Question from a non-American. Do you guys really hate each other?

[whitehall]

After treating Aboriginies like animals for a hundred years up until the 1960's or 70's a hypocrite Aussie has the balls to lecture Americans about equality. Go figure.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

The right hates everyone that they feel doesn't measure up to their archaic standards.

The left just wants the best for everyone.

LefTard Logic:
“Archaic standards = accountability, productivity, morality, decency, normalcy, Constitutional adherence, Christianity, heterosexuality.”

LefTard Logic:
“Archaic standards = accountability, productivity, morality, decency, normalcy, Constitutional adherence, Christianity, heterosexuality.”

Exactly what I said. Thanks for the example.

You don’t have to ‘say it’ bud....we know exactly what’s going on in your tiny little twisted mind...trust me, we know.

LOL
I already said it. You confirmed it.

Off-topic.

What was Hutch's name, faggot? Within 5 minutes.

 

[Papageorgio]

based on your list that would make them anti-communist

Unions aren't communism they are the only advocate workers have besides Democrats.

Please. Both unions and democrats, live off they confiscate from workers. Advocate my butt. Why is it Republicans have to pass a law, that "allows" workers to work without being forced to fund groups they don't support, if their only advocates are unions and democrats?

Pff..... you people.


That said, if you were actually right.... then I even now, wouldn't have nearly as much of a problem with Unions. But I routinely see Unions advocating bad socialistic economic policies. If Unions would stop doing stuff like that, and focus more exclusively on doing what is best for their members, instead of doing what is best for the Unions leadership... then I would be more sympathetic.

I wasn't looking to get into an argument about if unions are corrupt greedy lazy and bloated. That's what Republicans like you told us when you were sending all their good paying jobs overseas. And you wonder why Americans are struggling and not doing as well as we did before they broke our unions. No coincidence as union membership declined, so did the middle class. Another way the rich have widened the gap between us and them.

But now you see how Republicans were able to get away with sending all those jobs overseas. They were all union jobs. So no shit the middle class isn't doing as well today as they were before all their jobs disappeared. No shit Detroit is hurting. You sent all our high paying jobs overseas. Not to Tennessee you passed TN and sent them to Mexico..

Of course unions survive off what they collect from workers. Any worker not paying dues should not be protected by the union but they are. That should stop.

But that is why jobs were going over seas. You create a problem, and the problem leads to a counter actions, and then we told you why it was happening.

What part of that is hard to understand?

The unions broke themselves. They priced themselves above the market, and the market broke them.

You are arguing against the fundamentals of economics, like a crazy person would argue against gravity.

Right-winger "When you step off the edge, you will fall and hurt yourself"

Left-winger "You guys are just telling us we're going to fall, instead of fixing this!"

Consumers are naturally going to migrate towards cheaper alternatives. That's how free markets work. When the Unions made themselves expensive relative to non-union alternatives, then this is what happens.

Don't blame us for the fact that Toyota and Honda did not declare bankruptcy and close a bunch of plants, and even opened new plants, while GM and Chrysler both did.

Don't blame us when Hostess closes down, lays everyone off, and then reopens as a completely profitable, but non-union shop.

Unions destroyed themselves. Not us.

There is no one to blame but the man in the mirror for what has happened to the Unions.

Bottom line is American workers made the most so with or without unions corporations were going to send jobs overseas IF YOU LET THEM and not only did you let them you defended them

NAFTA helped move jobs to Mexico. Corporations did what was in their best interest and moved the manufacturing out of the states to places that had lower wages. The trend started under Clinton in the mid 90's when we were all so enamored with the dot com boom. So, we brought in hi-tech and let manufacturing go, now we can't turn it around, the jobs are gone. Politicians and unions sold out America...again.

 

[jehanne1431]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

Thanks for your thoughtful submission here, but you ask more questions than one can address. In my opinion, there is a level of real animosity. Friends and family members can no longer be in the same room because of their disgust the other one thinks the way they do. It was never like that before. But it has only come about since Trump was elected. It is far and away the fault of the left. They are far worse in their arrogance and anger and thoughtless accusations. It is all PERSONAL against Trump because the president’s ideas are good for America. So they attack all his bad habits or old sexual liason’s or fumbling words or bragging ways. (note: I am not exonerating Trump, he has his faults and poor way of handling things, but I am emphasizing the greater problems here, imo) The left is a disgrace because they have no altruistic ideas for America, they just are bitter they lost power and now act like children in every way. And the mainstream media in America is totally left wing, except for Fox. That means 6 out of 7 TV news networks and 90% of all major city newspapers are totally in bed witht the left wing and the democrats. They make mountains out of molehills on any lie or embellishment Trump has made his whole life on very small matters. But they coverup gigantic corruption, lies, denials, scandals on the left of their govt officials. This is insanity. But this is reality. And nations outside of the USA get the leftist version of the news almost exclusively.

