Progressives Launching 'October Offensive' To Rival Tea Party

[Cecilie1200]

Okay, How are you going to CHANGE capitalism? what's yer plan?

I could give you my own ideas, and have done so elsewhere in this forum, but you're asking about the leftist insurgency generally rather than me, so I'll refer you to begin with to the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City. Think of this as a list of grievances similar to those in the Declaration of Independence (on which it may have been patterned):

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly

"They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts."

Do otherwise than all of the above, for starters.

I can get more economics-technical for you if you like, but there's no evidence I can see from any of your posts that you would understand it, so for the moment I'll let this speak for itself.

WHO is THEY?

Rich people.

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

 

[Dragon]

liberal ansswer to I got no answer.. drag out the strawman. why can't you answer?

Because it is a straw man and as such deserves no answer.

 

[Immanuel]

I could give you my own ideas, and have done so elsewhere in this forum, but you're asking about the leftist insurgency generally rather than me, so I'll refer you to begin with to the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City. Think of this as a list of grievances similar to those in the Declaration of Independence (on which it may have been patterned):

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly

"They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts."

Do otherwise than all of the above, for starters.

I can get more economics-technical for you if you like, but there's no evidence I can see from any of your posts that you would understand it, so for the moment I'll let this speak for itself.

WHO is THEY?

Rich people.

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

I don't think so. The middle school students would be much more intelligent and more than likely not whine as much as these fools.

Was it TDM that said earlier in this thread that these people weren't Lemmings? Bullshit. they are all a bunch of lazy whiners following a few morons who are telling them that they deserve to get rich off the work of others.

Their parents sure as hell did shitty jobs of raising them.

Immie

 

[Dragon]

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

As I said, I don't expect right-wingers to agree. The fact remains that most Americans will agree with most of it.

 

[Immanuel]

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

As I said, I don't expect right-wingers to agree. The fact remains that most Americans will agree with most of it.

Do you really believe that crap?

Might you have a real poll that shows that Americans are really as lazy as those people are?

Edit: Personally, I doubt 10% of Americans identify with that crap.

Immie

 

[CrusaderFrank]

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

As I said, I don't expect right-wingers to agree. The fact remains that most Americans will agree with most of it.

Most Americans agree you're in the dangerous Moonbat part of the Lunatic fringe

 

[Mr.Nick]

WHO is THEY?

Rich people.

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

I don't think so. The middle school students would be much more intelligent and more than likely not whine as much as these fools.

Was it TDM that said earlier in this thread that these people weren't Lemmings? Bullshit. they are all a bunch of lazy whiners following a few morons who are telling them that they deserve to get rich off the work of others.

Their parents sure as hell did shitty jobs of raising them.

Immie

Those morons only have jobs because someone is rich...

For a progressive you have quite the stunted intellect..

It's funny how you understand collectivist progress however you're ignorant to individual progress...

 

[Immanuel]

Rich people.

What a bunch of utter horseshit. If I sat a bunch of middle-schoolers down and asked them to write a protest manifesto, that's what they would come up with.

I don't think so. The middle school students would be much more intelligent and more than likely not whine as much as these fools.

Was it TDM that said earlier in this thread that these people weren't Lemmings? Bullshit. they are all a bunch of lazy whiners following a few morons who are telling them that they deserve to get rich off the work of others.

Their parents sure as hell did shitty jobs of raising them.

Immie

Those morons only have jobs because someone is rich...

For a progressive you have quite the stunted intellect..

It's funny how you understand collectivist progress however you're ignorant to individual progress...

You have a serious reading comprehension problem. You really need to get help.

Immie

 

[WillowTree]

liberal ansswer to I got no answer.. drag out the strawman. why can't you answer?

Because it is a straw man and as such deserves no answer.

then you have zero credibility.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I don't think so. The middle school students would be much more intelligent and more than likely not whine as much as these fools.

Was it TDM that said earlier in this thread that these people weren't Lemmings? Bullshit. they are all a bunch of lazy whiners following a few morons who are telling them that they deserve to get rich off the work of others.

Their parents sure as hell did shitty jobs of raising them.

Immie

Those morons only have jobs because someone is rich...

For a progressive you have quite the stunted intellect..

It's funny how you understand collectivist progress however you're ignorant to individual progress...

You have a serious reading comprehension problem. You really need to get help.

Immie

O'rilly point that out...

You're a schizophrenic... Are we Barack Obama today or Sarah Palin?

 

[saveliberty]

A bunch of fingerpointing physically and intellectually lazy envious losers.

 

[Immanuel]

Those morons only have jobs because someone is rich...

For a progressive you have quite the stunted intellect..

It's funny how you understand collectivist progress however you're ignorant to individual progress...

You have a serious reading comprehension problem. You really need to get help.

Immie

O'rilly point that out...

