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The question is what are you going to replace corporations and capitalism with? Straightforward to the point. Now answer it?
It's a straw man because neither I nor anyone else has proposed eliminating corporations or capitalism. All you have done is rephrased the same straw-man question you asked earlier. It's just as stupid worded this way.
The question is what are you going to replace corporations and capitalism with? Straightforward to the point. Now answer it?
It's a straw man because neither I nor anyone else has proposed eliminating corporations or capitalism. All you have done is rephrased the same straw-man question you asked earlier. It's just as stupid worded this way.
Okay, How are you going to CHANGE capitalism? what's yer plan?
I could give you my own ideas, and have done so elsewhere in this forum, but you're asking about the leftist insurgency generally rather than me, so I'll refer you to begin with to the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City. Think of this as a list of grievances similar to those in the Declaration of Independence (on which it may have been patterned):
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly
"They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of ones skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save peoples lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts."
Do otherwise than all of the above, for starters.
I can get more economics-technical for you if you like, but there's no evidence I can see from any of your posts that you would understand it, so for the moment I'll let this speak for itself.
Go smoke another fatty....
What is your proposal?
What is your proposal?
About what?
And by the way, no, this is YOUR last chance. A failure to recognize that you've asked a straw-man question and rephrasing it as a real one, will convince me you are a complete troll not worth bothering with (as indeed many have said of you), and you will go on ignore.
What is your proposal?
About what?
And by the way, no, this is YOUR last chance. A failure to recognize that you've asked a straw-man question and rephrasing it as a real one, will convince me you are a complete troll not worth bothering with (as indeed many have said of you), and you will go on ignore.
Do you really believe that crap?
Might you have a real poll that shows that Americans are really as lazy as those people are?
They're hardly lazy, but sure.
Before I present the polls, please check this out for clarification of what OWS's grievances are: Occupy Wall Street Manifesto | vegasmike433 on Xanga
On foreclosure: Views on Government Aid Depend on the Program
(I may refer to this poll again on other issues. Specifically, note the support for a jobs program.)
On bonuses to CEOs, especially those whose companies received bailout money: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Mar09b-AIG.pdf
On unions and the right to collective bargaining: Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights - USATODAY.com
On raising taxes on the rich: Americans Favor Jobs Plan Proposals, Including Taxing Rich
On corporate donations to politicians and the Citizens United decision: Poll: Large majority opposes Supreme Court's decision on campaign financing
These are just a few points that I could easily find polls for, but as you can see, many of the grievances listed by OWS have widespread public support. I'm not sure quite 100% of them do (not at all sure how most people feel about cruelty to farm animals for example), but the core issues do.
What is your proposal?
About what?
And by the way, no, this is YOUR last chance. A failure to recognize that you've asked a straw-man question and rephrasing it as a real one, will convince me you are a complete troll not worth bothering with (as indeed many have said of you), and you will go on ignore.
Do you support capitalism, socialism or the failure of a "mixed economy" aka Keynesian economics.
Pending but threatening to destroy the brainwashing.Tell us dear, what are you going to replace capitalism with? Ya got a plan?
Tell me, dear, was it a lot of work stuffing all that straw into that straw man? How long did it take you?
The question's still pending....
About what?
And by the way, no, this is YOUR last chance. A failure to recognize that you've asked a straw-man question and rephrasing it as a real one, will convince me you are a complete troll not worth bothering with (as indeed many have said of you), and you will go on ignore.
Do you support capitalism, socialism or the failure of a "mixed economy" aka Keynesian economics.
the only thing he supports is kool aid drinking ideology and someone else has to pay for his kool aid.
Oops, the goldfish has made it around the bowl once and doesn't remember what just happened.
Do you support capitalism, socialism or the failure of a "mixed economy" aka Keynesian economics.
the only thing he supports is kool aid drinking ideology and someone else has to pay for his kool aid.
Yep, they/he/she favors whatever model gives them more than they pay in taxes (if anything).
They're fucking ignorant losers, and I'm not shocked they're ignorant to our economic problems... They pay less to the government in which they receive - that tapped out the government and they expect the government to tax people more so the government can continue to give them free programs..
They're ignorant lazy little pukes...
They're addicted to handouts because they're either a) lazy or b) stupid...
The sooner they realize the fact they're retards and need to learn a skill there is a demand for the better..
But that would be like expecting an apple to grow legs and walk...
Apparently it's your goal. So what comes next oh wise one?then what's yer point?
It's not possible to change capitalism as it's currently practiced without eradicating it altogether? Is that what you believe?
As Glenn Beck pointed out today. Ever wonder how so many poor protesters can afford Apples? Seems like almost all of them had one in which to capture video and stream it live.the only thing he supports is kool aid drinking ideology and someone else has to pay for his kool aid.
Yep, they/he/she favors whatever model gives them more than they pay in taxes (if anything).
They're fucking ignorant losers, and I'm not shocked they're ignorant to our economic problems... They pay less to the government in which they receive - that tapped out the government and they expect the government to tax people more so the government can continue to give them free programs..
They're ignorant lazy little pukes...
They're addicted to handouts because they're either a) lazy or b) stupid...
The sooner they realize the fact they're retards and need to learn a skill there is a demand for the better..
But that would be like expecting an apple to grow legs and walk...
Speaking of apples... I bet Apple is their twitter god.. know what I mean?
Pending but threatening to destroy the brainwashing.Tell me, dear, was it a lot of work stuffing all that straw into that straw man? How long did it take you?
The question's still pending....
What specifically WILL you replace the system with?
Capitalism doesn't work in your mind. History shows central planning doesn't work. So... What's left?
"nor can you spell"
I stopped punctuation a few weeks ago, however I wouldn't call punctuation "spelling" you ignorant motherfucker.
Of course you think I need "help" because I don't think like your authoritarian punk ass..
You're a Maoist loser that does as it's told...
You are the ignorant jackass that spelled the two words, Oh really -- as O'rilly. I can't help the fact that you are an idiot through and through.
I think you need help because I happen to be on your side on most issues and you are completely unable to intellectualize that. You are nothing short of an idiot which has been pointed out to you many times.
Immie
You claim I can't spell because I used a euphemism?
Then you call me an idiot but you claim you agree with the "idiot" on most issues?
How about you go your way and you can continue to agree with this idiot?
Good compromise?
Sounds like the soviet goals from 1963 warmed, up re hashed and served with a side of useful idiot fries and dumbass shake.Okay, How are you going to CHANGE capitalism? what's yer plan?
I could give you my own ideas, and have done so elsewhere in this forum, but you're asking about the leftist insurgency generally rather than me, so I'll refer you to begin with to the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City. Think of this as a list of grievances similar to those in the Declaration of Independence (on which it may have been patterned):
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly
"They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of ones skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save peoples lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts."
Do otherwise than all of the above, for starters.
I can get more economics-technical for you if you like, but there's no evidence I can see from any of your posts that you would understand it, so for the moment I'll let this speak for itself.
There is only a few places for the government in capitalism:Pending but threatening to destroy the brainwashing.The question's still pending....
What specifically WILL you replace the system with?
Capitalism doesn't work in your mind. History shows central planning doesn't work. So... What's left?
capitalism works when the governments keep their greedy hands off of the model.
Socialism is thievery, and violates property rights - especially the farmers.
History has proven government dictation of economies is lethal...
Socialism is lethal...
