Putin Declares War on the Ukraine

[Ame®icano]

Because he shouldn't want his people killed over political issues that Russia undoubtedly is attacking him for right ?? The overwhelming odds say that the Ukrainians are in for a slaughter if decide to fight against those odds to the bitter end right ?? The Chess game doesn't look good in their favor does it ??

For the sake of argument, let's say he steps down, and people elect another president who wants to join NATO. What happen then?

 

[Ame®icano]

For sure.

They probably don't have enough javelins or missile drones to destory 1/4 of all the russian amor.

like if they one-shot one killed an armored vehicle with every tank killer they have, Russia still has 20,000+

Ukraine is getting help. Not from Biden but from European countries.

What's preventing Biden to send them Javelins?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

For the sake of argument, let's say he steps down, and people elect another president who wants to join NATO. What happen then?

Which would inevitably happen, as the people of Ukrane overwhelmingly want to be part of the West.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ukraine is getting help. Not from Biden but from European countries.

What's preventing Biden to send them Javelins?

Not a single thing is stopping him, apparently:

Biden to send $350M in military aid to Ukraine​

By Joe Gould
Feb 26, 11:14 AM

WASHINGTON ― U.S. President Joe Biden has authorized the State Department to send another $350 million in weapons, including Javelin anti-tank weapons, to help Ukrainian forces fight back the ongoing Russian invasion

- defensenews.com

 

[Ame®icano]

Not a single thing is stopping him, apparently:

Biden to send $350M in military aid to Ukraine​

By Joe Gould
Feb 26, 11:14 AM

WASHINGTON ― U.S. President Joe Biden has authorized the State Department to send another $350 million in weapons, including Javelin anti-tank weapons, to help Ukrainian forces fight back the ongoing Russian invasion

- defensenews.com

That was initiated by the Congress, not by Biden. He signed it though.

$350 million is drop in a bucket. Single Javelin cost $80K.

Europe and NATO could step in and proclaim Ukraine a "no fly zone". That'll give Ukraine fighting chance.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That was initiated by the Congress, not by Biden. He signed it though.

$350 million is drop in a bucket. Single Javelin cost $80K.

Europe and NATO could step in and proclaim Ukraine a "no fly zone". That'll give Ukraine fighting chance.

They could indeed, but Russia has nukes and Putin may be out of his mind. Nobody likes hearing it, but the West is not yet at the point of risking its own skin for Ukraine.

 

[Ame®icano]

Which would inevitably happen, as the people of Ukrane overwhelmingly want to be part of the West.

They don't have western mentality, but for sure they don't want to be part of Russia.
Russians fuck them over throughout the history that only thing they have for Russians is a hate.
The same with Poland.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Pathetic display of demonstrable lying by the Kremilin:

"In connection with the expected negotiations, the Russian president yesterday afternoon ordered the suspension of the advance of the main forces of the Russian Federation," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters during a conference call.

"Since the Ukrainian side refused to negotiate, the advance of the Russian forces resumed this afternoon."

- The Telegraph
..............

Propaganda to cover for the stalled offensive. It is a demonstrable lie, as Zelensky has publicly implored Putin to come to the table on a daily basis. Oops, poor little guy told on himself and on Russia, there. It shows the reports are true that Russia is encountering much more resistance than expected.

 

[Ame®icano]

Pathetic display of demonstrable lying by the Kremilin:

"In connection with the expected negotiations, the Russian president yesterday afternoon ordered the suspension of the advance of the main forces of the Russian Federation," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters during a conference call.

"Since the Ukrainian side refused to negotiate, the advance of the Russian forces resumed this afternoon."

- The Telegraph
..............

Propaganda to cover for the stalled offensive. It is a demonstrable lie, as Zelensky has publicly implored Putin to come to the table on a daily basis. Oops, poor little guy told on himself and on Russia, there. It shows the reports are true that Russia is encountering much more resistance than expected.

It'll take time, but when all this is over, Ukraine will have Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea back.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They don't have western mentality, but for sure they don't want to be part of Russia.

It appears that they do. They have a parliament and a president and try to hold free and fair elections. Gay people are not persecuted, in Ukraine. Journalists are not murdered, in Ukraine.

They are ready to come into the fold, by any measure, if you ask me.

 

[Ame®icano]

Ukraine is getting help. Not from Biden but from European countries.

What's preventing Biden to send them Javelins?

Here we go. The US to send $350 mill in military help. Last time Obama and Biden did it, they sent blankets and helmets.

Europe is waking up. Beside Estonia and Poland, Germans decided to help.

"Germany will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger missiles to Ukraine, marking a complete reversal in Berlin's restrictive arms export policy, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz announced Saturday."

"Germany will also lift its ban on other countries exporting German-origin weapons, allowing the Netherlands to transfer 400 rocket-propelled grenade launchers to Ukraine."

Germany to send thousands of weapons to Ukraine in major reversal​

 

[Ringo]

In Kiev, they distribute weapons without any documents... How many years later will law enforcement agencies have to confiscate them from bandits?

