Public funded associates degree might actually be beneficial to society

[initforme]

One cannot get ahead without a degree. g out working for the pittance, slave wage of even 15 dollars per hour is humiliating and sickening. For that does one needs to show up?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Two year degrees now have about the same value as high school did 20 years ago

a 4 year degree doesnt get you much any more either.
now you need a 4 year degree, 30 years experience, 1000 references, 3 papers published in trade journals and a public building or park named after you just to flip burgers at the corner fast food place.

Hidden Question: "If You're So Smart, Why Haven't You Made the Rich Richer?"

The cause of that kind of economy is itself the class-biased indentured servitude of college education, which puts inferior people people in superior positions. If students aren't paid for their grades, they aren't worth anything.

Notice that the slogan (which will be America's epitaph) is "To get a good job, get a good education," not "To do a good job." Notice also how it's coming from only one side, when the talented should be the ones to demand of the corporate parasites, "If you want the most productive employees, you better pay us a high salary and free tuition to learn the skills you need."

If I were an employer I would certainly overlook you in the hiring process. I would have to go for the person that had the insight, the drive and the initiative to learn what he needed to know for the job I offer, and then he would get a fair salary based on industry standards.
But someone that came up with an attitude that, I need to pay for his education and give him high salary? grab a broom buddy, because you will never have a desk anywhere inside of my business, those positions are reserved for those that are willing to work.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

One cannot get ahead without a degree. g out working for the pittance, slave wage of even 15 dollars per hour is humiliating and sickening. For that does one needs to show up?

I agree, someone should be able to come right out of high school with a 2.5 GPA, skip college and jump right into a $100,000.00 a year job with full benefits and a company car.
Hell with those greedy rich employers that expect someone to actually be able to do whats needed in a position.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Two year degrees now have about the same value as high school did 20 years ago

a 4 year degree doesnt get you much any more either.
now you need a 4 year degree, 30 years experience, 1000 references, 3 papers published in trade journals and a public building or park named after you just to flip burgers at the corner fast food place.

I told my son 15 years ago if he would get a degree in computer science, I would pay for it. If he wanted a degree in marketing or language, he would pay for it. He got the BS in computer science then got his master's in CS and I don't think he will ever have to worry about having a job, or even looking for one. He gets calls from recruiters about twice a week.

My first degree is in computer science; I basically made my living in the field from 1984 until a couple years ago. I now have a degree in social work with a specialty of working with the mentally ill and those who suffer chemical addiction and at 58 years old I'm almost done with my degree in psychology.
Your son is going to do just great with what he has going for him.
But, wouldn't he have been smarter to do nothing and then claim it's the rich guy's fault while collecting a check from the government?

Bluebloods and Brownnoses Bossing Us Around

Rich guys better give anyone smart enough to belong in college the same high allowance and paid up tuition they give their sons or we will make sure those spoiled brats never graduate.

 

[owebo]

Ever since that nut case Sanders came up with the idea, I have been playing with the thought in my mind. Naturally being a good conservative I was forced to immediately speak out against the idea. mostly because it came from a liberal and because it means more of my tax dollar being spent on "welfare" that had no benefit to me.
However after thinking about it now for some time I see where it actually could be somewhat of a good thing if done properly. And, if done properly I dont think it would cost anywhere near as much as people think.
My idea would be to essentially extend high school by two years. Yes the little tykes get to have their prom and get their high school diploma after meeting the requirements upon graduating the 12th grade, but, they still 2 more years of public education. It could even be optional for them.
One of the problems that I see is that there are too many fields of study to offer two years for free, so Im thinking, what if that two year degree was a liberal arts degree? It is true that one would have a difficult time finding a great paying job with a degree of any level if that degree was liberal arts, but there really is a value in that degree.
It teaches critical thinking, students come away with that degree with a greater ability to look for alternatives to a problem, they have the ability to look at given information and analyze that information with a greater understanding, and as I said the thought process to not only see it in different ways but also to utilize the information in more ways than one. This is a valuable asset to have in any field of study or job that they are trained for.
The reason I would suggest that they all be given this 2 year degree, is based on not only the logistical nightmare and expense of letting them choose whatever field they are interested in, but also the problems that would arise with the spaces in the colleges suddenly being flooded with thousands more students all at once. The answer to that is fairly simple.
Since they will all be studying for the same degree, we basically continue high school for an additional 2 years. liberal arts has no labs to worry about setting up, taking up space and costing the taxpayer out the back side so the high school classrooms should be sufficient.
The last issue is transportation, if the 2 year degree is done with classes at the local college and it is mandatory (unless a waiver has been issued) we have an obligation to provide transportation for the students. Now if the 2 additional years of school is done at the high school, the bus services that are being used for the students for high school will work for the ones that have reached the 13th and 14th year of school. so lets take your average high school community, the only real expense to do this would be the salary for the professors and that would not be noticed by the average taxpayer. As a matter of fact, since high schools are funded through property taxes, In most areas, the cost of the college degree would not be done at a federal level.
and finally, something that may
So other than the critical thinking benefit, how is this going to be of value.
for very little investment we end up with almost all students in the country having an associates degree and our national graduate rates will be huge. But the even greater value to society is that all of these students are now better equipped to pick a field of study and do well in it.
We as a society are going to end up with a much better educated registry of professionals.
so, in short, I now agree with Bernie that free college would be a great benefit to our society.

