Questions on Decriminalization/Legalization movement

[nodoginnafight]

Keeping weed illegal and expensive therefore, does two things:

1. Deters kids from getting to it as readily which
A. Makes it harder for them to get and
B. Keeps it more enticing to keep them from going after easy meth or heroin

2. Preserves an entire nation's stability and in strategic alliance with the US.

Making it legal and inexpensive will make tobacco companies rich. Hippies are so stupid.

LOL - hippies may be stupid, but your arguments are not any better.

Legalizing pot will make it harder for kids to get it. Kids can get pot right now a lot easier than they can get booze. Drug dealers don't ask for ID. So 1 A & B are shot to hell.

as for #2 - Arguing that illegal drug trade is what is keeping Mexico "stable" is absurd. Tell that to the families of all those who have been killed in the drug wars and in the war on drugs. I believe their perspective on that is a lot better than your and I know EXACTLY what they would say.

So that's two strikes against you - better up your game quick.

 

[Katzndogz]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

 

[nodoginnafight]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

So the way to maintain unity is to just do everything exactly the way you want, huh?

Sorry. Ain't happening.

 

[Katzndogz]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

So the way to maintain unity is to just do everything exactly the way you want, huh?

Sorry. Ain't happening.

Of course it ain't. How many successful countries have a significant number of its people addicted to drugs?

 

[MikeK]

That would be how a socialist would see it. This is America. There is nothing evil about profit or making money.

Don't knock socialism because a healthy dose of socialist regulation is exactly what the American economy needs. And while there is nothing evil about profit or making money, per se, the kind of laissez-faire capitalism and the accompanying accumulation of excessive wealth which has been happening since Reaganomics pushed our economy off track is as evil as it gets.

However, there is something wrong with the federal government outlawing the cultivation of commercial hemp. Benjamin Franklin was a hemp farmer and I am pretty sure he wouldn't agree with the over-reaching Drug War or the funding of Cartels and Gangsters that result from the prohibition of Marijuana.

The fact is marijuana prohibition was enacted as a means of banning the cultivation of hemp, which, at the turn of the century, represented a substantial threat to several major financial interests including the Hearst newspaper cartel, the DuPont corporation, and several others. The full story may be found in Jack Herer's well-documented book, The Emperor Wears No Clothes, (available from amazon). But the following is a brief outline of the reason why a benign substance like marijuana has been persecuted for over eighty years.

Back in the early 1900s, William Randolph Hearst, the immensely wealthy and powerful newspaper magnate, purchased an enormous amount of pine timber acreage in northern Maine. He also contracted for timber-cutting and trimming operations and for railroad transportation of huge amounts of cut timber, and he contracted with the DuPont chemical corporation to process the delivered pine timber into pulp for the manufacture of paper, which Hearst needed to supply his vast newspaper empire. The Mellon Bank of Pittsburgh was also heavily invested in this enterprise.

Shortly after this highly profitable operation had commenced supplying Hearst's newsprint needs a process (decortication) was discovered which enabled the production of a superior grade of newsprint from easily cultivated hemp fiber without the need for using environmentally damaging acids in the process. This process represented a substantial threat to Hearst, DuPont, the Mellon bank, and other corporate interests.

Andrew Mellon, who was on close friendly terms with President Herbert Hoover, was appointed Treasury Secretary. It is a matter of record that several secret meetings were held at the White House which included Secretary Mellon, Mr. Hearst, and ranking executives of DuPont. At some point between then and 1937, Secretary Mellon created The Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, and he appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry Anslinger, as head of that agency.

Soon after his appointment, Anslinger set about to identify marijuana (hemp) as a dangerous drug and, in 1937, banned its cultivation and possession and demanding its destruction wherever found. At the same time Hearst financed production of the now-infamous propaganda film, Reefer Madness. And the rest is history.

Again, what I've provided above is a brief outline. Anyone who is interested in learning more is urged to read Herer's book, every item of which is well documented with authoritative references. Those who are not interested in buying this fascinating book are invited to read it FREE right here: The Book « JackHerer.com

 

[Harry Dresden]

The drug industry is so altruistic that they have no intention of making money off of American addiction. It's for the love of all mankind.

This is how drugs work they impair judgment. No addict could be expected to recognize the danger of addiction. It will always be wrong to want to stop an addict from using. It's the victims who complain, law enforcement who takes them off the streets or courts who put them away.

Katz is like a Nazi and anyone who enjoys using recreational marijuana is a Jew.

"Into the showers you sub-human addicts!"

