Question for those that support sanctuary cities/states.

[task0778]

if the employer can't afford an American living wage then he shouldn't do business in America.

What the hell is a living wage?

Why the fuck do I have to keep repeating myself.
Wage pays employees, rent, utilities, phone, car, and food. It depends on the area what the living wage is.

It is not your employer's responsibility to pay you enough to cover your rent, utilities, phone, car, and food. That is 100% totally on the employee.

 

[Humorme]

if the employer can't afford an American living wage then he shouldn't do business in America.

If an employee isn't worth a living wage then he/she shouldn't be paid a living wage in America.

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, what a stupid thing to say. What he should do is look for ways to increase his value to whoever he works for. In any way possible.

The problem is, not everybody has the mental or physical capacity to do what you think ought to be done.

As I'm typing this, there is a story on tv going in downstairs about kids with autism. They turn 21, are being kicked out of school and the only thing left is Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, for the balance of their lives. So, you'd rather pay millions of people to, essentially do nothing, when they could be minimally productive if an employer would pay them something for their time???

If Socialist Security Disability pays as much as the job, ummm.... which will these people choose?

I don't think there is an easy answer on this. There is no definable term as a livable wage, but as I said before, if someone cannot meet a community's standard, the local government is not obligated to issue a business license if all the company can pay is slave wages. Let the locals figure it out.

 

[task0778]

if the employer can't afford an American living wage then he shouldn't do business in America.

If an employee isn't worth a living wage then he/she shouldn't be paid a living wage in America.

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, what a stupid thing to say. What he should do is look for ways to increase his value to whoever he works for. In any way possible.

The problem is, not everybody has the mental or physical capacity to do what you think ought to be done.

As I'm typing this, there is a story on tv going in downstairs about kids with autism. They turn 21, are being kicked out of school and the only thing left is Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, for the balance of their lives. So, you'd rather pay millions of people to, essentially do nothing, when they could be minimally productive if an employer would pay them something for their time???

If Socialist Security Disability pays as much as the job, ummm.... which will these people choose?

I don't think there is an easy answer on this. There is no definable term as a livable wage, but as I said before, if someone cannot meet a community's standard, the local government is not obligated to issue a business license if all the company can pay is slave wages. Let the locals figure it out.

There is such a thing as Supplemental Security Income, not sure how that differs from SSDI. Don't think it pays as much as a job, but I don't think so. I don't know jack about it, but I'd favor that over being permanently unemployed, cuz I think there's something unhealthy for those who can work but aren't up to the tasks that might be required. I would suggest that in many if not most cases those with somewhat diminished abilities can do something. It could be temporary or permanent if warranted. But I'd rather see people working and earning something even if it's not enough to live on.

https://www.ssa.gov/ssi/

I am fine with local and state gov'ts deciding what the minimum wages should be. It's a jobkiller IMHO and they'll pay for it if they make bad decisions, but I do not think the federal gov't ought to have any say at all in it.

 

[Humorme]

if the employer can't afford an American living wage then he shouldn't do business in America.

If an employee isn't worth a living wage then he/she shouldn't be paid a living wage in America.

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, what a stupid thing to say. What he should do is look for ways to increase his value to whoever he works for. In any way possible.

The problem is, not everybody has the mental or physical capacity to do what you think ought to be done.

As I'm typing this, there is a story on tv going in downstairs about kids with autism. They turn 21, are being kicked out of school and the only thing left is Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, for the balance of their lives. So, you'd rather pay millions of people to, essentially do nothing, when they could be minimally productive if an employer would pay them something for their time???

If Socialist Security Disability pays as much as the job, ummm.... which will these people choose?

I don't think there is an easy answer on this. There is no definable term as a livable wage, but as I said before, if someone cannot meet a community's standard, the local government is not obligated to issue a business license if all the company can pay is slave wages. Let the locals figure it out.

There is such a thing as Supplemental Security Income, not sure how that differs from SSDI. Don't think it pays as much as a job, but I don't think so. I don't know jack about it, but I'd favor that over being permanently unemployed, cuz I think there's something unhealthy for those who can work but aren't up to the tasks that might be required. I would suggest that in many if not most cases those with somewhat diminished abilities can do something. It could be temporary or permanent if warranted. But I'd rather see people working and earning something even if it's not enough to live on.

