Protesters Carrying Rifle Outside Obama Rally

[DiveCon]

Yeah.......but they are egged on by the likes of Limp Idiot and Blech.

Theory. Most of those types don't like Rush. I'm no sure who Blech is a reference to.

Blech = Beck.

Most of those people don't like Limp Idiot? Then please explain to me why the RNC chairman is afraid of him, and most people in the GOP consider Limp Idiot to be their spokesperson?

Your concept of reality is twisted. What planet do you spend most of your time on?

LOL
again you miss the fucking point
most Ron Paul supporters are libertarians(yes, small "L")
so the GOP is not in their corner

 

[DiveCon]

Listen fucktard, Limp Idiot, Blech and Billo the Clown have ALL been calling for a revolution. Shit, on FAUX and Fiends, I've heard some of their anchors say it was okay to taser someone from Code Pink JUST FOR BEING THERE.

Either get a glass belly button installed or pull your head out of your ass.

Link please.

Listen idiot.......just watch that crap sometime. Remember just a little while when Blech said that Obama was a racist? FAUX News denounced his statement and distanced themselves.

Still don't understand why that fucker wasn't fired.

in other words, you CANT provide a link

 

[HUGGY]

Are you're a prime example!

Do you have a point? An argument that could successfully counter what I just said or do you just like trolling?

Yes I have a point and I've made it. And my point is, you are STUPID!!! And I base that on your asinine statement. You basically said that blacks can be "rednecks", ok, I'll give you that. But then you went on to say that "stupid fucks" come in all colors, implying that "rednecks" are "stupid fucks", and I think you exhibit pure stupidity and ignorance in that assertion. And it clearly proves you to be a bigot as well as a hypocrite.

"rednecks" are "stupid fucks"

That's right. Just because you inherited some money doesn't make you smaht'. Most red necks are stupid AND poor.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Listen fucktard, Limp Idiot, Blech and Billo the Clown have ALL been calling for a revolution. Shit, on FAUX and Fiends, I've heard some of their anchors say it was okay to taser someone from Code Pink JUST FOR BEING THERE.

Either get a glass belly button installed or pull your head out of your ass.

Link please.

Listen idiot.......just watch that crap sometime. Remember just a little while when Blech said that Obama was a racist? FAUX News denounced his statement and distanced themselves.

Still don't understand why that fucker wasn't fired.

Why do you watch that crap?

 

[HUGGY]

You know Tech, you're an idiot.

People COULDN'T continually be well informed back then. Today it can be done, but you've got to stay off of such media outlets like FAUX News.

Today, you've got the 'net, cable, newspapers as well as other media to get information, only now, you've got to sort through it yourself.

What color is the sky on your planet?

On Planet District of Columbia, the skies are blue today. Can you see through the smoky cloud around your head to get a glimpse at the sky on your planet?

What makes you think people were less able to be inform then or that that was even the point of what Jefferson was saying? He was saying you you get fat, dumb and lazy and don't give a shit if left to your own natural devices. A revolution makes you sit up and take notice of what the fuck is actually going on.

Never mind. I'm wasting my time. Return to your stupor.

Huh?

 

[Emma]

One question I have had and not had answered, is if the rifles were actually loaded. I don't think I have seen that information come out yet. In my opinion, the message was still the same: "STFU or Bang! you're dead".

When I was trying to find the video of the interview for dive yesterday, I saw a photo of the back of the guy from the interview. A comment by a recent vet said he saw that the rifle was loaded and there was another in his back pocket. You could also see his sidearm from that angle.

The vet has no way of knowing whether there were rounds in the magazine that was inserted in the weapon. If the guy was locked and loaded, he was an idiot for about 8 million reasons.

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).

"It is extremely disturbing that you have that kind of weapon in close proximity to where the president is," said Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.

"He was demonstrating his Second Amendment rights," Gallego added, "but he was clearly there to intimidate people who were there exercising their First Amendment rights."

Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man's back pocket.

He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Do you have a point? An argument that could successfully counter what I just said or do you just like trolling?

Yes I have a point and I've made it. And my point is, you are STUPID!!! And I base that on your asinine statement. You basically said that blacks can be "rednecks", ok, I'll give you that. But then you went on to say that "stupid fucks" come in all colors, implying that "rednecks" are "stupid fucks", and I think you exhibit pure stupidity and ignorance in that assertion. And it clearly proves you to be a bigot as well as a hypocrite.

