Putting Black Kids In White Schools Solves Nothing

[Asclepias]

These racist threads just make my skin crawl.

How do these people get to be so completely and utterly ignorant and stupid?

I agree these race threads are creepy but once in a while one learns something. For instance, in justifying his belief that separate black schools would raise "impoverished black kids from the hood" - a idea that may have merit but seems awfully segregationist in this age of diversity - Asclepias claims: "I'm not talking about poor whites. There should be no poor whites. The ones that are have no excuse whatsoever. They are just lazy and wont get off their buts and better themselves." Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America. My conclusion? That despite his obvious intelligence and education, Asclepias, while perhaps well-intentioned (as so many libs are) is a dime-a-dozen racist.

He can say ALL impoverished whites are that way cause they are ALL lazy, cause to a racist like him, he can judge people by the color of skin and not content of character. Since it is the whites he is stereotyping. In his pathetic mind, everything he said is just simply true. Such is the way of the hopelessly brainwashed liberal.

He actually thinks there is NO excuse for ANY white person being impoverished. He said it so effortlessly too. He has no ability to switch out the colors and see his pathetic disposition.

Instead all he and people like him do is make excuse after excuse for every minority. Blame all white right wingers for the reasons any of them are impoverished. Yes, it is that simple to them.

Here is the frightening thing about the way he thinks. Is more than 47% of this country think like that. They cannot see themselves for the pawns they are in the propaganda pushing democrats that need to separate the races and classes in order to gain power.

They are pathetic.

Why cant you explain why there are poor whites here in the US? What is holding them back?

 

[Mertex]

[Ironically, the most important cultural interests for me (sports and music) growing up as a 20th century American have been heavily influenced by people who 'don't look like me' and it never stopped me from emulating them or giving credence to their accomplishments.

HAHAHA. Hey stupid. Sports and music are NOT accomplishments. They're just silly entertainment. Business and science are what counts and blacks are zeros there. THINK

I didn't realize how uninformed you really are.

Considering the fact that blacks were kept from going to school for many years after being brought to this country, there are many blacks that have achieved much. You are the one that needs to think, if that's even possible.

You are speaking purely from a racist and uniformed point of view.



During slavery, most black slaves were denied formal education and in fact many laws were passed in the South prohibiting slave literacy in the aftermath of various slave rebellions. Even free blacks in the century before and after the Civil War were limited in their access to mainstream, quality education and vocational training.

This limited education and training meant that, for the most part, blacks were shut out of professional occupations and confined to working in industries deemed acceptable for them, such as domestic services, some manual trades, and agriculture. Nevertheless a small number of exceptionally talented blacks were able to obtain an education and, through their life's work, make significant contributions to American life.

Scientists
Two early African-American scientists, namely mathematician and astronomer Benjamin Banneker and agricultural chemist George Washington Carver, have become legendary for their intellect and ingenuity.

African American Scientists
Benjamin Banneker
(1731-1806)
Born into a family of free blacks in Maryland, Banneker learned the rudiments of reading, writing, and arithmetic from his grandmother and a Quaker schoolmaster. Later he taught himself advanced mathematics and astronomy. He is best known for publishing an almanac based on his astronomical calculations.

Rebecca Cole
(1846-1922)
Born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Cole was the second black woman to graduate from medical school (1867). She joined Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell, the first white woman physician, in New York and taught hygiene and childcare to families in poor neighborhoods.

Edward Alexander Bouchet
(1852-1918)
Born in New Haven, Connecticut, Bouchet was the first African American to graduate (1874) from Yale College. In 1876, upon receiving his Ph.D. in physics from Yale, he became the first African American to earn a doctorate. Bouchet spent his career teaching college chemistry and physics.

Dr. Daniel Hale Williams
(1856-1931)
Williams was born in Pennsylvania and attended medical school in Chicago, where he received his M.D. in 1883. He founded the Provident Hospital in Chicago in 1891, and he performed the first successful open heart surgery in 1893.

George Washington Carver
(1865?-1943)
Born into slavery in Missouri, Carver later earned degrees from Iowa Agricultural College. The director of agricultural research at the Tuskegee Institute from 1896 until his death, Carver developed hundreds of applications for farm products important to the economy of the South, including the peanut, sweet potato, soybean, and pecan.

Charles Henry Turner
(1867-1923)
A native of Cincinnati, Ohio, Turner received a B.S. (1891) and M.S. (1892) from the University of Cincinnati and a Ph.D. (1907) from the University of Chicago. A noted authority on the behavior of insects, he was the first researcher to prove that insects can hear.