Having said all that, I, personally, am convinced of the great ill for America is not political differences. It is a disregard for God. Simple as that. Far to many have no interest in God and do not care if He exists or not. And far, far too many Christians spout their belief in God but act like pagans in their affairs, be it their business, their pleasures, the way they speak of others or their token prayer life. This is why the world suffers, this why there is war, this is why there is hatred and this is why pride is the greatest sin the Bible speaks of. To me it is crystal clear…. to far too many others, they find it laughable.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Where do you get your opinions from? If you really believe the rich "Snow" the poor into voting for them, how do you explain the fact that it is the Democrats who are the party of the rich?

Party of the rich: In Congress, it's the Democrats

Mark

You are misguided. Sure both parties have to serve the rich but we all know the GOP is the party of the really rich and powerful who are

anti union
anti sick days
anti minimum wage
anti labor laws

We all know who the real party of the rich is. It's republicans. Take for example all the Supreme Court justices. The conservative ones always side with business and the liberal ones who democrats appointed consider the people's needs and wishes too not just the corporations.

You do know that the entire system is corrupted right? You have to be a millionaire to be a politician. And you have to raise millions so of course both sides have to cater to the rich.

Do you want campaign finance reform?

One more thing to prove how wrong you are. Which party wants the poor to show up and vote? And which party does the poor mostly vote for? The Democrats you say? That's right. So don't give me that shit that it's the Dems who are the party of the rich. That's just right wing spin.

Are you lying or do you believe what you said? Be honest. One reply will make you look stupid. One answer will prove you know you are full of shit.

You want proof? If you really believe that the rich are in it for themselves, why would the richest districts in America vote for Democrats instead of Republicans? Do you really believe that they are voting against their own self interests?

Be honest.

Mark

well since democrats want the people poor and complacent it makes sense

where as most republicans want people independent and prosperous and not a burden to humanity

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

My God, I can see history is not your strong point.

Mark

Interesting handle, do you have something in common with Hutch Starskey ?

 

[Marion Morrison]

5 minutes is up! Does Hutch Starskey know what Hutch's name is yet?

 

[progressive hunter]

I am not American but I do find American politics to be quite interesting in a sort of soap opera sort of way but one thing I really don't get is in America, unlike my own country (Australia) there seems to be a genuine hatred between the left and right, as in both would love to completely destroy the other and pretty much hate everything that the other side stands for.

I know my country the left wing party (Labor) and the right wing party (Liberals) are not too far away from each other politically, and while there is a lot of animosity there is not really any hatred. In America though I get the impression that the Republicans would have welcomed a recession when Obama was in charge as that way he would have been blamed, and Democrats would welcome a market crash now because he would be blamed, it seemingly not mattering that your country would be falling down a toilet, as long as the other side gets the blame for it.

Admittedly I don't know the politics of every fully Democratic nation, that would be impossible, but as far as I know America is quite unique in just how much both sides hate each other.

My question is do both sides genuinely hate each other, would each side be happy to see America burn if they could blame the other side, and if this is the case?

I also must admit that the differences between the US states is quite amazing. I go from one state in my own country to another, and basically they are the same, more or less anyway, but in America I get the feeling that New York and California are so different to Texas and Alabama that they may as well be in different countries in terms of beliefs and general ideology on almost every issue. I find it amazing that these states are in the same country as it almost feels as convoluted as the Austro-Hungarian empire, with dozens of different ethnic groups within the one country, all wanting very different things and none of them feeling that united.

So my general question is how divided is America, is it so divided that one side of politics would love to see America enter a deep depression just so the other political party could be blamed for it, and if so is that a healthy situation to be in?

Not that I am advocating for it, but with the massive differences between the red and the blue states America from an outsiders point of view seems like it is in a very unhappy marriage where both parties are staying together for the sake of the children, but end up fighting a lot in front of the children and making them cry so I wonder, if what I am saying is remotely accurate why isn't there more talk about an amicable divorce, where the blue states go their own way and the red states go another, where both sides can go the direction they want to go and seemingly not being held back by the other side.

I mean, do the people of Alabama really care that much about the people of New York, or vice-versa? Also is politics and America in general as divided as I have made out, or is America more like siblings who hate each other and will kick the crap out of each other but deep down love each other as well, even though they would never admit it?