"rednecks" are "stupid fucks"

That's right. Just because you inherited some money doesn't make you smaht'. Most red necks are stupid AND poor.

You certainly have no problem displaying your stupidity, I guess you must be a redneck.

When did I inherit money?

 

[Immanuel]

My husband and I are both concealed carry permit holders. ( hubby insisted I get mine)

Hubby is a gun collector . Fanatic collector actually. Just has to have at least one of each he likes.


Point being that doesn't matter . I have already written every congress person , senator and the president to urge congress to pass legislation to make it illegal to have a gun anywhere near a elected representative most especially the president.

There is a time and place for everything. And the place for weapons is nowhere around a congress person , senator or our President.

Perhaps they should pass something like the no drugs within a mile of schools law except it should be no guns within a mile of elected representatives.

Just out of curiosity, how far away do you think people should be required to stay away from elected officials when carrying a weapon? What if they are armed and an official steps around the corner in front of them? Edit: also, FYI, the gun toters in this situation were actually not even near the President.

I started this thread and I have a problem with people at this event being armed because I still believe they were there in order to intimidate others, but I don't think I like your idea and I do not own a gun.

Immie

I can respect the fact the law could cause some unintended problems Immie.

However we have to make a reasonable and logical decision about which would cause the greater harm.

Obviously having firearms around schools , universities , hospitals , subway stations, the president and other elected officials is something we would want to prohibit because the chance a loony does great damage is too great.

So not being a law maker , nor the smartest person in the world. I can only offer suggestions.

At most of these town halls or presidential events road blocks are set up to keep people from driving car bombs into the area. Since 911 that precaution is taken anyway.

So makes sense to me we could easily prohibit firearms within that same area.

First let me welcome you to USMB. Today is the first time I have read any of your posts.

They already do prevent weapons from getting to close to government officials in these kinds of things. The gun toters at the Presidential rally were not close enough to the President and if they had been the Secret Service would had stopped them.

I don't think the idea is that practical seeing as how officials are already protected and I personally would not care to see such drastic steps to inhibit people's constitutional rights. Given a threat, law enforcement will protect the officials. We don't need laws that duplicate other laws.

Immie

 

[Lonestar_logic]

When I was trying to find the video of the interview for dive yesterday, I saw a photo of the back of the guy from the interview. A comment by a recent vet said he saw that the rifle was loaded and there was another in his back pocket. You could also see his sidearm from that angle.

The vet has no way of knowing whether there were rounds in the magazine that was inserted in the weapon. If the guy was locked and loaded, he was an idiot for about 8 million reasons.

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).

"It is extremely disturbing that you have that kind of weapon in close proximity to where the president is," said Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.

"He was demonstrating his Second Amendment rights," Gallego added, "but he was clearly there to intimidate people who were there exercising their First Amendment rights."

Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man's back pocket.

He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

He's an expert at what? Determing how everyone around him feels? Fact is he was giving his opinion, nothing more. Have you ever seen an AR-15 up close and in person? Having a clip in the forearm doesn't mean it was loaded, however only an idiot would carry an uloaded weapon. So I would assume is was more than likely loaded.

 

[Emma]

Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of Second Street and Adams.

Holding a sign that said AARP NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current health-care system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.

-------------

"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Two police officers were staying very close to the man.

---------

Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: "If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free."

"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.
---------------

Standing on the corner near Third and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."

Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.

Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.

"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."

--------

Jim Mariman, a veteran from Idaho who served in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.

"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.

Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.

"These people can protest because I gave them the right."

-----------

Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."

Obama: 'Honored and humbled' to speak before Valley vets

People are Teh Funneh

 

[DiveCon]

When I was trying to find the video of the interview for dive yesterday, I saw a photo of the back of the guy from the interview. A comment by a recent vet said he saw that the rifle was loaded and there was another in his back pocket. You could also see his sidearm from that angle.

The vet has no way of knowing whether there were rounds in the magazine that was inserted in the weapon. If the guy was locked and loaded, he was an idiot for about 8 million reasons.

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).

"It is extremely disturbing that you have that kind of weapon in close proximity to where the president is," said Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.

"He was demonstrating his Second Amendment rights," Gallego added, "but he was clearly there to intimidate people who were there exercising their First Amendment rights."

Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man's back pocket.

He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

i read somewhere that the AR-15 was loaded and the guy carrying it said so

 

[DiveCon]

Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of Second Street and Adams.

Holding a sign that said AARP NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current health-care system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.

-------------

"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Two police officers were staying very close to the man.

---------

Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: "If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free."