Ernest Everett Just
(1883-1941)
Originally from Charleston, South Carolina, Just attended Dartmouth College and the University of Chicago, where he earned a Ph.D. in zoology in 1916. Just's work on cell biology took him to marine laboratories in the U.S. and Europe and led him to publish more than 50 papers.

Archibald Alexander
(1888-1958)
Iowa-born Alexander attended Iowa State University and earned a civil engineering degree in 1912. While working for an engineering firm, he designed the Tidal Basin Bridge in Washington, D.C. Later he formed his own company, designing Whitehurst Freeway in Washington, D.C. and an airfield in Tuskegee, Alabama, among other projects.

Roger Arliner Young
(1889-1964)
Ms. Young was born in Virginia and attended Howard University, University of Chicago, and University of Pennsylvania, where she earned a Ph.D. in zoology in 1940. Working with her mentor, Ernest E. Just, she published a number of important studies.

Percy L. Julian
(1899-1975)
Alabama-born Julian held a bachelor's degree from DePauw University, a master's degree from Harvard University, and a Ph.D. from the University of Vienna. His most famous achievement is his synthesis of cortisone, which is used to treat arthritis and other inflammatory diseases.

Dr. Charles Richard Drew
(1904-1950)
Born in Washington, D.C., Drew earned advanced degrees in medicine and surgery from McGill University in Montreal, Quebec, in 1933 and from Columbia University in 1940. He is particularly noted for his research in blood plasma and for setting up the first blood bank.

Emmett Chappelle
(1925-)
Born in Phoenix, Arizona, Chappelle earned a B.S. from the University of California and an M.S. from the University of Washington. He joined NASA in 1977 as a remote sensing scientist. Among Chappelle's discoveries is a method (developed with Grace Picciolo) of instantly detecting bacteria in water, which led to the improved diagnoses of urinary tract infections.

James West
(b. 1931)
James West was born in 1931 in Prince Edward County, Virginia, and studied physics at Temple University. Specializing in microphones, West went on to author 200 patents and more than 60 technical and scientific publications. In 1962, with Gerhard Sessler, West developed the foil electret microphone, which became the industry standard. Approximately 90% of microphones in use today are based on this invention and almost all telephones utilize it, as well as tape recorders, camcorders, baby monitors and hearing aids.

Philip Emeagwali
(b. 1954)
Born in Nigeria in 1954, Philip Emeagwali's determination to succeed grew out of a life of poverty and little formal education. An expert in mathematics, physics, and astronomy, Emeagwali won the Institute of Electronics and Electrical Engineers' Gordon Bell Prize in 1989 for an experiment that used 65,000 processors to perform the world's fastest computation of 3.1 billion calculations per second. Emeagwali's computers are currently being used to forecast the weather and predict future global warming.

Aprille Ericsson
(b. 1963)
Born and raised in Brooklyn, N. Y., M.I.T graduate Aprille Ericsson was the first female (and the first African-American female) to receive a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering from Howard University and the first African-American female to receive a Ph.D. in engineering at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. Ericsson has won many awards, including the 1997 "Women in Science and Engineering" award for the best female engineer in the federal government, and she is currently the instrument manager for a proposed mission to bring dust from the Martian lower atmosphere back to Earth.



African American Inventors
Thomas L. Jennings
(1791-1859)
A tailor in New York City, Jennings is credited with being the first African American to hold a U.S. patent. The patent, which was issued in 1821, was for a dry-cleaning process.

Norbert Rillieux
(1806-1894)
Born the son of a French planter and a slave in New Orleans, Rillieux was educated in France. Returning to the U.S., he developed an evaporator for refining sugar, which he patented in 1846. Rillieux's evaporation technique is still used in the sugar industry and in the manufacture of soap and other products.

Benjamin Bradley
(1830?-?)
A slave, Bradley was employed at a printing office and later at the Annapolis Naval Academy, where he helped set up scientific experiments. In the 1840s he developed a steam engine for a war ship. Unable to patent his work, he sold it and with the proceeds purchased his freedom.