Supplemental Security Income

I am fine with local and state gov'ts deciding what the minimum wages should be. It's a jobkiller IMHO and they'll pay for it if they make bad decisions, but I do not think the federal gov't ought to have any say at all in it.

Yeah, everybody has an easy answer; however, all those government programs were looked at and they came up short. NONE of them provided enough money for the mildly disadvantaged to really have anything except a meager existence - not even what you would consider a life.

That was but one segment of our society. Let's face facts:

The United States has more people in prison than any nation on this planet. Even if they manage to get out, they carry with them a permanent criminal record and are locked out of society. We would be better off to liquidate those people rather than to keep playing this game. They are statistics employed by political propaganda prostitutes to falsely accuse foreigners of "stealing jobs." That is impossible anyway since a job belongs to the person that created it.

We are a society that has laws that prohibit hiring the older workers, but they aren't enforced. The old people don't have an NAACP, ADL, MPAC or CAIR. Again, instead of resolving the real, underlying issue, we are ignoring it. It's more popular to blame and scapegoat.

 

[Wyatt earp]

if the employer can't afford an American living wage then he shouldn't do business in America.

What the hell is a living wage?

Why the fuck do I have to keep repeating myself.
Wage pays employees, rent, utilities, phone, car, and food. It depends on the area what the living wage is.

This is not it -->

Why the fuck does one need a car? What kind of car is a living wage? A Mercedes? A BMW? What kind of phone an Android a I phone a flip phone?

What kind of food ? Steak in lobster? Beans!


No you never explained your self so you want the government to micro manage wages from big cities to cities of 100 people? LMFAO......

 

[task0778]

If an employee isn't worth a living wage then he/she shouldn't be paid a living wage in America.

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, what a stupid thing to say. What he should do is look for ways to increase his value to whoever he works for. In any way possible.

The problem is, not everybody has the mental or physical capacity to do what you think ought to be done.

As I'm typing this, there is a story on tv going in downstairs about kids with autism. They turn 21, are being kicked out of school and the only thing left is Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, for the balance of their lives. So, you'd rather pay millions of people to, essentially do nothing, when they could be minimally productive if an employer would pay them something for their time???

If Socialist Security Disability pays as much as the job, ummm.... which will these people choose?

I don't think there is an easy answer on this. There is no definable term as a livable wage, but as I said before, if someone cannot meet a community's standard, the local government is not obligated to issue a business license if all the company can pay is slave wages. Let the locals figure it out.

There is such a thing as Supplemental Security Income, not sure how that differs from SSDI. Don't think it pays as much as a job, but I don't think so. I don't know jack about it, but I'd favor that over being permanently unemployed, cuz I think there's something unhealthy for those who can work but aren't up to the tasks that might be required. I would suggest that in many if not most cases those with somewhat diminished abilities can do something. It could be temporary or permanent if warranted. But I'd rather see people working and earning something even if it's not enough to live on.

Supplemental Security Income

I am fine with local and state gov'ts deciding what the minimum wages should be. It's a jobkiller IMHO and they'll pay for it if they make bad decisions, but I do not think the federal gov't ought to have any say at all in it.

Yeah, everybody has an easy answer; however, all those government programs were looked at and they came up short. NONE of them provided enough money for the mildly disadvantaged to really have anything except a meager existence - not even what you would consider a life.

That was but one segment of our society. Let's face facts:

The United States has more people in prison than any nation on this planet. Even if they manage to get out, they carry with them a permanent criminal record and are locked out of society. We would be better off to liquidate those people rather than to keep playing this game. They are statistics employed by political propaganda prostitutes to falsely accuse foreigners of "stealing jobs." That is impossible anyway since a job belongs to the person that created it.

We are a society that has laws that prohibit hiring the older workers, but they aren't enforced. The old people don't have an NAACP, ADL, MPAC or CAIR. Again, instead of resolving the real, underlying issue, we are ignoring it. It's more popular to blame and scapegoat.

Well, first off I know of no law that prohibits hiring of older workers, and if you don't think the AARP isn't a political force to deal with then you are mistaken. And old people do vote, in big numbers, so don't fuck with us, LOL.