Thanks for your thoughtful submission here, but you ask more questions than one can address. In my opinion, there is a level of real animosity. Friends and family members can no longer be in the same room because of their disgust the other one thinks the way they do. It was never like that before. But it has only come about since Trump was elected. It is far and away the fault of the left. They are far worse in their arrogance and anger and thoughtless accusations. It is all PERSONAL against Trump because the president’s ideas are good for America. So they attack all his bad habits or old sexual liason’s or fumbling words or bragging ways. The left is a disgrace because they have no altruistic ideas for America, they just are bitter they lost power and now act like children in every way. And the mainstream media in America is totally left wing, except for Fox. That means 6 out of 7 TV news networks and 90% of all major city newspapers are totally in bed witht the left wing and the democrats. They make mountains out of molehills on any lie or embellishment Trump has made his whole life on very small matters. But they coverup gigantic corruption, lies, denials, scandals on the left of their govt officials. This is insanity. But this is reality. And nations outside of the USA get the leftist version of the news almost exclusively.

Having said all that, I, personally, am convinced of the great ill for America is not political differences. It is a disregard for God. Simple as that. Far to many have no interest in God and do not care if He exists or not. And far, far too many Christians spout their belief in God but act like pagans in their affairs, be it their business, their pleasures, the way they speak of others or their token prayer life. This is why the world suffers, this why there is war, this is why there is hatred and this is why pride is the greatest sin the Bible speaks of. To me it is crystal clear…. to far too many others, they find it laughable.

a lack of god is also why dems and repubes think its OK to lie cheat and steal from the american people

 

[progressive hunter]

The right hates everyone that they feel doesn't measure up to their archaic standards.

The left just wants the best for everyone.

LefTard Logic:
“Archaic standards = accountability, productivity, morality, decency, normalcy, Constitutional adherence, Christianity, heterosexuality.”

LefTard Logic:
“Archaic standards = accountability, productivity, morality, decency, normalcy, Constitutional adherence, Christianity, heterosexuality.”

Exactly what I said. Thanks for the example.

You don’t have to ‘say it’ bud....we know exactly what’s going on in your tiny little twisted mind...trust me, we know.

LOL
I already said it. You confirmed it.

Off-topic.

What was Hutch's name, faggot? Within 5 minutes.

FAGOT???

THATS sure to get a response

 

[progressive hunter]

5 minutes is up! Does Hutch Starskey know what Hutch's name is yet?

who cares fagot???

 

[80zephyr]

You are misguided. Sure both parties have to serve the rich but we all know the GOP is the party of the really rich and powerful who are

anti union
anti sick days
anti minimum wage
anti labor laws

We all know who the real party of the rich is. It's republicans. Take for example all the Supreme Court justices. The conservative ones always side with business and the liberal ones who democrats appointed consider the people's needs and wishes too not just the corporations.

You do know that the entire system is corrupted right? You have to be a millionaire to be a politician. And you have to raise millions so of course both sides have to cater to the rich.

Do you want campaign finance reform?

One more thing to prove how wrong you are. Which party wants the poor to show up and vote? And which party does the poor mostly vote for? The Democrats you say? That's right. So don't give me that shit that it's the Dems who are the party of the rich. That's just right wing spin.

Are you lying or do you believe what you said? Be honest. One reply will make you look stupid. One answer will prove you know you are full of shit.

You want proof? If you really believe that the rich are in it for themselves, why would the richest districts in America vote for Democrats instead of Republicans? Do you really believe that they are voting against their own self interests?

Be honest.

Mark

well since democrats want the people poor and complacent it makes sense

where as most republicans want people independent and prosperous and not a burden to humanity

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

My God, I can see history is not your strong point.

Mark

Interesting handle, do you have something in common with Hutch Starskey ?

Lol. Nope. I was looking for a handle some years ago and used the name of a car I bought to toy with, a 1980 Mercury Zephyr.

Mark

 

[RUNVS]

After treating Aboriginies like animals for a hundred years up until the 1960's or 70's a hypocrite Aussie has the balls to lecture Americans about equality. Go figure.

I am not lecturing anyone, and I don't think I even touched upon the topic of equality in my original post. Also I agree, my country was awful to the Aboriginal people for a long time, and even today there is still a lot of work to be done to make up for that.

My country is far from perfect, I am happy to admit that, but I did not think you guys would be too interested hearing about those issues since I doubt many Americans really care about how the National Broadband Network in Australia is being mismanaged, or how my country has perfected internal party backstabbing so well that we are changing Prime Ministers every 2 years.

 

[whitehall]

After treating Aboriginies like animals for a hundred years up until the 1960's or 70's a hypocrite Aussie has the balls to lecture Americans about equality. Go figure.