Elijah McCoy
(1844-1929)
The son of escaped slaves from Kentucky, McCoy was born in Canada and educated in Scotland. Settling in Detroit, Michigan, he invented a lubricator for steam engines (patented 1872) and established his own manufacturing company. During his lifetime he acquired 57 patents

Lewis Howard Latimer
(1848-1929)
Born in Chelsea, Mass., Latimer learned mechanical drawing while working for a Boston patent attorney. He later invented an electric lamp and a carbon filament for light bulbs (patented 1881, 1882). Latimer was the only African-American member of Thomas Edison's engineering laboratory.

Granville T. Woods
(1856-1910)
Woods was born in Columbus, Ohio, and later settled in Cincinnati. Largely self-educated, he was awarded more than 60 patents. One of his most important inventions was a telegraph that allowed moving trains to communicate with other trains and train stations, thus improving railway efficiency and safety.

Madame C.J. Walker
(1867-1919)
Widowed at 20, Louisiana-born Sarah Breedlove Walker supported herself and her daughter as a washerwoman. In the early 1900s she developed a hair care system and other beauty products. Her business, headquartered in Indianapolis, Indiana, amassed a fortune, and she became a generous patron of many black charities.

Garrett Augustus Morgan
(1877-1963)
Born in Kentucky, Morgan invented a gas mask (patented 1914) that was used to protect soldiers from chlorine fumes during World War I. Morgan also received a patent (1923) for a traffic signal that featured automated STOP and GO signs. Morgan's invention was later replaced by traffic lights.

Frederick McKinley Jones
(1892-1961)
Jones was born in Cincinnati, Ohio. An experienced mechanic, he invented a self-starting gas engine and a series of devices for movie projectors. More importantly, he invented the first automatic refrigeration system for long-haul trucks (1935). Jones was awarded more than 40 patents in the field of refrigeration.

David Crosthwait, Jr.
(1898-1976)
Born in Nashville, Tennessee, Crosthwait earned a B.S. (1913) and M.S. (1920) from Purdue University. An expert on heating, ventilation, and air conditioning, he designed the heating system for Radio City Music Hall in New York. During his lifetime he received some 40 U.S. patents relating to HVAC systems.

Patricia Bath
(1942-)
Born in Harlem, New York, Bath holds a bachelor's degree from Hunter College and an M.D. from Howard University. She is a co-founder of the American Institute for the Prevention of Blindness. Bath is best known for her invention of the Laserphaco Probe for the treatment of cataracts.

Mark Dean
(1957-)
Dean was born in Jefferson City, Tennessee, and holds a bachelor's degree from the University of Tennessee, a master's degree from Florida Atlantic University, and a Ph.D. from Stanford University. He led the team of IBM scientists that developed the ISA bus—a device that enabled computer components to communicate with each other rapidly, which made personal computers fast and efficient for the first time. Dean also led the design team responsible for creating the first one-gigahertz computer processor chip. He was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame in 1997.


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[SAYIT]

Ya know, we have very real probs in this country and it's easy to see why. Liberals (Luddly, Asclepias etc.) consistently consider a subject only until it tickles something inside them, never to its logical conclusion. Asclepias claims that black-only schools is the answer to dim prospects faed by so many "impoverished black kids in the hood" but that white poverty only exists because those peeps are "too lazy to get off their butts." Luddly of course, in typical half-assed lib fashion, gives the racist lib a pass.

I am telling you, the scary thing is they really believe what they are claiming. That is the depth of the brainwashing that has been going on over the last 40 years.

To them, everything is the fault of the right wing conservatives. Every person of color simply gets a pass.

It is really that simple with them.

IMHO, you are just the other side of the Asclepias coin but at least you seem to think things all the way through. Some of your posts absolutely read as racist.

 

[Asclepias]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

 

[RKMBrown]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

Which ones? Everyone's different.

 

[Mertex]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

There are many reasons. Poor people come in all sizes, shapes and colors. True that some are lazy, but to categorize everyone of a particular race as lazy, is totally unfair and not supported by fact.

 

[SAYIT]

These racist threads just make my skin crawl.

How do these people get to be so completely and utterly ignorant and stupid?

I agree these race threads are creepy but once in a while one learns something. For instance, in justifying his belief that separate black schools would raise "impoverished black kids from the hood" - a idea that may have merit but seems awfully segregationist in this age of diversity - Asclepias claims: "I'm not talking about poor whites. There should be no poor whites. The ones that are have no excuse whatsoever. They are just lazy and wont get off their buts and better themselves." Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America. My conclusion? That despite his obvious intelligence and education, Asclepias, while perhaps well-intentioned (as so many libs are) is a dime-a-dozen racist.