Second, convicted criminals carry a permanent record and that is as it should be. Baldly put, they fucked up and part of the consequences for that is the stigma that goes with pretty much for the rest of your life. IOW, tough shit buddy. BUT, they ain't locked out of society either, I know a guy that was in prison and now runs his own landscaping business, so it ain't like these people have a scarlet letter burned into their forehead that says ex-con. And liquidate people? Hyperbole much? I guess eugenics isn't dead after all.

And BTW, you're kind of going off the thread somewhat, this is about sanctuary cities isn't it?

 

[Humorme]

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, what a stupid thing to say. What he should do is look for ways to increase his value to whoever he works for. In any way possible.

The problem is, not everybody has the mental or physical capacity to do what you think ought to be done.

As I'm typing this, there is a story on tv going in downstairs about kids with autism. They turn 21, are being kicked out of school and the only thing left is Socialist Security, Medicare, Medicaid, for the balance of their lives. So, you'd rather pay millions of people to, essentially do nothing, when they could be minimally productive if an employer would pay them something for their time???

If Socialist Security Disability pays as much as the job, ummm.... which will these people choose?

I don't think there is an easy answer on this. There is no definable term as a livable wage, but as I said before, if someone cannot meet a community's standard, the local government is not obligated to issue a business license if all the company can pay is slave wages. Let the locals figure it out.

There is such a thing as Supplemental Security Income, not sure how that differs from SSDI. Don't think it pays as much as a job, but I don't think so. I don't know jack about it, but I'd favor that over being permanently unemployed, cuz I think there's something unhealthy for those who can work but aren't up to the tasks that might be required. I would suggest that in many if not most cases those with somewhat diminished abilities can do something. It could be temporary or permanent if warranted. But I'd rather see people working and earning something even if it's not enough to live on.

Supplemental Security Income

I am fine with local and state gov'ts deciding what the minimum wages should be. It's a jobkiller IMHO and they'll pay for it if they make bad decisions, but I do not think the federal gov't ought to have any say at all in it.

Yeah, everybody has an easy answer; however, all those government programs were looked at and they came up short. NONE of them provided enough money for the mildly disadvantaged to really have anything except a meager existence - not even what you would consider a life.

That was but one segment of our society. Let's face facts:

The United States has more people in prison than any nation on this planet. Even if they manage to get out, they carry with them a permanent criminal record and are locked out of society. We would be better off to liquidate those people rather than to keep playing this game. They are statistics employed by political propaganda prostitutes to falsely accuse foreigners of "stealing jobs." That is impossible anyway since a job belongs to the person that created it.

We are a society that has laws that prohibit hiring the older workers, but they aren't enforced. The old people don't have an NAACP, ADL, MPAC or CAIR. Again, instead of resolving the real, underlying issue, we are ignoring it. It's more popular to blame and scapegoat.

Well, first off I know of no law that prohibits hiring of older workers, and if you don't think the AARP isn't a political force to deal with then you are mistaken. And old people do vote, in big numbers, so don't fuck with us, LOL.

Second, convicted criminals carry a permanent record and that is as it should be. Baldly put, they fucked up and part of the consequences for that is the stigma that goes with pretty much for the rest of your life. IOW, tough shit buddy. BUT, they ain't locked out of society either, I know a guy that was in prison and now runs his own landscaping business, so it ain't like these people have a scarlet letter burned into their forehead that says ex-con. And liquidate people? Hyperbole much? I guess eugenics isn't dead after all.


And BTW, you're kind of going off the thread somewhat, this is about sanctuary cities isn't it?

And, why, Junior, do you think some places are in favor of sanctuary cities?

That's mighty cowardly of you to post a condescending post aimed at me. Can you tell me the last time AARP initiated a lawsuit against a major corporation for not hiring older workers?

ONE exception from the many people who do not have the IQ nor the ability to start a landscape business is not proof of a damn thing except your arrogance and ultimate stupidity. Do you always say jerk-off shit on the Net that you would never utter in public?

So, all the people who ever got a criminal record (a full third of them never really committed a crime) deserve to have their lives ruined over what may be, in a lot of instances, a youthful indiscretion?

And from the position you're taking - speaking up for the anti immigrant lobby, let me cut you down a notch or two. You want to complain about eugenics? Really?

The entire anti-immigrant lobbying effort is mostly financed by John Tanton who bankrolled the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), NumbersUSA, Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) - a total of over a dozen such nonprofits. And Tanton is pro-eugenics!

