Progressives Launching 'October Offensive' To Rival Tea Party

[Soggy in NOLA]

Okay, How are you going to CHANGE capitalism? what's yer plan?

I could give you my own ideas, and have done so elsewhere in this forum, but you're asking about the leftist insurgency generally rather than me, so I'll refer you to begin with to the Declaration of the Occupation of New York City. Think of this as a list of grievances similar to those in the Declaration of Independence (on which it may have been patterned):

Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly

"They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts."

Do otherwise than all of the above, for starters.

I can get more economics-technical for you if you like, but there's no evidence I can see from any of your posts that you would understand it, so for the moment I'll let this speak for itself.

Sounds like the soviet goals from 1963 warmed, up re hashed and served with a side of useful idiot fries and dumbass shake.

 

[Big Fitz]

liberal ansswer to I got no answer.. drag out the strawman. why can't you answer?

Because it is a straw man and as such deserves no answer.

Apprently this "strawman" is kicking the left's ass all day today.

Give us logistics on what you want to CHANGE to? Or are you just HOPING we quit asking you the obvious questions?

This kinda hopey changey shit doesn't get you a business loan, and it shouldn't win you political points either. Details, son... details. But see, this is what you know. We will hear what you really want to do and throw your ass down a dead philosophical mine shaft because what you will propose is probably the same shit that failed in the USSR, Eastern Europe and China before they tried to do Glasnost.

 

[Mr.Nick]

the only thing he supports is kool aid drinking ideology and someone else has to pay for his kool aid.

Yep, they/he/she favors whatever model gives them more than they pay in taxes (if anything).

They're fucking ignorant losers, and I'm not shocked they're ignorant to our economic problems... They pay less to the government in which they receive - that tapped out the government and they expect the government to tax people more so the government can continue to give them free programs..

They're ignorant lazy little pukes...

They're addicted to handouts because they're either a) lazy or b) stupid...

The sooner they realize the fact they're retards and need to learn a skill there is a demand for the better..

But that would be like expecting an apple to grow legs and walk...

Speaking of apples... I bet Apple is their twitter god.. know what I mean?

If they had it their way they would steal farmland from owners and would decimate the land in a matter of years for its food...

Farmers make sure their land is green - The government wont be able to do that.... If they even attempted to do it it would be like Pol Pots Cambodia er Khmer Rouge, beating former land owners over the head with farming tools until they submit to the establishment....

Yet the socialists think socialism is utopia...

I suppose it will be different this time?

Yeah let the ignorant fucks who want something for free sell us to the communists..

Progressives are political whores.

 

[Mr.Nick]

Pending but threatening to destroy the brainwashing.

What specifically WILL you replace the system with?

Capitalism doesn't work in your mind. History shows central planning doesn't work. So... What's left?

capitalism works when the governments keep their greedy hands off of the model.

Socialism is thievery, and violates property rights - especially the farmers.

History has proven government dictation of economies is lethal...

Socialism is lethal...

There is only a few places for the government in capitalism:

1. To ensure consumers, labors and competition are not abused by market power by unfair tactics that stifle business and fair competition or unfairly give advantage to one over another.

2. To make sure that those in the market are being truthful and honest about the product and business practices they employ.

3. To make sure that trade is facilitated by maintaining it's mandated infrastructure so the most people can benefit from the system.

4. To protect the consumer, labor and public from direct effects created by industry in the market, to be directly checked by the need to show both direct cause AND immediate harm to the parties involved.

Beyond that, they need to stay the fuck out.

I believe true capitalism regulates itself through competition.

Capitalism is a perfect economic model but can be abused which hinders its effectiveness.

Socialism is an absolute failure on every level - because its not a structure its a philosophy... Socialism is a pseudo-economic structure and its really based on a philosophy.... Thats why it fails and it takes brutal totalitarians to dictate.

 

[Big Fitz]

capitalism works when the governments keep their greedy hands off of the model.

Socialism is thievery, and violates property rights - especially the farmers.

History has proven government dictation of economies is lethal...

Socialism is lethal...

There is only a few places for the government in capitalism:

1. To ensure consumers, labors and competition are not abused by market power by unfair tactics that stifle business and fair competition or unfairly give advantage to one over another.

2. To make sure that those in the market are being truthful and honest about the product and business practices they employ.

3. To make sure that trade is facilitated by maintaining it's mandated infrastructure so the most people can benefit from the system.

4. To protect the consumer, labor and public from direct effects created by industry in the market, to be directly checked by the need to show both direct cause AND immediate harm to the parties involved.

Beyond that, they need to stay the fuck out.

I believe true capitalism regulates itself through competition.

Capitalism is a perfect economic model but can be abused which hinders its effectiveness.

Socialism is an absolute failure on every level - because its not a structure its a philosophy... Socialism is a pseudo-economic structure and its really based on a philosophy.... Thats why it fails and it takes brutal totalitarians to dictate.

Not quite. The Gilded age proved that unfortunately. There must be an impartial judge and arbiter, not just the invisible hand involved. Monopolies and trusts are dangerous for all the same way a tyrant is.

The government needs to be involved a little as that arbiter and protector and objective observer. It's when it becomes MORE than that when problems erupt.

 

[WillowTree]

dragon run outta fire? he's just blowing smoke?

 

[Lakhota]

Fox News Offers Wall Street Protester An Interview But Doesn’t Air It After He Slams Fox | ThinkProgress

 

[Lakhota]

How Unequal We Are: The Top 5 Facts You Should Know About The Wealthiest One Percent Of Americans | ThinkProgress

 

[Oldstyle]

Fox News Offers Wall Street Protester An Interview But Doesn’t Air It After He Slams Fox | ThinkProgress

Asking questions about Solyndra is a waste of time? Interesting view point...

