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Don't laugh - but I am not really interested in theology. I'm only a normal Catholic, one of more than a billion Catholics, that's all. What I say about theolgy is only born out of the need to have to correct some mistakes which are dangerous today.Are you familiar with the negotiations and political considerations involved when the bible was compiled from seperate ancient texts? How it was determined which would be included, and which would not?
All of that conforms to the teachings of Christianity, but is really not the point. Avoiding sin, confession, stumbling, and the rest are expected steps along the way to the one immutable requirement for God's forgiveness. Accept Jesus, or go to hell.
None of the steps coming to that point matter, or change God's determination of whether you receive forgiveness. That is the defining point of Christianity.
All flavors of Christianity share that rule. Without it, you are not Christian.
Nope. There are plenty of verses like that. Should I just ignore what Paul said in Roman's? His statement is the exact opposite of what you listed. Wouldn't that make Paul, the author of most of the NT, a false teacher? You might note Paul's opposition to what Jesus taught (this one example is far from his only one) is only one of the many questions professed Christians can't seem to find a reasonable response to.For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each man’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each man’s work.--1 Cor 3:11-14
“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.--Rev 22:12
For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds.--Matthew 16:27
Now this I say, he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.--2 Cor 9:6
Do you need more verses? Let me know.
Hard to identify mistakes if you can't identify why they are mistakes.Don't laugh - but I am not really interested in theology. I'm only a normal Catholic, one of more than a billion Catholics, that's all. What I say about theolgy is only born out of the need to have to correct some mistakes which are dangerous today.
"God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."I was devoutly Christian until I did a deep study of the bible which presented questions I couldn't find the answers to, and nobody I asked even tried to answer. I wish I could reclaim my faith. Believing in a loving, all knowing God who deeply cared about me personally gave me great comfort in hard times, and I wish I could regain peace that came from the belief that all things would work for the good to them that love God. I conveniently ignored the following part that said only those that were called according to his purpose.
Paul was quite specific when he said there is nothing in human desire or effort to gain forgiveness. God will show mercy or harden who he wants, and nothing we believe, say, or do will have anything to do with his choice. (Romans 9: 16-18) Paul goes on to explain that some people were only created as examples of his glory to be shown to the objects of his mercy. (Romans 9: 19-23) Obviously, those people were created to go to hell, since there is nothing they can believe , or do to change Gods decision on mercy.
Help me out here. Does God offer the chance to go to heaven to everybody, or just his chosen few, and how do you justify what Paul wrote with the idea of a benevolent forgiving God?
Go back and read the OP, and then Roman's 9:16-23. I don't have to be Jesus. Paul made that point clear.You refer here to a totally wrong understanding of the word of Jesus: "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me". Your problem is: You are not Jesus but Jesus decides - only Jesus decides - and you are not able to do so. Your sentence "Accept Jesus or go to hell" is indeed a damned anti-Christian formula. No one is able to follow with love in the heart such a brutal order.
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Which rule? Resistance is futile? You will be assimilated? Wrong film, isn't it?
You understand stuff. Congrats"God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
God is calling only a few in this age. Those called now will minister to the rest of mankind in the age to come. It's all good.
Somebody should have explained that to Paul."God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
God is calling only a few in this age. Those called now will minister to the rest of mankind in the age to come. It's all good.
Who loves you?Your god doesn't love his creations that much is obvious
I can live with mistakes - not with all mistakes but with many mistakes - because the perfect is not perfect. And the bible of the daily life is for me much more important than any book.Hard to identify mistakes if you can't identify why they are mistakes.
Go back and read the OP, and then Roman's 9:16-23. I don't have to be Jesus.
Paul made that point clear.
Not sure what you are trying to say with your first sentance. Perhaps a dumb joke that doesn't make much sense to me.But what if I am Jesus? Or an old Muslim lady is Jesus? Or your dog is Jesus?
Letter to the Roman community. Written from Paul. Chapter 9 ... 16-23 ... Aha ... But what do you like to say with this words which you don't remember now here in this context?
Not sure what you are trying to say with your first sentance. Perhaps a dumb joke that doesn't make much sense to me.
Paul was the self proclaimed Apostle
to the Gentiles. He was more responsible for the teachings and beliefs of the beginning Christian church than anyone else. His letters of instruction and visits were seen as direct guidence from God, What more context do you need?
My wife.Who loves you?
Not accurate at all. You forget what I said earlier, where a personal experience of God perplexed me about what people were saying about God in the Old Testament. My experience of God is pure love and lovers all seemed to be the exact opposite of what we are told by people of the Old Testament who had their own experiences of God. How could this be!?More accurately, you concentrate on that which makes you feel familiar, and all warm and fuzzy while bypassing that which does not fit your focus. That's what cults do.
All it means is that language changes, the meaning and use of words change over time.Not sure what you mean by "modern english read though the lens of western culture" Are you saying the bible's meaning is not the same as it once was? Which is the true meaning? Was origonal Christianity based on inaccurate bullshit, but only now seen for it's true meaning, or was the origonal totally correct, and modern Christianity has bastardized those texts? It must be one or the other. It can't be both because they are not the same. .
No. It is about choice. (And I see myself as the prisoner who chooses to focus on the dirt.)So seeing stars means the dirt doesn't exist? You seem to be enamored with the stars.(again, focusing on the parts you like to the excluson of that which you choose to ignore)
Well, since the word 'hell' did not exist in his lifetime, that is interesting. As I noted before, he spoke of Gehenna (the city dump) when comparing what our thoughts and emotions can do to us; he spoke of the purifying effects of fire.Except that Jesus spoke of Hell. A lot. A real lot.
No. Have no idea of how that conclusion was reached.So God set up the entire sacrificial system--including the unblemished lamb and the passover--for just no reason at all. Maybe to make us THINK the Lamb of God on the Cross could accomplish something but according to you, it was more theater to generate an emotional response.
As a 21st century Christian I have NEVER seen God as a "monster.". Those who do have never repented of trying to "go their own way.."Seeing God as a monster could mean someone changed changed something in their own life that necessitated thinking of God as a monster