Katz is the type of person who "Reefer Madness" was produced for....she would buy it hook,line and sinker....and then come in here and quote from it....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And if the majority of people decide not to make a harmful drug legal?

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then i guess it wont be made legal.....but look at what people thought back in 1980 as compared to now....how many States back then had Medical Pot as compared to know?...is the attitude about Pot becoming more for at least decriminalizing it or making penalties more harsh?...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Cannabis is not a drug, nor is it addictive. It is deliberately mischaracterized by the DEA.

Simple answer: government needs to stop lying about it.

If the government needs to stop lying about it, it would then tell you it knows it is a multi billion dollar industry that used to stablize the economy of Mexico. And that now becoming legal for anyone to produce and sell, will cause the price of it to plummet and has done just that. Those involved in the new gold rush should enjoy their extremely tiny window of time for huge profits. Soon they won't be able to give it away on the streetcorner to kindergartners.

Meanwhile prepare for Mexico to disintegrate internally. Just in time for Russia to be advancing, doing more submarine tours in the Gulf or illegal flyovers with their fighter jets on the West Coast [both happened in the last couple of years]. Russia and China's pal Venezuela will smile through its rotting teeth as the Southern border of the US becomes a free for all. This is all too big for a pot head to take in though. They're too busy "just chillin'".

Tobacco companies have already bought up huge tracts of land preparing to crop out the green gold and when they do, that industry and a large part of Mexican economy will go "poof" up in smoke.

Keeping weed illegal and expensive therefore, does two things:

1. Deters kids from getting to it as readily which
A. Makes it harder for them to get and
B. Keeps it more enticing to keep them from going after easy meth or heroin

2. Preserves an entire nation's stability and in strategic alliance with the US.

Making it legal and inexpensive will make tobacco companies rich. Hippies are so stupid.

yea like only "Hippies" smoke Pot right?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

i knew guys in the military who toked up.....and fought in some of our wars....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

So the way to maintain unity is to just do everything exactly the way you want, huh?

Sorry. Ain't happening.

Of course it ain't. How many successful countries have a significant number of its people addicted to drugs?

we have had people doing drugs for quite a while.....we have done pretty good....same with Europe.....

 

[MikeK]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

i knew guys in the military who toked up.....and fought in some of our wars....

My first marijuana experience was on Okinawa in 1957. It was in a Quonset hut barracks where I lived with 29 other Marines. On week-ends those who didn't get drunk on beer at the "slop-chute" (EM Club) got stoned on pot we bought from the native mama-sans who did our laundry. And it was the most potent I've ever experienced. Purple Indica so resinous it ran down the rolling paper and stuck to the fingers.

As I recall, those guys were some bad-asses.

 

[thanatos144]

And if the majority of people decide not to make a harmful drug legal?

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then i guess it wont be made legal.....but look at what people thought back in 1980 as compared to now....how many States back then had Medical Pot as compared to know?...is the attitude about Pot becoming more for at least decriminalizing it or making penalties more harsh?...

All pot does is increase appetite. ... it sucks as a pain killer and only fucking morons think a carcinogen is good for cancer. To be blunt medical pot is based on lies

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[Katzndogz]

So the way to maintain unity is to just do everything exactly the way you want, huh?

Sorry. Ain't happening.

Of course it ain't. How many successful countries have a significant number of its people addicted to drugs?

we have had people doing drugs for quite a while.....we have done pretty good....same with Europe.....

Yes we see just how good.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The legalization of drugs is just one more thing that contributes to the divisions and makes it more likely that that the nation cannot maintain unity. All it means is that potheads will be less likely to put up a fight when the end comes.

i knew guys in the military who toked up.....and fought in some of our wars....

My first marijuana experience was on Okinawa in 1957. It was in a Quonset hut barracks where I lived with 29 other Marines. On week-ends those who didn't get drunk on beer at the "slop-chute" (EM Club) got stoned on pot we bought from the native mama-sans who did our laundry. And it was the most potent I've ever experienced. Purple Indica so resinous it ran down the rolling paper and stuck to the fingers.

As I recall, those guys were some bad-asses.

you have to understand...people like Katz only go by what they have read,but have zero practical experience with pot or the people who do it....but she will tell you she has and then tell some extreme stories to prove she has "experience"....

 

[Harry Dresden]

And if the majority of people decide not to make a harmful drug legal?

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then i guess it wont be made legal.....but look at what people thought back in 1980 as compared to now....how many States back then had Medical Pot as compared to know?...is the attitude about Pot becoming more for at least decriminalizing it or making penalties more harsh?...

