Proof that CO2 has nothing to do with Earth climate change

[LaDexter]

The past million years of northern hemisphere climate history does that...

One million years ago, Greenland was completely green...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest"


North America one million years ago looked like this

north american ice sheet - Google Search

with glaicers completely covering Canada and most of the "midway" states in the US.

So, in the past million years, Greenland froze while North America thawed, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere...

proving that CO2 was not the "variable" that caused either...


What did cause North America to thaw while Greenland froze??

A: nothing you can PARROT from an Algorian fudgebaker, that's for sure...

Try this - WHAT DID CHANGE???

 

[skookerasbil]

Bottom line is.......we have zero proof that CO2 is causing the world to warm. Its a theory only. Whats more......we are far, far from being able to determine what factors cause the climate to change. Thousands of scientists concur.........although the alarmists call these PHd and Masters level scientists "fake scientists"........far too many factors that still need to be much more closely examined. Too much on the line for the alarmists k00ks to even consider this......doesn't matter the source of the information. They will always listen only to their handful off "climate scientists"!!

 

[LaDexter]

WRONG - we know what causes climate change - the location of land.

Land, when it moves within 600 or so miles of an Earth pole, the summers get shorter, the winters longer and colder etc..

Then the summer fails to fully melt the snow/ice, and it starts to STACK. It is that STACKING that is the start of the (continent specific) ice age. Greenland was a forest 1 mil years ago. Its plate is moving NW. Its ice age started up north, and now the glaciers have pushed more than 100 miles out of the Arctic Circle.

Try this on for size. Copy the Antarctic, and remove the Arctic and replace it with the copy of the Antarctic.

Presto - glaciers in NA right down to where they were 1 mil years ago...

Two polar oceans - no ice on Earth
Two polar continents - the COLD EARTH parameter

 

[Hossfly]

The past million years of northern hemisphere climate history does that...

One million years ago, Greenland was completely green...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest"


North America one million years ago looked like this

north american ice sheet - Google Search

with glaicers completely covering Canada and most of the "midway" states in the US.

So, in the past million years, Greenland froze while North America thawed, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere...

proving that CO2 was not the "variable" that caused either...


What did cause North America to thaw while Greenland froze??

A: nothing you can PARROT from an Algorian fudgebaker, that's for sure...

Try this - WHAT DID CHANGE???

Two points.

1. If the common thought is that carbon-dioxide is bad,we should destroy all the plants and trees. Problem solved.

2. When the Europeans wanted to colonize those islands, they proclaimed Iceland was uninhabitable due to the cold and Greenland was a paradise. Both claims were false. I've been in both places a few times and can attest to that.

 

[LaDexter]

No, the southern tip of Greenland WAS GREEN when the Vikings colonized it 2500 years ago. They farmed there until the 1400s, when the ice got so close the ground ceased to be useful for farming.

Greenland was THE global "cooling" talking point in the 1970s...

 

[Crick]

The past million years of northern hemisphere climate history does that...

In order to do what you claim, it will have to show that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas or that CO2 levels are not rising or that human use of fossil fuels and deforestation are not responsible for the rise of CO2 in the Earth's atmosphere. Let's see how you do.

One million years ago, Greenland was completely green...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest"


North America one million years ago looked like this

north american ice sheet - Google Search

with glaicers completely covering Canada and most of the "midway" states in the US.

So, in the past million years, Greenland froze while North America thawed, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere...

proving that CO2 was not the "variable" that caused either...

All stop. It proves no such thing.

What did cause North America to thaw while Greenland froze??

A: nothing you can PARROT from an Algorian fudgebaker, that's for sure...

Try this - WHAT DID CHANGE???

I'm sorry Mr LaDexter, I'd been cutting you some slack because you were new here, but this is just stupid. A million things changed in the last million years; most importantly, our position in the Milankovitch cycles, controlling how much solar energy the Earth receives. And bringing up Al Gore in these discussions marks one as a real amateur. Gore is a great guy. I voted for him. But he is not a climate scientist and NO ONE bases their current understanding of AGW on his commentary.

The position of mainstream science has NEVER been that CO2 is the one and only thing affecting Earth's climate. Proving that other things affect the climate accomplishes nothing along the way of refuting AGW.

 

[LaDexter]

"it will have to show that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas "


LOL!!!

The whole "greenhouse gas" concept is BS. All gasses retain heat when hit by sunlight. The more gas, the more is absorbed. You are conditioned to credit CO2. When confronted with clear proof that Co2 has nothing to do with Earth climate change, you simply refuse to debate the point. Greenland froze while NA thawed. Co2 was constant for both. Sorry. CO2 didn't cause Greenland to freeze or NA to melt. It caused nothing. Indeed, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, the raw data, shows no temperature increase since at all in the atmosphere during a period of rising CO2. So the warmers fudged both series with uncorrelated corrections...