No....let's fix public schools to do what they should do....beyond that is up to the individual....

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ever since that nut case Sanders came up with the idea, I have been playing with the thought in my mind. Naturally being a good conservative I was forced to immediately speak out against the idea. mostly because it came from a liberal and because it means more of my tax dollar being spent on "welfare" that had no benefit to me.
However after thinking about it now for some time I see where it actually could be somewhat of a good thing if done properly. And, if done properly I dont think it would cost anywhere near as much as people think.
My idea would be to essentially extend high school by two years. Yes the little tykes get to have their prom and get their high school diploma after meeting the requirements upon graduating the 12th grade, but, they still 2 more years of public education. It could even be optional for them.
One of the problems that I see is that there are too many fields of study to offer two years for free, so Im thinking, what if that two year degree was a liberal arts degree? It is true that one would have a difficult time finding a great paying job with a degree of any level if that degree was liberal arts, but there really is a value in that degree.
It teaches critical thinking, students come away with that degree with a greater ability to look for alternatives to a problem, they have the ability to look at given information and analyze that information with a greater understanding, and as I said the thought process to not only see it in different ways but also to utilize the information in more ways than one. This is a valuable asset to have in any field of study or job that they are trained for.
The reason I would suggest that they all be given this 2 year degree, is based on not only the logistical nightmare and expense of letting them choose whatever field they are interested in, but also the problems that would arise with the spaces in the colleges suddenly being flooded with thousands more students all at once. The answer to that is fairly simple.
Since they will all be studying for the same degree, we basically continue high school for an additional 2 years. liberal arts has no labs to worry about setting up, taking up space and costing the taxpayer out the back side so the high school classrooms should be sufficient.
The last issue is transportation, if the 2 year degree is done with classes at the local college and it is mandatory (unless a waiver has been issued) we have an obligation to provide transportation for the students. Now if the 2 additional years of school is done at the high school, the bus services that are being used for the students for high school will work for the ones that have reached the 13th and 14th year of school. so lets take your average high school community, the only real expense to do this would be the salary for the professors and that would not be noticed by the average taxpayer. As a matter of fact, since high schools are funded through property taxes, In most areas, the cost of the college degree would not be done at a federal level.
and finally, something that may
So other than the critical thinking benefit, how is this going to be of value.
for very little investment we end up with almost all students in the country having an associates degree and our national graduate rates will be huge. But the even greater value to society is that all of these students are now better equipped to pick a field of study and do well in it.
We as a society are going to end up with a much better educated registry of professionals.
so, in short, I now agree with Bernie that free college would be a great benefit to our society.

No....let's fix public schools to do what they should do....beyond that is up to the individual....

I think that the extra two could be cheap enough to actually save the country money. At this point, the U.S education system really needs to catch up to much of the rest of the world, we are falling behind, and when our young people fall behind in their education, then the country falls behind in its competitive edge in the world market place.