Russian war correspondent Alexander Kotz draws parallels with the distribution of weapons in Libya in 2011, which he witnessed. He believes that this is why Western embassies were evacuated from Kiev so quickly, although it is obvious, that the Russian army would not have bombed them. "Tripoli immediately turned into a bandit freebie, in which everyone was shooting at everyone, there were roadblocks with armed children on the roads and only luck and a man with the same Kalashnikov could guarantee your safety. None of them were going to defend Gaddafi, and the rebels, who entered the city dealt with the bandits harshly and quickly. Thousands of guns distributed to civilians in Ukraine will not strengthen the defense of cities. But for a long time they will be covered in blood in criminal reports. Actually, foreign diplomats evacuated from Kiev not so much because of the Russian threat. The West has a lot of experience in sowing chaos in foreign countries," the correspondent writes.
Political scientist Sergey Markov believes that by distributing weapons, the regime of Vladimir Zelensky is trying to hide embezzlement from military warehouses. In his opinion, the distribution of weapons also clearly indicates that the authorities in Kiev are well aware that they will not be the authorities in Kiev in a few days.

Kiev journalist Vyacheslav Chechillo writes that the distribution of weapons exacerbates the chaos in the city.

"Meanwhile, a humanitarian catastrophe is brewing in Kiev. Shops and pharmacies do not work. In those that do open, there is almost nothing. The subway does not work, the left part of the city is cut off from the right. Going out into the street in many areas is just scary - constant shootings, fellow citizens who are mad with hysteria catch either Russian saboteurs, or looters, or each other," the journalist writes.

With any outcome of hostilities, thousands of guns now on hand, will get to the black market, will be used for robbery and looting. And such a prospect will create problems for any Ukrainian government in the future. It will take a long time to withdraw these weapons, but Vladimir Zelensky seems to know that this will no longer be his concern.
There is no special use from the untrained "Volkssturm" in battles with the regular army, as the experience of the agonizing Nazi Germany during the spring of 1945 has shown. However, such tactics quite fit into the outline of the strategy, that West is implementing in Ukraine, and have repeatedly stated, that Ukraine will allegedly become a "new Afghanistan" for Russia. Zelensky is fulfilling this assignment as best he can, and Ukraine, after its eight-year unsuccessful journey to Europe, is really turning onto the road of Afghanistan.

 

[Ringo]

It appears that they do. They have a parliament and a president and try to hold free and fair elections. Gay people are not persecuted, in Ukraine. Journalists are not murdered, in Ukraine.

You really have no clue...

 

[Ringo]

Eskimos and polar bears are strongly against it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Biden wants war. He is the cause of it all. Putting a weak man like him in was bad enough, they didn't dare try this with Trump in office.

NFBW {[ wrote: Bull Crap!

Condi Rice turns tables on Fox News host: NATO 'unites' under Biden the way Trump never could David Edwards​

February 27, 2022​

Condi Rice turns tables on Fox News host: NATO 'unites' under Biden the way Trump never could

Former Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice on Sunday praised President Joe Biden after NATO united under him in a way that it did not under President Donald Trump. "There's this worry among generals whom I've talked with," Fox News host Harris Faulkner told Rice. "Nobody wants a world war. But...

www.rawstory.com

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[beagle9]

For the sake of argument, let's say he steps down, and people elect another president who wants to join NATO. What happen then?

At this point it's doubtful that Russia will allow another western puppet government to occupy that territory if it brings NATO to it's back yard like that. Still wonder what the final trigger was, otherwise that finally brought it all to a head. Ukraine has been fighting against separatist Russian backed rebels for years now, so it's not like this war just started in Ukraine.

 

[eagle1462010]

At this point it's doubtful that Russia will allow another western puppet government to occupy that territory if it brings NATO to it's back yard like that. Still wonder what the final trigger was, otherwise that finally brought it all to a head. Ukraine has been fighting against separatist Russian backed rebels for years now, so it's not like this war just started in Ukraine.

Leaked messages to China to say NATO was going to accept Ukraine in was one possible answer I heard.

 

[Ame®icano]

At this point it's doubtful that Russia will allow another western puppet government to occupy that territory if it brings NATO to it's back yard like that. Still wonder what the final trigger was, otherwise that finally brought it all to a head. Ukraine has been fighting against separatist Russian backed rebels for years now, so it's not like this war just started in Ukraine.

Listen to yourself. Russians are creating conflicts in Ukraine since they became independent, and it doesn't matter who is the president, Russians wont stop.

Putin provoke crisis, then steps in as a peace maker to protect Russian interest. He did it in Crimea, he did it in Donetsk, He did it on Luhansk.
He also tried it in Odessa in 2014, but it didn't work that time. Every time, the US did nothing (read he got OK from the US).

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Last time Obama and Biden did it, they sent blankets and helmets.

Right, but they authorized private shipments of weapons. The just didn't authorize the federal government to give them directly. So plenty of lethal weaponry went to Ukraine , as authorized by the Obama administration.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You really have no clue...

Not compelling. With Russian as a first language, I see you are having a hard time making good points in English.