"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.
---------------

Standing on the corner near Third and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."

Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.

Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.

"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."

--------

Jim Mariman, a veteran from Idaho who served in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.

"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.

Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.

"These people can protest because I gave them the right."

-----------

Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."

Obama: 'Honored and humbled' to speak before Valley vets

People are Teh Funneh

the only funny one was the last one
and give the kid a break, he's only TWELVE

 

[Neser Boha]

And the people I've seen who were interviewed regarding carrying their firearms were neither stupid nor uneducated. They spoke better English than our erstwhile president, and were quite articulate.

They aren't "stupid" because they've chosen to wear their firearms legally to town hall meetings. What a person's political views are have absolutely nothing to do with their intelligence, regardless of what the liberalistas would like to tell everyone. Believe me, liberalism does not denote intelligence, any more than republicanism denotes stupidity.

Right ... I'm glad you cleared it up for us like that. Everyone should be aware of them dangerous 'liberalistas' out there...

However, carrying an assault fucking rifle to a rally, a town-hall meeting, or anywhere such as that (especially around the president) is either down-right retarded or does it deliberately in order to get a certain very negative message over. These people are either stupid as fuck or dangerous. This is not a normal or desirable behavior. If anyone should be under any sort of surveillance, it should be them. Not some hippie anti-war protesters (we've heard all these stories from Bush-era). These fucks are from the ranks of McVeigh.

 

[Emma]

The vet has no way of knowing whether there were rounds in the magazine that was inserted in the weapon. If the guy was locked and loaded, he was an idiot for about 8 million reasons.

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).

"It is extremely disturbing that you have that kind of weapon in close proximity to where the president is," said Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.

"He was demonstrating his Second Amendment rights," Gallego added, "but he was clearly there to intimidate people who were there exercising their First Amendment rights."

Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man's back pocket.

He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

He's an expert at what? Determing how everyone around him feels? Fact is he was giving his opinion, nothing more. Have you ever seen an AR-15 up close and in person? Having a clip in the forearm doesn't mean it was loaded, however only an idiot would carry an uloaded weapon. So I would assume is was more than likely loaded.

I was responding to a conversation I was having with tech regarding if the weapon was loaded or not.

BTW, I'm looking for an interview where the young man either says it's loaded or implies that it is (as you stated, it would be stupid for it to not be loaded). In the meantime, a recorded conversation he had with a couple of women who say they are uncomfortable and nervous having him walk around them and their children (and in the group in general) with those weapons. I think it's safe to assume the gun and rifle are loaded, as he says he'd not hesitate to use them there, if need be. (so I guess tech has his 8 million reasons to believe the guy's an idiot)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-c4aUmUfI&feature=related]YouTube - AR-15, Open Carry - Answering Questions[/ame]

And for the record, I agree with everything the man says. But I still think he was stupid to bring a loaded AR-15 and handgun to the rally.

 

[HUGGY]

Yes I have a point and I've made it. And my point is, you are STUPID!!! And I base that on your asinine statement. You basically said that blacks can be "rednecks", ok, I'll give you that. But then you went on to say that "stupid fucks" come in all colors, implying that "rednecks" are "stupid fucks", and I think you exhibit pure stupidity and ignorance in that assertion. And it clearly proves you to be a bigot as well as a hypocrite.

"rednecks" are "stupid fucks"

That's right. Just because you inherited some money doesn't make you smaht'. Most red necks are stupid AND poor.

You certainly have no problem displaying your stupidity, I guess you must be a redneck.

When did I inherit money?

You are too ignorant to have made any..and you claim to write alll the checks in your little bumfuck town. Logical deduction.. Maybe you parade up and down your one horse street selling your ass in your cute little cowboy suit..who knows.?

And what IS up with the cowboy outfit? I was riding cutting horses when I was 10 and never had the desire to dress up like the faggot cowboy in the "village People".

 

[Emma]

The vet has no way of knowing whether there were rounds in the magazine that was inserted in the weapon. If the guy was locked and loaded, he was an idiot for about 8 million reasons.

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).

"It is extremely disturbing that you have that kind of weapon in close proximity to where the president is," said Ruben Gallego, a military veteran and Arizona Democratic Party official who observed the man.

"He was demonstrating his Second Amendment rights," Gallego added, "but he was clearly there to intimidate people who were there exercising their First Amendment rights."

Gallego, who served a tour of duty in Iraq, said he believes the AR-15 semi-automatic rifle was loaded. He spotted a magazine in the firearm and another in the man's back pocket.