Thats the chant of whites in denial since the beginning of time. You must be blind if you think a white child and a black child in the exact same impoverished condition here in the US are on equal footing. Poverty is a factor but social conditioning is also a major factor. That white child is beset by examples of whites succeeding. Black children rarely get to see that.

You are cherry-picking to justify your obvious racism. It wasn't me who claimed "I'm not talking about poor whites... They are just lazy and wont get off their buts and better themselves." nor did I suggest black-only schools or home-schooling which has long been a viable option. How many have taken advantage?
Why is that and what can be done about it? Segregation? Really? Isn't that where we were 50 years ago?

 

[Asclepias]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

There are many reasons. Poor people come in all sizes, shapes and colors. True that some are lazy, but to categorize everyone of a particular race as lazy, is totally unfair and not supported by fact.

I was actually giving the racists a taste of their own medicine. I know there are various reasons why people dont get ahead.

 

[Asclepias]

I agree these race threads are creepy but once in a while one learns something. For instance, in justifying his belief that separate black schools would raise "impoverished black kids from the hood" - a idea that may have merit but seems awfully segregationist in this age of diversity - Asclepias claims: "I'm not talking about poor whites. There should be no poor whites. The ones that are have no excuse whatsoever. They are just lazy and wont get off their buts and better themselves." Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America. My conclusion? That despite his obvious intelligence and education, Asclepias, while perhaps well-intentioned (as so many libs are) is a dime-a-dozen racist.

Thats the chant of whites in denial since the beginning of time. You must be blind if you think a white child and a black child in the exact same impoverished condition here in the US are on equal footing. Poverty is a factor but social conditioning is also a major factor. That white child is beset by examples of whites succeeding. Black children rarely get to see that.

You are cherry-picking to justify your obvious racism. It wasn't me who claimed "I'm not talking about poor whites... They are just lazy and wont get off their buts and better themselves." nor did I suggest black-only schools or home-schooling which has long been a viable option. How many have taken advantage?
Why is that and what can be done about it? Segregation? Really? Isn't that where we were 50 years ago?

To me the moment of clarity came when I was educated on the history of my ancestors. That is seriously lacking in the school system. I'm not one to wait around on other people to do for me what I should do for myself. If the school system is not fixed then the only alternative is to self educate.

 

[Asclepias]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

Which ones? Everyone's different.

Take your pick.

 

[SAYIT]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

There are many reasons. Poor people come in all sizes, shapes and colors. True that some are lazy, but to categorize everyone of a particular race as lazy, is totally unfair and not supported by fact.

I was actually giving the racists a taste of their own medicine. I know there are various reasons why people dont get ahead.

Not that I'm buying your excuse but I was giving you a taste of your own med when I said "Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America." Evidently you see racism as a one-way street. If you're gonna shovel it don't whine when you get dirty.
First rule of the hole: When in over your head, STOP DIGGING!

 

[Asclepias]

There are many reasons. Poor people come in all sizes, shapes and colors. True that some are lazy, but to categorize everyone of a particular race as lazy, is totally unfair and not supported by fact.

I was actually giving the racists a taste of their own medicine. I know there are various reasons why people dont get ahead.

Not that I'm buying your excuse but I was giving you a taste of your own med when I said "Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America." Evidently you see racism as a one-way street. If you're gonna shovel it don't whine when you get dirty.
First rule of the hole: When in over your head, STOP DIGGING!

I wasnt talking to you so its irrelevant what you buy or not. When you change the way you look at things the things you look at will change.

 

[Theowl32]

There are many reasons. Poor people come in all sizes, shapes and colors. True that some are lazy, but to categorize everyone of a particular race as lazy, is totally unfair and not supported by fact.

I was actually giving the racists a taste of their own medicine. I know there are various reasons why people dont get ahead.

Not that I'm buying your excuse but I was giving you a taste of your own med when I said "Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America." Evidently you see racism as a one-way street. If you're gonna shovel it don't whine when you get dirty.
First rule of the hole: When in over your head, STOP DIGGING!

The debate is over. The point has been made. They cannot see their racism, their hypocrisy, and they especially cannot see that patronizing black people or other minorities actually does far more damage.

They cannot see they are propaganda pushing pawns for the democrats who have been utterly committed to dividing races and classes in order to gain power. It has worked tremendously, and the brainwashing has been that thorough that a person like Asclepias is hopeless.