 

[Crick]

"it will have to show that CO2 is not a greenhouse gas "

LOL!!!

The whole "greenhouse gas" concept is BS.

Really?

All gasses retain heat when hit by sunlight. The more gas, the more is absorbed.

Really?

You are conditioned to credit CO2.

Conditioned? You mean, like, I've been brainwashed?

When confronted with clear proof that Co2 has nothing to do with Earth climate change, you simply refuse to debate the point.

I didn't refuse to debate. I addressed your argument's failings. You presented NO information about CO2 levels or conditions during the million years or so you attempted to cover. Your identified NO other processes or factors that could have also been responsible for the changes you identified. Your post was completely without logical value. It was akin to saying Bill could not have robbed Joe because this frog was on that tree.

Greenland froze while NA thawed.

Greenland is frozen now and North America is not.

Co2 was constant for both.

As long as you mean equivalent between them, you are correct. Over time, CO2 was far, far more stable then than it is now. Global CO2 is increasing at a rate not seen since the Permian Triassic Extinction Event.

Sorry. CO2 didn't cause Greenland to freeze or NA to melt.

I don't recall anyone saying that it did. A reduction in greenhouse gases could have caused Greenland to freeze, but I have no idea whether or not that was the situation at the poorly identified time period to which you're referring here. Nor does it seem you care.

It caused nothing.

Your command of simple logic needs work

Indeed, the highly correlated satellite and balloon data, the raw data, shows no temperature increase since at all in the atmosphere during a period of rising CO2. So the warmers fudged both series with uncorrelated corrections...

The correlation between CO2 and temperature for the past 150 years is better than between temperature and any other factor. Temperatures since 1998 have continued to rise - there has been no pause. If you want to see a period during which CO2 rose but temperatures did not, try 1941 - 1972. But this is a wild goose chase because climate science does not tell us that radiant forcing from CO2 is indomitable. It is not particularly strong at all. It is simply constant and has been in effect for a number of years now.

Adjustments to temperature records have tended to REDUCE warming more than increase it. None of you have ever presented the slightest SHRED of evidence that any of those adjustments lacked justification or were intended to produce a false impression. Out of the tens of thousands of scientists involved in climate studies for the past 50 years, not one has ever confessed to falsifying temperature records.

Finally, rejecting the greenhouse effect based on what is obviously a 7th or 8th grade (C-) level of physics knowledge is pointless and puerile. The greenhouse effect has been accepted by mainstream science (you know, people with PhDs who spend their lives doing original research) for over a century. That you actually believed someone here would take your word on this as the voice of some variety of expert is really pathetic.

 

[Old Rocks]

The past million years of northern hemisphere climate history does that...

One million years ago, Greenland was completely green...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest"


North America one million years ago looked like this

north american ice sheet - Google Search

with glaicers completely covering Canada and most of the "midway" states in the US.

So, in the past million years, Greenland froze while North America thawed, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere...

proving that CO2 was not the "variable" that caused either...


What did cause North America to thaw while Greenland froze??

A: nothing you can PARROT from an Algorian fudgebaker, that's for sure...

Try this - WHAT DID CHANGE???

Two points.

1. If the common thought is that carbon-dioxide is bad,we should destroy all the plants and trees. Problem solved.

2. When the Europeans wanted to colonize those islands, they proclaimed Iceland was uninhabitable due to the cold and Greenland was a paradise. Both claims were false. I've been in both places a few times and can attest to that.

Damn, you seem able to delve the depths of stupidity. Iceland was colonized long before Greenland, and Greenland got it's name by Eric the Red, as a ploy to get people to come to his colony.

As for CO2 being 'bad', it is necessary for life. Just as salt is. That being said, why don't you just consume a quart of salt in an hour and see how that works.

 

[Old Rocks]

No, the southern tip of Greenland WAS GREEN when the Vikings colonized it 2500 years ago. They farmed there until the 1400s, when the ice got so close the ground ceased to be useful for farming.

Greenland was THE global "cooling" talking point in the 1970s...

The coast of Greenland, where the Vikings colonies were, was less green, and colder than today, at the best times of the colonization. And the colonies were always on the edge of disaster.

 

[Hossfly]

The past million years of northern hemisphere climate history does that...

One million years ago, Greenland was completely green...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest"


North America one million years ago looked like this

north american ice sheet - Google Search

with glaicers completely covering Canada and most of the "midway" states in the US.

So, in the past million years, Greenland froze while North America thawed, all at the same time on the same planet with the same atmosphere with the same amount of CO2 in the atmosphere...

proving that CO2 was not the "variable" that caused either...


What did cause North America to thaw while Greenland froze??

A: nothing you can PARROT from an Algorian fudgebaker, that's for sure...

Try this - WHAT DID CHANGE???

Two points.