I am not lecturing anyone, and I don't think I even touched upon the topic of equality in my original post. Also I agree, my country was awful to the Aboriginal people for a long time, and even today there is still a lot of work to be done to make up for that.

My country is far from perfect, I am happy to admit that, but I did not think you guys would be too interested hearing about those issues since I doubt many Americans really care about how the National Broadband Network in Australia is being mismanaged, or how my country has perfected internal party backstabbing so well that we are changing Prime Ministers every 2 years.

Maybe Aussies need to solve their own problems instead of imagining problems in the U.S. Making a claim that republicans would welcome a recession during the Obama years is a illustration of ignorance. There was a recession during the eight stagnant Obama years and his administration did nothing to halt the stagnation except to promote ludicrous federal programs like "cash for clunkers".

 

[jehanne1431]

After treating Aboriginies like animals for a hundred years up until the 1960's or 70's a hypocrite Aussie has the balls to lecture Americans about equality. Go figure.

I am not lecturing anyone, and I don't think I even touched upon the topic of equality in my original post. Also I agree, my country was awful to the Aboriginal people for a long time, and even today there is still a lot of work to be done to make up for that.

My country is far from perfect, I am happy to admit that, but I did not think you guys would be too interested hearing about those issues since I doubt many Americans really care about how the National Broadband Network in Australia is being mismanaged, or how my country has perfected internal party backstabbing so well that we are changing Prime Ministers every 2 years.

Maybe Aussies need to solve their own problems instead of imagining problems in the U.S.

Maybe she makes a lot more sense than your last two comments.

 

[Marion Morrison]

You want proof? If you really believe that the rich are in it for themselves, why would the richest districts in America vote for Democrats instead of Republicans? Do you really believe that they are voting against their own self interests?

Be honest.

Mark

well since democrats want the people poor and complacent it makes sense

where as most republicans want people independent and prosperous and not a burden to humanity

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

My God, I can see history is not your strong point.

Mark

Interesting handle, do you have something in common with Hutch Starskey ?

Lol. Nope. I was looking for a handle some years ago and used the name of a car I bought to toy with, a 1980 Mercury Zephyr.

Mark

It so happens that's the car from Starskey & Hutch.

Probably a 351 Cleveland under the hood.

 

[Marion Morrison]

5 minutes is up! Does Hutch Starskey know what Hutch's name is yet?

who cares fagot???

When is the last time somebody told you to go squat on a cactus and rotate, fuckstick?

 

[Marion Morrison]

39 minutes ago.

The answer is David Soul.

 

[progressive hunter]

5 minutes is up! Does Hutch Starskey know what Hutch's name is yet?

who cares fagot???

When is the last time somebody told you to go squat on a cactus and rotate, fuckstick?

daily

 

[progressive hunter]

well since democrats want the people poor and complacent it makes sense

where as most republicans want people independent and prosperous and not a burden to humanity

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

My God, I can see history is not your strong point.

Mark

Interesting handle, do you have something in common with Hutch Starskey ?

Lol. Nope. I was looking for a handle some years ago and used the name of a car I bought to toy with, a 1980 Mercury Zephyr.

Mark

It so happens that's the car from Starskey & Hutch.

Probably a 351 Cleveland under the hood.

hey dumbass it was a torino not a zephyr

 

[Marion Morrison]

All I can tell you is what Michigan was like when unions ruled. The Big 3 made record profits and so did their employees. The UAW created a middle class the world has never seen before. But you Republicans didn't like sharing profits with the workers so you sent all their jobs overseas but first you spent a decade badmouthing the unions.

The American people don't realize the only reason they make as much as they do today is because of unions.

Democrats want a huge fat big middle class. Republican policies create a small rich class, small middle/merchant class and the masses are poor. Basically what we have right now is the Republicans wet dream. MAGA my ass.

My God, I can see history is not your strong point.

Mark

Interesting handle, do you have something in common with Hutch Starskey ?

Lol. Nope. I was looking for a handle some years ago and used the name of a car I bought to toy with, a 1980 Mercury Zephyr.

Mark

It so happens that's the car from Starskey & Hutch.

Probably a 351 Cleveland under the hood.

hey dumbass it was a torino not a zephyr

Bullshit. Mercury Zephyr. Same car, btw.

 

[Marion Morrison]

5 minutes is up! Does Hutch Starskey know what Hutch's name is yet?

who cares fagot???

When is the last time somebody told you to go squat on a cactus and rotate, fuckstick?

daily

Ever stop to think there's a reason for that?