 

[owebo]

Ever since that nut case Sanders came up with the idea, I have been playing with the thought in my mind. Naturally being a good conservative I was forced to immediately speak out against the idea. mostly because it came from a liberal and because it means more of my tax dollar being spent on "welfare" that had no benefit to me.
However after thinking about it now for some time I see where it actually could be somewhat of a good thing if done properly. And, if done properly I dont think it would cost anywhere near as much as people think.
My idea would be to essentially extend high school by two years. Yes the little tykes get to have their prom and get their high school diploma after meeting the requirements upon graduating the 12th grade, but, they still 2 more years of public education. It could even be optional for them.
One of the problems that I see is that there are too many fields of study to offer two years for free, so Im thinking, what if that two year degree was a liberal arts degree? It is true that one would have a difficult time finding a great paying job with a degree of any level if that degree was liberal arts, but there really is a value in that degree.
It teaches critical thinking, students come away with that degree with a greater ability to look for alternatives to a problem, they have the ability to look at given information and analyze that information with a greater understanding, and as I said the thought process to not only see it in different ways but also to utilize the information in more ways than one. This is a valuable asset to have in any field of study or job that they are trained for.
The reason I would suggest that they all be given this 2 year degree, is based on not only the logistical nightmare and expense of letting them choose whatever field they are interested in, but also the problems that would arise with the spaces in the colleges suddenly being flooded with thousands more students all at once. The answer to that is fairly simple.
Since they will all be studying for the same degree, we basically continue high school for an additional 2 years. liberal arts has no labs to worry about setting up, taking up space and costing the taxpayer out the back side so the high school classrooms should be sufficient.
The last issue is transportation, if the 2 year degree is done with classes at the local college and it is mandatory (unless a waiver has been issued) we have an obligation to provide transportation for the students. Now if the 2 additional years of school is done at the high school, the bus services that are being used for the students for high school will work for the ones that have reached the 13th and 14th year of school. so lets take your average high school community, the only real expense to do this would be the salary for the professors and that would not be noticed by the average taxpayer. As a matter of fact, since high schools are funded through property taxes, In most areas, the cost of the college degree would not be done at a federal level.
and finally, something that may
So other than the critical thinking benefit, how is this going to be of value.
for very little investment we end up with almost all students in the country having an associates degree and our national graduate rates will be huge. But the even greater value to society is that all of these students are now better equipped to pick a field of study and do well in it.
We as a society are going to end up with a much better educated registry of professionals.
so, in short, I now agree with Bernie that free college would be a great benefit to our society.

No....let's fix public schools to do what they should do....beyond that is up to the individual....

I think that the extra two could be cheap enough to actually save the country money. At this point, the U.S education system really needs to catch up to much of the rest of the world, we are falling behind, and when our young people fall behind in their education, then the country falls behind in its competitive edge in the world market place.

The government? Are you fucking kidding me?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

One cannot get ahead without a degree. g out working for the pittance, slave wage of even 15 dollars per hour is humiliating and sickening. For that does one needs to show up?

Grads Never Become Men, Are Dominated by Women, and Their Sons Want to Become Women

Spending four years in college living like a child on part-time jobs is even more humiliating and sickening. It also prevents growing up. The corporate parasites who mandate that insulting indentured servitude better pay people while they're learning in college or we should make them pay. You don't need a college degree to learn how to hack into their bank accounts.

 

[whitehall]

If you extend the length of High School all you get is older burger flippers and more whiny drop outs. Reactivating the draft would be a better idea. You have to be motivated and focused to get even an Associate degree and the best way is to have served a couple of years in the Military or pay for a higher education.

 

[owebo]

If you extend the length of High School all you get is older burger flippers and more whiny drop outs. Reactivating the draft would be a better idea. You have to be motivated and focused to get even an Associate degree and the best way is to have served a couple of years in the Military or pay for a higher education.

Restore tech schools....best bang for the buck...

 

[WillReadmore]