At this point, like I mentioned in the another post, anything more added to this debate will be an exercise in the myth of Sisyphus.

According to the Greek myth, was punished for all eternity to roll a rock up a mountain only to have it roll back down to the bottom when he reaches the top. The Greek myth claims that Sisyphus is the ideal absurd hero and that his punishment is representative of the human condition: Sisyphus must struggle perpetually and without hope of success. So long as he accepts that there is nothing more to life than this absurd struggle, then he can find happiness in it.

 

[SAYIT]

I was actually giving the racists a taste of their own medicine. I know there are various reasons why people dont get ahead.

Not that I'm buying your excuse but I was giving you a taste of your own med when I said "Imagine if a white guy would say the same about blacks in America." Evidently you see racism as a one-way street. If you're gonna shovel it don't whine when you get dirty.
First rule of the hole: When in over your head, STOP DIGGING!

I wasnt talking to you so its irrelevant what you buy or not. When you change the way you look at things the things you look at will change.

That's pretty much what I've been trying to tell you on this thread. Check the mirror.

 

[RKMBrown]

Anyone want to explain why there are poor whites in the US?

Which ones? Everyone's different.

Take your pick.

Some are poor by choice, such as clergy.

Some are poor due to regulatory punishment from our federal government.

Some are poor due to a decided lack of effort.

Some are poor due to them being moochers who would rather be on welfare than work.

Some are poor due to bad decisions, such as buying to much house, or making bad investments.

Some are poor due to being brought up to embrace bad cultures... drug/gang etc.

How many do you want to see?

 

[Theowl32]

Which ones? Everyone's different.

Take your pick.

Some are poor by choice, such as clergy.

Some are poor due to regulatory punishment from our federal government.

Some are poor due to a decided lack of effort.

Some are poor due to them being moochers who would rather be on welfare than work.

Some are poor due to bad decisions, such as buying to much house, or making bad investments.

Some are poor due to being brought up to embrace bad cultures... drug/gang etc.

How many do you want to see?

He said the only reason ALL whites are poor is cause they are all lazy.

He does not think ANY blacks are impoverished due to those reasons.

Can you believe how absurd liberals are? How hypocritical? How brainwashed?

 

[SAYIT]

Which ones? Everyone's different.

Take your pick.

Some are poor by choice, such as clergy.

Some are poor due to regulatory punishment from our federal government.

Some are poor due to a decided lack of effort.

Some are poor due to them being moochers who would rather be on welfare than work.

Some are poor due to bad decisions, such as buying to much house, or making bad investments.

Some are poor due to being brought up to embrace bad cultures... drug/gang etc.

How many do you want to see?

Hmmm ... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they can all apply regardless of race, creed, gender or ethnicity, not just reasons for white poverty Asclepias was seeking.

 

[Asclepias]

Which ones? Everyone's different.

Take your pick.

Some are poor by choice, such as clergy.

Some are poor due to regulatory punishment from our federal government.

Some are poor due to a decided lack of effort.

Some are poor due to them being moochers who would rather be on welfare than work.

Some are poor due to bad decisions, such as buying to much house, or making bad investments.

Some are poor due to being brought up to embrace bad cultures... drug/gang etc.

How many do you want to see?

We are in agreement then.

 

[RKMBrown]

Take your pick.

Some are poor by choice, such as clergy.

Some are poor due to regulatory punishment from our federal government.

Some are poor due to a decided lack of effort.

Some are poor due to them being moochers who would rather be on welfare than work.

Some are poor due to bad decisions, such as buying to much house, or making bad investments.

Some are poor due to being brought up to embrace bad cultures... drug/gang etc.

How many do you want to see?

Hmmm ... I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they can all apply regardless of race, creed, gender or ethnicity, not just reasons for white poverty Asclepias was seeking.

Yeah well the real world isn't just black and white is it

 

[RKMBrown]

Take your pick.

Some are poor by choice, such as clergy.

Some are poor due to regulatory punishment from our federal government.

Some are poor due to a decided lack of effort.

Some are poor due to them being moochers who would rather be on welfare than work.

Some are poor due to bad decisions, such as buying to much house, or making bad investments.

Some are poor due to being brought up to embrace bad cultures... drug/gang etc.

How many do you want to see?

We are in agreement then.

Good.

It's frustrating to people when they see large groups of a particular group negatively effecting their country, their way of life. It's understandable that people would reject such changes. This goes for all sides of the battle for dominance being waged.