1. If the common thought is that carbon-dioxide is bad,we should destroy all the plants and trees. Problem solved.

2. When the Europeans wanted to colonize those islands, they proclaimed Iceland was uninhabitable due to the cold and Greenland was a paradise. Both claims were false. I've been in both places a few times and can attest to that.

Damn, you seem able to delve the depths of stupidity. Iceland was colonized long before Greenland, and Greenland got it's name by Eric the Red, as a ploy to get people to come to his colony.

As for CO2 being 'bad', it is necessary for life. Just as salt is. That being said, why don't you just consume a quart of salt in an hour and see how that works.

1. You don't recognize sarcasm and

2. I didn't say there was a realtor's contest. I said both islands are opposite from their description. Jeezus.

 

[LaDexter]

"Conditioned? You mean, like, I've been brainwashed?"

Indeed, you are correct. Brainwashed by the church of Algore into supporting that which has done more harm to the actual environment than anything else in history by misdiagnosing problems and making hundreds of billions of taxdollars vanish in the pockets of left wing liars.


"Global CO2 is increasing at a rate not seen since the Permian Triassic Extinction Event."

Yawn... That rising CO2 hasn't warmed the atmosphere according to the highly correlated satellite and balloon data. So why are we fussing over it? You say I haven't proven anything. That's just laughable given your CO2 theory is only "validated" by FUDGING. I did not fudge the fact that during the past million years Greenland froze while NA melted. Anyone with any scientific understanding at all understands the atmosphere was not the variable that caused either event. That you still attempt to blame CO2 for that is par for your BRAINWASHED BS...


"I don't recall anyone saying that it did. A reduction in greenhouse gases could have caused Greenland to freeze,"

LOL!!!!

and at the SAME TIME cause NA to melt

LO!!!!!


And THAT is the IDIOCY of the FRAUD. CO2 caused Greenland to freeze and NA to melt at the same time, because a BRAINWASHED BIRDBRAIN cannot accept the scientific PROOF that CO2 has

absolutely NOTHING to do with EARTH CLIMATE CHANGE

 

[LaDexter]

No, the southern tip of Greenland WAS GREEN when the Vikings colonized it 2500 years ago. They farmed there until the 1400s, when the ice got so close the ground ceased to be useful for farming.

Greenland was THE global "cooling" talking point in the 1970s...

The coast of Greenland, where the Vikings colonies were, was less green, and colder than today, at the best times of the colonization. And the colonies were always on the edge of disaster.

COLDER THAN TODAY...

even though the Vikings were FARMING ON IT THEN and IT IS GLACIER ICE NOW..

LOL!!!


Land you can farm = colder than glacier ice...

Once again... THE IDIOCY of the FRAUD strikes...

 

[LaDexter]

"The correlation between CO2 and temperature for the past 150 years is better than between temperature and any other factor"

LMAO!!!

What the atmospheric temperature readings really say...

Climate of Extremes


"the satellites showed no warming, consistent (correlated) with the balloon readings"

That was 2005. Then the "warmers" FUDGED both with two uncorrelated corrections....

CO2 doesn't cause any warming in the atmosphere according to the highly correlated raw data from the two and only two measures we have of atmospheric temperatures...

 

[peach174]

CO2 is too thin to cause trapping of gasses.
New Evidence That Man-Made Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Does Not Cause Global Warming

 

[CrusaderFrank]

OK OK the AGW Cult will shut us up by posting an experiment showing a 120PPM Change in CO2 raising temperature by 3F

Here it comes

any day now

and day

 

[Crick]

"The correlation between CO2 and temperature for the past 150 years is better than between temperature and any other factor"

LMAO!!!

What the atmospheric temperature readings really say...

Climate of Extremes


"the satellites showed no warming, consistent (correlated) with the balloon readings"

That was 2005. Then the "warmers" FUDGED both with two uncorrelated corrections....

CO2 doesn't cause any warming in the atmosphere according to the highly correlated raw data from the two and only two measures we have of atmospheric temperatures...

Wow. So you are now claim that there has been no warming?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"The correlation between CO2 and temperature for the past 150 years is better than between temperature and any other factor"

LMAO!!!

What the atmospheric temperature readings really say...

Climate of Extremes


"the satellites showed no warming, consistent (correlated) with the balloon readings"

That was 2005. Then the "warmers" FUDGED both with two uncorrelated corrections....

CO2 doesn't cause any warming in the atmosphere according to the highly correlated raw data from the two and only two measures we have of atmospheric temperatures...

Wow. So you are now claim that there has been no warming?

Well once you add in the "warming" in the deep ocean, which we all know was meticulously tracked back in Popeye the Sailor days, then yeah, it's "Warming"

AR5 suddenly, magically, with no basis in science, declared that the oceans were retaining 93% of the "excess heat" and who are we to question

 

[Crick]

 

[skookerasbil]

dang.......the alarmists are getting their clocks cleaned on this thread............