Ever since that nut case Sanders came up with the idea, I have been playing with the thought in my mind. Naturally being a good conservative I was forced to immediately speak out against the idea. mostly because it came from a liberal and because it means more of my tax dollar being spent on "welfare" that had no benefit to me.
However after thinking about it now for some time I see where it actually could be somewhat of a good thing if done properly. And, if done properly I dont think it would cost anywhere near as much as people think.
My idea would be to essentially extend high school by two years. Yes the little tykes get to have their prom and get their high school diploma after meeting the requirements upon graduating the 12th grade, but, they still 2 more years of public education. It could even be optional for them.
One of the problems that I see is that there are too many fields of study to offer two years for free, so Im thinking, what if that two year degree was a liberal arts degree? It is true that one would have a difficult time finding a great paying job with a degree of any level if that degree was liberal arts, but there really is a value in that degree.
It teaches critical thinking, students come away with that degree with a greater ability to look for alternatives to a problem, they have the ability to look at given information and analyze that information with a greater understanding, and as I said the thought process to not only see it in different ways but also to utilize the information in more ways than one. This is a valuable asset to have in any field of study or job that they are trained for.
The reason I would suggest that they all be given this 2 year degree, is based on not only the logistical nightmare and expense of letting them choose whatever field they are interested in, but also the problems that would arise with the spaces in the colleges suddenly being flooded with thousands more students all at once. The answer to that is fairly simple.
Since they will all be studying for the same degree, we basically continue high school for an additional 2 years. liberal arts has no labs to worry about setting up, taking up space and costing the taxpayer out the back side so the high school classrooms should be sufficient.
The last issue is transportation, if the 2 year degree is done with classes at the local college and it is mandatory (unless a waiver has been issued) we have an obligation to provide transportation for the students. Now if the 2 additional years of school is done at the high school, the bus services that are being used for the students for high school will work for the ones that have reached the 13th and 14th year of school. so lets take your average high school community, the only real expense to do this would be the salary for the professors and that would not be noticed by the average taxpayer. As a matter of fact, since high schools are funded through property taxes, In most areas, the cost of the college degree would not be done at a federal level.
and finally, something that may
So other than the critical thinking benefit, how is this going to be of value.
for very little investment we end up with almost all students in the country having an associates degree and our national graduate rates will be huge. But the even greater value to society is that all of these students are now better equipped to pick a field of study and do well in it.
We as a society are going to end up with a much better educated registry of professionals.
so, in short, I now agree with Bernie that free college would be a great benefit to our society.

No....let's fix public schools to do what they should do....beyond that is up to the individual....

I think that the extra two could be cheap enough to actually save the country money. At this point, the U.S education system really needs to catch up to much of the rest of the world, we are falling behind, and when our young people fall behind in their education, then the country falls behind in its competitive edge in the world market place.

Yes. Manufacturing and other areas where there was work for those without college degrees are moving to requiring college. We're even moving toward automation for retail sales - self check-out, internet sales, kiosks, etc.

The idea that we, as 5% of the world, will remain as the leading economy without educating the brain cells we have is really just silly.

This issue will control everything from our standard of living to our national security.

 

[WillReadmore]

If you extend the length of High School all you get is older burger flippers and more whiny drop outs. Reactivating the draft would be a better idea. You have to be motivated and focused to get even an Associate degree and the best way is to have served a couple of years in the Military or pay for a higher education.

Restore tech schools....best bang for the buck...

Yes.

That's what Clinton pointed out - why it was featured in her policy direction.

Not everyone is going to graduate from college, and there are good jobs for those who don't. Other options, such as apprenticeships, often don't exist or offer pathetic compensation.

 

[owebo]

If you extend the length of High School all you get is older burger flippers and more whiny drop outs. Reactivating the draft would be a better idea. You have to be motivated and focused to get even an Associate degree and the best way is to have served a couple of years in the Military or pay for a higher education.

Restore tech schools....best bang for the buck...

Yes.

That's what Clinton pointed out - why it was featured in her policy direction.

Not everyone is going to graduate from college, and there are good jobs for those who don't. Other options, such as apprenticeships, often don't exist or offer pathetic compensation.

I have to laugh at the Hillary part since it was democrats who killed vo tech.....but the rest I agree with.....

 

[candycorn]