Who does the right think they are, dictating who the states say can invite in as guests? And, if jobs aren't a main issue, what in the Hell is?

 

[Humorme]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

Well, you have asked the questions; you're over 425 posts into the discussion and no solution has been forthcoming. May I?

You asked:

"How should illegal immigration be controlled?"

In the first place, immigration is defined in legal terminology as:

"The coming Into a country of foreigners for purposes of permanent residence."

IF the people who we are so concerned with intended to become citizens and live here permanently, this would be a valid question. I would submit that it is not.

Those who come here and don't want to become citizens should not have to become citizens nor should they get the benefits / privileges / immunities of citizenship.

 

[danielpalos]

Not everyone who comes here wants to stay and become a citizen; the rest could be tourists.

 

[Circe]

If an employee isn't worth a living wage then he/she shouldn't be paid a living wage in America.

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, no, you should personally pay all his living expenses.

 

[Humorme]

Not everyone who comes here wants to stay and become a citizen; the rest could be tourists.

They can be Guest Workers with a government issued ID that subjects them to taxes and determines if they are trying to become de facto citizens when states try to circumvent certain federal laws (i.e. permitting undocumented foreigners to register and vote.)

Having the Guest Worker status would also allow foreigners to take a driver's license test and prove they can safely operate a motor vehicle on our highways.

 

[danielpalos]

If an employee isn't worth a living wage then he/she shouldn't be paid a living wage in America.

He should just die and get out of the way?

No, no, you should personally pay all his living expenses.

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

 

[danielpalos]

Not everyone who comes here wants to stay and become a citizen; the rest could be tourists.

They can be Guest Workers with a government issued ID that subjects them to taxes and determines if they are trying to become de facto citizens when states try to circumvent certain federal laws (i.e. permitting undocumented foreigners to register and vote.)

Having the Guest Worker status would also allow foreigners to take a driver's license test and prove they can safely operate a motor vehicle on our highways.

Anything more market friendly than what we have now. Simply increasing tourism will help most States of our Union.

 

[emilynghiem]

How should illegal immigration be controlled? It seems that the mindset of the sanctuary city/state crowd is that once a person arrives illegally (or over stays a visa), that person should be welcomed to stay, establish permanent residence, become legally employed, receive government services, acquire a driver’s license, enroll children into public schools, and eventually seek citizenship and have the right to vote. In other words, the illegal immigrant is to be granted all the rights, benefits and protections as legal immigrants. How can we control immigration if we don’t treat illegal immigration as a crime and allow illegal immigrants to simply blend into our society? Also, if you believe we should have open boarders making all immigrants legal, just say so!

I imagine the solution would involve sponsoring organizations building entire campuses
around production facilities, schools, teaching hospitals and medical training programs,
military prisons and bases. Where residents can be legally enrolled and registered, similar
to university work-study programs, which track the educational or work credits in plans
toward earning their residency or citizenship status. The main point is for each person to
be financially and legally sponsored so that people and organizations are able to take responsibility
for individuals, families or communities they support. www.earnedamnesty.org JoeMoma

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Not everyone who comes here wants to stay and become a citizen; the rest could be tourists.

They can be Guest Workers with a government issued ID that subjects them to taxes and determines if they are trying to become de facto citizens when states try to circumvent certain federal laws (i.e. permitting undocumented foreigners to register and vote.)

Having the Guest Worker status would also allow foreigners to take a driver's license test and prove they can safely operate a motor vehicle on our highways.

You just described our already in place immigration visa system. SMFH

 

[charwin95]

Nah! Did they came back and raided it again?

Again farmers I know and they know do NOT hire from agencies unless they have to because of shortages.

SMFH until you are able to read and speak normal English don't bother making another incredibly ignorant comment. Outside your little group of butt buddies is a whole other world, one in which many farmers are using agencies to bring in H2A and legal workers. I suggest you get caught up on the times and get your head out of your ass. watafuknidiot

Please for fuck sake, read the links and then have someone explain them to you.
USA Farm Labor Jobs H2A Workers | USAFARMLABOR LLC

H2A & H2B Guest Worker Services | FEWA

Agri-Placements > Home

Home

I understand truth hurts. Grow up poor old man.