So when this Administration blows half a billion on loan guarantees that never should have been given...to a corporation whose honchos were major campaign contributors TO this Administration...that shouldn't be questioned?

 

[Lakhota]

ESPN Pulls 'Monday Night Football' Opener After Singer Slams Obama

UPDATE: ESPN has released a statement expressing their disapproval of Williams' comments, and will pull his intro from tonight's Monday Night Football telecast.

“While Hank Williams, Jr. is not an ESPN employee, we recognize that he is closely linked to our company through the open to Monday Night Football. We are extremely disappointed with his comments, and as a result we have decided to pull the open from tonight’s telecast.”

A source at ESPN told The Huffington Post that they are still evaluating whether they will use the song in the future.

Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler.- Fox & Friends - 10/3/11 - YouTube

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/03/hank-williams-compares-obama-to-hitler_n_992513.html

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm wondering if Lakhota wants to take up the challenge of defending the Occupy Wall Street "demands"? You've supported them all along...now at long last they've made public what is they WANT...so are you on board, Lakhota?

 

[Trajan]

Former White House adviser Van Jones says that progressives are going to launch an "October offensive" to rival the Tea Party, in the spirit of the Arab Spring protests across the Middle East.

"Everybody should hold onto their seats. October is going to be the turning point when it comes to the progressive fight back. You can see it coming," Jones said this week on MSNBC's "The Last Word" with Lawrence O'Donnell.

"You are going to see an American Fall, an American Autumn, just like we saw the Arab Spring," Jones continued. "You can see it right now with these young people on Wall Street. Hold onto your hats, we're going to have an October offensive to take back the American dream and to rescue America's middle class."

More: Van Jones Praises Occupy Wall Street, Says Progressives Launching 'October Offensive' To Rival Tea Party

what more G 20 like anarchist dumbasses? gee thx Van. I see hes still without a real job

 

[Trajan]

ESPN Pulls 'Monday Night Football' Opener After Singer Slams Obama

UPDATE: ESPN has released a statement expressing their disapproval of Williams' comments, and will pull his intro from tonight's Monday Night Football telecast.

“While Hank Williams, Jr. is not an ESPN employee, we recognize that he is closely linked to our company through the open to Monday Night Football. We are extremely disappointed with his comments, and as a result we have decided to pull the open from tonight’s telecast.”

A source at ESPN told The Huffington Post that they are still evaluating whether they will use the song in the future.

Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler.- Fox & Friends - 10/3/11 - YouTube

Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama To Hitler, Gets Pulled From 'Monday Night Football' (VIDEO)

hey what happened to tolerance and free speech?

 

[Lakhota]

I'm wondering if Lakhota wants to take up the challenge of defending the Occupy Wall Street "demands"? You've supported them all along...now at long last they've made public what is they WANT...so are you on board, Lakhota?

I support their effort in general. They are trying to get organized. I'm sure reasonable goals will be defined and refinded as they go along.

At least they aren't violent and packing weapons. Someone has to take back America - and I sure as hell don't want it to be Hank Williams teabaggers.

 

[Trajan]

Again?

First they tried the 'Coffee Party'.... Epic Fail.

Then they tried the 'citizen journalists' (via the HuffPuff).... Epic Fail.

So now they're trying an 'October Offensive'.... Who gives a fuck? Bring it on. This country is, by nature, center right. Live with it, Lefties. Your constant fails are fun.

don't forget attackwatch! ruff ruff!!!

 

[Lakhota]

By Stephen L. Carter

Occupy Wall Street: A Sucker’s Game

The financial industry has been moving away from downtown New York—and out of America—for years. If anything, these angry, ill-informed, purposeless protesters should be marching on Washington, says Stephen Carter.

More: Occupy Wall Street Is Full of Ill-Informed Protesters Who Should March on Washington - The Daily Beast

 

[Immanuel]

ESPN Pulls 'Monday Night Football' Opener After Singer Slams Obama

UPDATE: ESPN has released a statement expressing their disapproval of Williams' comments, and will pull his intro from tonight's Monday Night Football telecast.

“While Hank Williams, Jr. is not an ESPN employee, we recognize that he is closely linked to our company through the open to Monday Night Football. We are extremely disappointed with his comments, and as a result we have decided to pull the open from tonight’s telecast.”

A source at ESPN told The Huffington Post that they are still evaluating whether they will use the song in the future.

Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama to Hitler.- Fox & Friends - 10/3/11 - YouTube

Hank Williams Jr. Compares Obama To Hitler, Gets Pulled From 'Monday Night Football' (VIDEO)

hey what happened to tolerance and free speech?

I didn't hear Hank Williams comments and I regret that the intro won't be played tonight.

I do, however, respect ESPN's right to not use the intro if they think something he said is controversial. I remember when Bush was President. There were several well known actors who lost their jobs because of controversial things that they said. One of those was Whoopie Goldberg when she lost the sponsorship of Slimfast and another that I remember (not who it was) had something to do with Disney, I think. Those companies had the right to fire their own employees as does ESPN.

ESPN has every right not to play the intro, but I have the feeling that they are making a mistake as I don't believe liberals are into that violent game as much as conservatives.

Immie

 

[Lakhota]

I don't believe liberals are into that violent game as much as conservatives.

Hey, we're talking professional football - not NASCAR.

 

[Immanuel]

I don't believe liberals are into that violent game as much as conservatives.

Hey, we're talking professional football - not NASCAR.

And?

Immie

 

[Lakhota]

After Relentlessly Promoting Tea Party Protests, Fox Attacks Wall Street Protesters | Media Matters for America