Ever since that nut case Sanders came up with the idea, I have been playing with the thought in my mind. Naturally being a good conservative I was forced to immediately speak out against the idea. mostly because it came from a liberal and because it means more of my tax dollar being spent on "welfare" that had no benefit to me.
However after thinking about it now for some time I see where it actually could be somewhat of a good thing if done properly. And, if done properly I dont think it would cost anywhere near as much as people think.
My idea would be to essentially extend high school by two years. Yes the little tykes get to have their prom and get their high school diploma after meeting the requirements upon graduating the 12th grade, but, they still 2 more years of public education. It could even be optional for them.
One of the problems that I see is that there are too many fields of study to offer two years for free, so Im thinking, what if that two year degree was a liberal arts degree? It is true that one would have a difficult time finding a great paying job with a degree of any level if that degree was liberal arts, but there really is a value in that degree.
It teaches critical thinking, students come away with that degree with a greater ability to look for alternatives to a problem, they have the ability to look at given information and analyze that information with a greater understanding, and as I said the thought process to not only see it in different ways but also to utilize the information in more ways than one. This is a valuable asset to have in any field of study or job that they are trained for.
The reason I would suggest that they all be given this 2 year degree, is based on not only the logistical nightmare and expense of letting them choose whatever field they are interested in, but also the problems that would arise with the spaces in the colleges suddenly being flooded with thousands more students all at once. The answer to that is fairly simple.
Since they will all be studying for the same degree, we basically continue high school for an additional 2 years. liberal arts has no labs to worry about setting up, taking up space and costing the taxpayer out the back side so the high school classrooms should be sufficient.
The last issue is transportation, if the 2 year degree is done with classes at the local college and it is mandatory (unless a waiver has been issued) we have an obligation to provide transportation for the students. Now if the 2 additional years of school is done at the high school, the bus services that are being used for the students for high school will work for the ones that have reached the 13th and 14th year of school. so lets take your average high school community, the only real expense to do this would be the salary for the professors and that would not be noticed by the average taxpayer. As a matter of fact, since high schools are funded through property taxes, In most areas, the cost of the college degree would not be done at a federal level.
and finally, something that may
So other than the critical thinking benefit, how is this going to be of value.
for very little investment we end up with almost all students in the country having an associates degree and our national graduate rates will be huge. But the even greater value to society is that all of these students are now better equipped to pick a field of study and do well in it.
We as a society are going to end up with a much better educated registry of professionals.
so, in short, I now agree with Bernie that free college would be a great benefit to our society.

It's a great idea. Except it wasn't Sanders idea. Obama came up with it in 2015.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ls-america-s-college-promise-proposal-tuition

 

[candycorn]

A better idea is to make it like Social Security. You go for 60 hours on the taxpayer dime. Then, over the lifetime of your earnings; whatever you spent, you pay back with it taken out of your paycheck.

For example, if you're a 40+ y/o file clerk who wants to make more money, go to school for a few years and get a certificate in truck driving, X-Ray technology, welding, whatever.... You do this using government vouchers and lets say you spend $180 per semester hour. $180X60 is $10,800. Add in another $4,200 in books, fees, etc to make it an even $15,000. Once you're out of school for 6 months, Uncle Sam starts deducting money from your paychecks. Presumably you're making more so you're able to afford the deductions. At the age of 45, you have 15 years of employment or so left. Maybe more, maybe less. So your payments may be a bit higher than someone who is 18 y/o who takes advantage of the plan. Each month, your deduction is $90.00. At the end of a year, you've paid back $1,080. That amount is deducted monthly for the next 15 years and you've paid back $16,000+ on your $15,000 loan As you elevate in your career and get raises and what not, you miss the $90 less and less.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

AA degrees at community colleges are essentially tuition-free already

Bullcrap! I received an AAS in computer technology last May and I have $20,000 in student loans to pay back. Unfortunate we are still suffering here from the Obama Economy.

In a small city of approx. 120,000, there are 5-7 help wanted adds in the newspaper. None of which is in IT. Admittedly there have been a few, but with many with certifiable experience in the field out of work, there is just too much competition for them. Add to that the several businesses going out of commission that used IT personnel... Well, as you can imagine, it's pretty poor sledding.

I also have a son with an AA in Database Engineering, and he too couldn't find employment in that field.