All pot does is increase appetite. ... it sucks as a pain killer and only fucking morons think a carcinogen is good for cancer. To be blunt medical pot is based on lies

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All pot does is increase appetite

which is what the cancer patient wants....

it sucks as a pain killer

not to everyone....

only fucking morons think a carcinogen is good for cancer.

who said its good for Cancer?.....most cancer patients want it for the appetite increase and the anti nauseous effect......if you have Cancer and are going to die....do you think that person should be concerned he is going to get Cancer from smoking Pot, if Pot makes the guy feel better than any of those fucking drugs they inject them with?.....

To be blunt medical pot is based on lies

prove it....and for every link you put up i will put one up countering it.....you sound like that stupid Republican Senator at the Congressional hearings on Medical Pot back in the 90's......a Cancer Doctor from the Mayo Clinic was telling them...if a person who is at the end of his days and the Pot is helping the person eat and be able to keep food down and dulls the pain for them....whats the point in keeping it from them?....the Congress idiot said.....are you mad?....you are advocating giving them a dangerous drug which may damage them.....and you a Doctor....are ok with this?....the Doctors on the panel were looking at the guy like Galileo must have looked at the idiots he had to deal with....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Of course it ain't. How many successful countries have a significant number of its people addicted to drugs?

we have had people doing drugs for quite a while.....we have done pretty good....same with Europe.....

Yes we see just how good.

people have been doing drugs a long time Katz....it is not something that just started in the last few years.....when your out in a crowd many of those people may smoke Pot at the house.....many are pretty successful at what they do too.....

 

[thanatos144]

we have had people doing drugs for quite a while.....we have done pretty good....same with Europe.....

Yes we see just how good.

people have been doing drugs a long time Katz....it is not something that just started in the last few years.....when your out in a crowd many of those people may smoke Pot at the house.....many are pretty successful at what they do too.....

People have been murdering and raping a long time as well should we legalize that?

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[thanatos144]

then i guess it wont be made legal.....but look at what people thought back in 1980 as compared to now....how many States back then had Medical Pot as compared to know?...is the attitude about Pot becoming more for at least decriminalizing it or making penalties more harsh?...

All pot does is increase appetite. ... it sucks as a pain killer and only fucking morons think a carcinogen is good for cancer. To be blunt medical pot is based on lies

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All pot does is increase appetite

which is what the cancer patient wants....

it sucks as a pain killer

not to everyone....

only fucking morons think a carcinogen is good for cancer.

who said its good for Cancer?.....most cancer patients want it for the appetite increase and the anti nauseous effect......if you have Cancer and are going to die....do you think that person should be concerned he is going to get Cancer from smoking Pot, if Pot makes the guy feel better than any of those fucking drugs they inject them with?.....

To be blunt medical pot is based on lies

prove it....and for every link you put up i will put one up countering it.....you sound like that stupid Republican Senator at the Congressional hearings on Medical Pot back in the 90's......a Cancer Doctor from the Mayo Clinic was telling them...if a person who is at the end of his days and the Pot is helping the person eat and be able to keep food down and dulls the pain for them....whats the point in keeping it from them?....the Congress idiot said.....are you mad?....you are advocating giving them a dangerous drug which may damage them.....and you a Doctor....are ok with this?....the Doctors on the panel were looking at the guy like Galileo must have looked at the idiots he had to deal with....

No reason to keep it from them if they were the only ones using it

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[FA_Q2]

Yes we see just how good.

people have been doing drugs a long time Katz....it is not something that just started in the last few years.....when your out in a crowd many of those people may smoke Pot at the house.....many are pretty successful at what they do too.....

People have been murdering and raping a long time as well should we legalize that?

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Victim.

That is the difference not that you seem to understand. Those crimes involve an unwilling 'participant' who is victimized. Since there is no unwilling victim in drug abuse, the entire analogy is asinine.

 

[thanatos144]

people have been doing drugs a long time Katz....it is not something that just started in the last few years.....when your out in a crowd many of those people may smoke Pot at the house.....many are pretty successful at what they do too.....

People have been murdering and raping a long time as well should we legalize that?

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Victim.

That is the difference not that you seem to understand. Those crimes involve an unwilling 'participant' who is victimized. Since there is no unwilling victim in drug abuse, the entire analogy is asinine.

Your ignorance of how drugs addiction effects more then just you is astounding. ...... this country isn't ready for legal pot because of people like you

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