commands of the NYPD officers on the scene. At that point any negative outcome was his own fault.

I say this as an individual who truly expects to see his life end at the hands of LEOs, but when you resist an officer or fail to comply with commands, you have to expect the worst response (for you) possible.

The choke hold is clearly against NYPD policy, the officer in question should be fired.

It was not a choke hold. That is what the media refers it to....and progressives jumped on it.

A choke hold is when you hold someone to the point where they can not breathe.

The man continually said "I cant breathe"....

If one cant breathe, one can not say they cant breathe....thus the reason for the universal sign of choking...it is the only way a choking person can say they are choking.

It was not a choke hold. It was a wrestling hold commonly known as a half nelson.

The media makes the intelligent, like you, look stupid.

 

[mdk]

Using this standard means Washington and Hamilton are responsible for the deaths during the Whiskey Rebellion. What utter poppycock.

 

[Anathema]

[There are no acceptable choke holds in the NYPD. All choke holds are expressly forbidden by department policy.

Then that's a department no sane officer should ever work for.

 

[Anathema]

So, a police officer uses excessive force to investigate a meaninglessly minor offense, and it's the victim's fault that he died?

Statist fucks like you are what's destroying this country.

If you resist you get what you deserve. Don't give the cops a reason to bother you.

 

[g5000]

Eric Garner DID commit suicide.by failing to comply with the commands of the NYPD officers on the scene. At that point any negative outcome was his own fault.

I say this as an individual who truly expects to see his life end at the hands of LEOs, but when you resist an officer or fail to comply with commands, you have to expect the worst response (for you) possible.

The choke hold is clearly against NYPD policy, the officer in question should be fired.

It was not a choke hold. That is what the media refers it to....and progressives jumped on it.

A choke hold is when you hold someone to the point where they can not breathe.

The man continually said "I cant breathe"....

If one cant breathe, one can not say they cant breathe....thus the reason for the universal sign of choking...it is the only way a choking person can say they are choking.

Garner could not give the universal sign for choking since he was not upright. Also, his hands were being held and he was pinned.

If you listen to him saying, "I can't breathe", he says it more and more weakly until he stops and expires.

 

[Discombobulated]

Eric Garner DID commit suicide.by failing to comply with the commands of the NYPD officers on the scene. At that point any negative outcome was his own fault.

I say this as an individual who truly expects to see his life end at the hands of LEOs, but when you resist an officer or fail to comply with commands, you have to expect the worst response (for you) possible.

The choke hold is clearly against NYPD policy, the officer in question should be fired.

It was not a choke hold. That is what the media refers it to....and progressives jumped on it.

A choke hold is when you hold someone to the point where they can not breathe.

The man continually said "I cant breathe"....

If one cant breathe, one can not say they cant breathe....thus the reason for the universal sign of choking...it is the only way a choking person can say they are choking.

It was not a choke hold. It was a wrestling hold commonly known as a half nelson.

The media makes the intelligent, like you, look stupid.

Maybe you just forgot to watch the video.

 

[Discombobulated]

[There are no acceptable choke holds in the NYPD. All choke holds are expressly forbidden by department policy.

Then that's a department no sane officer should ever work for.

Why are you even commenting when you obviously don't know anything?

 

[g5000]

How do you know it was excessive? Have you ever tried to bring down another person. A regular sized person can put up a good struggle. A 6'3" 350lb man a major challenge.

While it is true that it is difficult to get a fat man down, it is even harder for that fat man to get up once he is down. There is no need to pile on him and choke him after he is down.