He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

i read somewhere that the AR-15 was loaded and the guy carrying it said so

I thought I either read it or heard it in an interview, too. In any case, he tells the women in the video above that he wouldn't hesitate to use it that day if need be. That tells me he's either blowing smoke or it's loaded. He doesn't come across as someone doing the former.

 

[DiveCon]

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).



He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

i read somewhere that the AR-15 was loaded and the guy carrying it said so

I thought I either read it or heard it in an interview, too. In any case, he tells the women in the video above that he wouldn't hesitate to use it that day if need be. That tells me he's either blowing smoke or it's loaded. He doesn't come across as someone doing the former.

yeah, as it has been said over and over, it was a libertarian group pulling a stunt to get media attention

and it worked

 

[Emma]

Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of Second Street and Adams.

Holding a sign that said AARP NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current health-care system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.

-------------

"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Two police officers were staying very close to the man.

---------

Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: "If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free."

"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.
---------------

Standing on the corner near Third and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."

Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.

Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.

"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."

--------

Jim Mariman, a veteran from Idaho who served in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.

"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.

Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.

"These people can protest because I gave them the right."

-----------

Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."

Obama: 'Honored and humbled' to speak before Valley vets

People are Teh Funneh

the only funny one was the last one
and give the kid a break, he's only TWELVE

(so I wonder where he heard healthcare in the country of Europe has failed?)

Nothing funny about a 73 year old claiming she doesn't want government running healthcare?

Or a guy defending himself that he's not racist because his ex is black?

Or a guy bragging about his freedoms while being shadowed all day by two cops?

Or the man who thinks he gave us the right to protest? (actually, that's more sad than funny)

Or the one who embraces our right to choose while wanting to deny that right?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I accidently found that article, so I figured I'd better get this posted before I lost it (again).



He's the 'expert' (or rather, has the experience), so I can't argue with him over that.

azcentral.com blogs - : Man with AR-15 rifle at Obama rally sparks concerns

He's an expert at what? Determing how everyone around him feels? Fact is he was giving his opinion, nothing more. Have you ever seen an AR-15 up close and in person? Having a clip in the forearm doesn't mean it was loaded, however only an idiot would carry an uloaded weapon. So I would assume is was more than likely loaded.

I was responding to a conversation I was having with tech regarding if the weapon was loaded or not.

BTW, I'm looking for an interview where the young man either says it's loaded or implies that it is (as you stated, it would be stupid for it to not be loaded). In the meantime, a recorded conversation he had with a couple of women who say they are uncomfortable and nervous having him walk around them and their children (and in the group in general) with those weapons. I think it's safe to assume the gun and rifle are loaded, as he says he'd not hesitate to use them there, if need be. (so I guess tech has his 8 million reasons to believe the guy's an idiot)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-c4aUmUfI&feature=related]YouTube - AR-15, Open Carry - Answering Questions[/ame]

And for the record, I agree with everything the man says. But I still think he was stupid to bring a loaded AR-15 and handgun to the rally.

I wonder if those women realize they're in an open carry state and if they even know what that means. My answer to them would have been "it's a free country and you'e free to go walk where you feel more comfortable." I carry a sidearm and would not hesitate to use it either when the time came. After all that is the whole point behind carrying a weapon. It wouldn't make any sense to carry a weapon and not be ready, willing and able to use it when the time came.

 

[DiveCon]

Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of Second Street and Adams.

Holding a sign that said AARP NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current health-care system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.

-------------

"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

Two police officers were staying very close to the man.

---------

Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: "If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free."

"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.
---------------

Standing on the corner near Third and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."

Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.

Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.

"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."

--------

Jim Mariman, a veteran from Idaho who served in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.

"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.

Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.

"These people can protest because I gave them the right."

-----------

Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.

She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.

"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."

Obama: 'Honored and humbled' to speak before Valley vets

People are Teh Funneh

the only funny one was the last one
and give the kid a break, he's only TWELVE

(so I wonder where he heard healthcare in the country of Europe has failed?)

Nothing funny about a 73 year old claiming she doesn't want government running healthcare?

Or a guy defending himself that he's not racist because his ex is black?

Or a guy bragging about his freedoms while being shadowed all day by two cops?

Or the man who thinks he gave us the right to protest? (actually, that's more sad than funny)

Or the one who embraces our right to choose while wanting to deny that right?

uh, ever hear of the EU?

and there are a lot of people that dont want the government running ALL of healthcare
thats not funny, its true