An AA/AAS and $2.50 will buy you a cup of coffee at your local Restaurant.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Ever since that nut case Sanders came up with the idea, I have been playing with the thought in my mind. Naturally being a good conservative I was forced to immediately speak out against the idea. mostly because it came from a liberal and because it means more of my tax dollar being spent on "welfare" that had no benefit to me.
However after thinking about it now for some time I see where it actually could be somewhat of a good thing if done properly. And, if done properly I dont think it would cost anywhere near as much as people think.
My idea would be to essentially extend high school by two years. Yes the little tykes get to have their prom and get their high school diploma after meeting the requirements upon graduating the 12th grade, but, they still 2 more years of public education. It could even be optional for them.
One of the problems that I see is that there are too many fields of study to offer two years for free, so Im thinking, what if that two year degree was a liberal arts degree? It is true that one would have a difficult time finding a great paying job with a degree of any level if that degree was liberal arts, but there really is a value in that degree.
It teaches critical thinking, students come away with that degree with a greater ability to look for alternatives to a problem, they have the ability to look at given information and analyze that information with a greater understanding, and as I said the thought process to not only see it in different ways but also to utilize the information in more ways than one. This is a valuable asset to have in any field of study or job that they are trained for.
The reason I would suggest that they all be given this 2 year degree, is based on not only the logistical nightmare and expense of letting them choose whatever field they are interested in, but also the problems that would arise with the spaces in the colleges suddenly being flooded with thousands more students all at once. The answer to that is fairly simple.
Since they will all be studying for the same degree, we basically continue high school for an additional 2 years. liberal arts has no labs to worry about setting up, taking up space and costing the taxpayer out the back side so the high school classrooms should be sufficient.
The last issue is transportation, if the 2 year degree is done with classes at the local college and it is mandatory (unless a waiver has been issued) we have an obligation to provide transportation for the students. Now if the 2 additional years of school is done at the high school, the bus services that are being used for the students for high school will work for the ones that have reached the 13th and 14th year of school. so lets take your average high school community, the only real expense to do this would be the salary for the professors and that would not be noticed by the average taxpayer. As a matter of fact, since high schools are funded through property taxes, In most areas, the cost of the college degree would not be done at a federal level.
and finally, something that may
So other than the critical thinking benefit, how is this going to be of value.
for very little investment we end up with almost all students in the country having an associates degree and our national graduate rates will be huge. But the even greater value to society is that all of these students are now better equipped to pick a field of study and do well in it.
We as a society are going to end up with a much better educated registry of professionals.
so, in short, I now agree with Bernie that free college would be a great benefit to our society.

It's a great idea. Except it wasn't Sanders idea. Obama came up with it in 2015.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...ls-america-s-college-promise-proposal-tuition

Its a good idea once I researched the outcome of it in places that do offer it.
I dont care if its obamas idea or Sanders, I tend to give credit for a good idea when it is presented. However I believe Sanders was talking about a full 4 years at a university, that would be too expensive to do for now. Maybe start with something like I suggested then once we get a good workforce contributing to the tax base revisit the full 4 year suggestion and see if it would be more feasible at that time.

 

[baileyn45]

You had me up to the "liberal arts" part.

Make it a BS type program instead and maybe, but LAS degrees from 4 year schools are worthless already, imo.

Maybe create one that deals with some math, finance, science etc instead of having to pick just one, which then preps them to continue in those types of fields. Now we're encouraging movement in that direction and I'm all ears.

You took the words right out of my mouth. I actually spit my tea onto my key board when I read the "critical thinking" line. The liberal arts students I know are entirely devoid of critical thinking skills. They can recite left wing dogma quite well but cannot and will not engage in a logical debate.

 

[WillReadmore]

If you extend the length of High School all you get is older burger flippers and more whiny drop outs. Reactivating the draft would be a better idea. You have to be motivated and focused to get even an Associate degree and the best way is to have served a couple of years in the Military or pay for a higher education.

Restore tech schools....best bang for the buck...

Yes.

That's what Clinton pointed out - why it was featured in her policy direction.

Not everyone is going to graduate from college, and there are good jobs for those who don't. Other options, such as apprenticeships, often don't exist or offer pathetic compensation.

I have to laugh at the Hillary part since it was democrats who killed vo tech.....but the rest I agree with.....

No, Dems did not kill voc tech.

And, Clinton made that a serious part of her education package, especially in light of the need for continuing education to form a way for many to keep up with industry progress - so they don't keep geting left behind by automation, etc.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

If you extend the length of High School all you get is older burger flippers and more whiny drop outs. Reactivating the draft would be a better idea. You have to be motivated and focused to get even an Associate degree and the best way is to have served a couple of years in the Military or pay for a higher education.

If We Have to Do It on Our Own, So Must the Preppies. Or Else.

Force the corporate plutocrats who mandate this indentured servitude to tell their brats, "Work your way through college, son. If you can't stand living like that, join the Army." Otherwise, they have no right to tell us anything.