YAWN

Next time you do this again. I will kick your ass again. You got that?
Remember you attack first. I was hoping we have a nice conversations but NOOOOO you run out of intelligent rebuttal you start the attack.
You should know better.

You couldn't figure out how to get out of a wet paper bag. SMFH

YAWN

I’m baaaaack.


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[charwin95]

Nah! Did they came back and raided it again?

Again farmers I know and they know do NOT hire from agencies unless they have to because of shortages.

SMFH until you are able to read and speak normal English don't bother making another incredibly ignorant comment. Outside your little group of butt buddies is a whole other world, one in which many farmers are using agencies to bring in H2A and legal workers. I suggest you get caught up on the times and get your head out of your ass. watafuknidiot

Please for fuck sake, read the links and then have someone explain them to you.
USA Farm Labor Jobs H2A Workers | USAFARMLABOR LLC

H2A & H2B Guest Worker Services | FEWA

Agri-Placements > Home

Home

I understand truth hurts. Grow up poor old man.

YAWN

Next time you do this again. I will kick your ass again. You got that?
Remember you attack first. I was hoping we have a nice conversations but NOOOOO you run out of intelligent rebuttal you start the attack.
You should know better.

You couldn't figure out how to get out of a wet paper bag. SMFH

YAWN

Really? When you cannot even defend yourself.

Because you hate these people so much. You downplayed or minimize the contributions of these illegal immigrants in our US economy especially here in California.

At the same time you are trying to maximize of these white and kids labor force using your experience based from your one city. That is one city.

I never said the entire USA are overwhelmed by illegals but there are very large portions of US states that can no longer be ignored of their presence and importance.

Yes there are (still left) city like yours that you see majority are white or black kids.

 

[charwin95]

Nah! Did they came back and raided it again?

Again farmers I know and they know do NOT hire from agencies unless they have to because of shortages.

SMFH until you are able to read and speak normal English don't bother making another incredibly ignorant comment. Outside your little group of butt buddies is a whole other world, one in which many farmers are using agencies to bring in H2A and legal workers. I suggest you get caught up on the times and get your head out of your ass. watafuknidiot

Please for fuck sake, read the links and then have someone explain them to you.
USA Farm Labor Jobs H2A Workers | USAFARMLABOR LLC

H2A & H2B Guest Worker Services | FEWA

Agri-Placements > Home

Home

I understand truth hurts. Grow up poor old man.

YAWN

Next time you do this again. I will kick your ass again. You got that?
Remember you attack first. I was hoping we have a nice conversations but NOOOOO you run out of intelligent rebuttal you start the attack.
You should know better.

You couldn't figure out how to get out of a wet paper bag. SMFH

YAWN

Part of my business I have a department called QA. Under that departments I have a program called:
1. Vendor or Supplier Qualification, Vendor Certification, Vendor Audit (FDA Standards).

2. Customer Qualifications, Customer Survey, Customer Satisfaction.

These require travel all over US and about 65% here in California. Year round and on going.

When my QA group performed these task most of the time I go with them. As soon I enter the lobby BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG( owner, CEO or president white, asian, middle easterners, black, diversity of the logistics and operations ( like assemblers & technicians), diversity of doctors, nurses, lab workers, janitor etc etc etc.

These where I meet tons of business owners, CEO or president from different categories. Most they became friends.

Most of these trips required 2 or 3 days of about 4 or 5 hours each days.

During breaks I go around the city like this year 2 times in San Jose and San Francisco, one in Bakersfield, Fresno and Sacramento. I checked out the city’s best and point of interest places. I also checked out places like car washes, restaurants and other franchises. In these cities I just mentioned I did not see a single white or black dude working in car washes.

Why I do these kind of stuff? This is naturally imbedded in my system.

For you to tell that my experience in labor force is minimum is funnier than hell.

 

[charwin95]

Im also a member of research group where I get paid for my opinion. It doesn’t pay much but it’s an honor.
First time I was asked to joined this research group was in the early 90s before the launch of Lexus and Infinity here in US.
Should it be under Toyota or Nissan dealership or should it be stand alone?

This is on going year round for different kind of products and sometimes it cost me more because I have to travel. But it’s an honor.

 

[KissMy]

How many of these illegals clean Trump Hotels???