You're a schizophrenic... Are we Barack Obama today or Sarah Palin?

I did point it out. You can't read worth shit nor can you spell.

You seriously need help. Maybe if you go to a local library at the right time, you can find an adult who will volunteer to help you read.

Immie

 

[Dragon]

then you have zero credibility.

I didn't use the straw man, you did. Twice. The first time, when it was pointed out to you that you had used a straw man, and why, you backed off and asked a real question, which was answered.

You've done the same again. Back off and ask a real question, as you did before, and it will be answered. Until then, you are the one with zero credibility, not I.

 

[Mr.Nick]

You have a serious reading comprehension problem. You really need to get help.

Immie

O'rilly point that out...

You're a schizophrenic... Are we Barack Obama today or Sarah Palin?

I did point it out. You can't read worth shit nor can you spell.

You seriously need help. Maybe if you go to a local library at the right time, you can find an adult who will volunteer to help you read.

Immie

"nor can you spell"

I stopped punctuation a few weeks ago, however I wouldn't call punctuation "spelling" you ignorant motherfucker.

Of course you think I need "help" because I don't think like your authoritarian punk ass..

You're a Maoist loser that does as it's told...

 

[Immanuel]

O'rilly point that out...

You're a schizophrenic... Are we Barack Obama today or Sarah Palin?

I did point it out. You can't read worth shit nor can you spell.

You seriously need help. Maybe if you go to a local library at the right time, you can find an adult who will volunteer to help you read.

Immie

"nor can you spell"

I stopped punctuation a few weeks ago, however I wouldn't call punctuation "spelling" you ignorant motherfucker.

Of course you think I need "help" because I don't think like your authoritarian punk ass..

You're a Maoist loser that does as it's told...

You are the ignorant jackass that spelled the two words, Oh really -- as O'rilly. I can't help the fact that you are an idiot through and through.

I think you need help because I happen to be on your side on most issues and you are completely unable to intellectualize that. You are nothing short of an idiot which has been pointed out to you many times.

Immie

 

[WillowTree]

then you have zero credibility.

I didn't use the straw man, you did. Twice. The first time, when it was pointed out to you that you had used a straw man, and why, you backed off and asked a real question, which was answered.

You've done the same again. Back off and ask a real question, as you did before, and it will be answered. Until then, you are the one with zero credibility, not I.

The question is what are you going to replace corporations and capitalism with? Straightforward to the point. Now answer it?

 

[Dragon]

Do you really believe that crap?

Might you have a real poll that shows that Americans are really as lazy as those people are?

They're hardly lazy, but sure.

Before I present the polls, please check this out for clarification of what OWS's grievances are: Occupy Wall Street Manifesto | vegasmike433 on Xanga

On foreclosure: Views on Government Aid Depend on the Program

(I may refer to this poll again on other issues. Specifically, note the support for a jobs program.)

On bonuses to CEOs, especially those whose companies received bailout money: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Mar09b-AIG.pdf

On unions and the right to collective bargaining: Poll: Americans favor union bargaining rights - USATODAY.com

On raising taxes on the rich: Americans Favor Jobs Plan Proposals, Including Taxing Rich

On corporate donations to politicians and the Citizens United decision: Poll: Large majority opposes Supreme Court's decision on campaign financing

These are just a few points that I could easily find polls for, but as you can see, many of the grievances listed by OWS have widespread public support. I'm not sure quite 100% of them do (not at all sure how most people feel about cruelty to farm animals for example), but the core issues do.

 

[Harry Dresden]

This country isn't center-right. On most issues, it's center left:
.

well that could be.....Dean claims he is Center Left....and the stuff he says here pretty much sums up the feelings on the street....

 

[Dragon]

The question is what are you going to replace corporations and capitalism with? Straightforward to the point. Now answer it?

It's a straw man because neither I nor anyone else has proposed eliminating corporations or capitalism. All you have done is rephrased the same straw-man question you asked earlier. It's just as stupid worded this way.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I did point it out. You can't read worth shit nor can you spell.

You seriously need help. Maybe if you go to a local library at the right time, you can find an adult who will volunteer to help you read.

Immie

"nor can you spell"

I stopped punctuation a few weeks ago, however I wouldn't call punctuation "spelling" you ignorant motherfucker.

Of course you think I need "help" because I don't think like your authoritarian punk ass..

You're a Maoist loser that does as it's told...

You are the ignorant jackass that spelled the two words, Oh really -- as O'rilly. I can't help the fact that you are an idiot through and through.

I think you need help because I happen to be on your side on most issues and you are completely unable to intellectualize that. You are nothing short of an idiot which has been pointed out to you many times.

Immie

You claim I can't spell because I used a euphemism?

Then you call me an idiot but you claim you agree with the "idiot" on most issues?

How about you go your way and you can continue to agree with this idiot?

Good compromise?