R-W'ers on here wanted "proof" of Trump-Russia collusion....

[Weatherman2020]

The left hate the Constitution

....and you hate America but love the orange moron.....LOL

How many flags you Trump haters going to burn this weekend?

 

[nat4900]

How many flags you Trump haters going to burn this weekend?

Well, I may start with Russia's flag, next (one of your favorites), the Confederate flag......LOL

 

[NightFox]

...and your point is? or do you think that the President can exempt himself from statute by issuing EOs? If so then you don't understand how our system of law works. The President can issue an EO based on authority derived from standing statute or the Constitution.

The President is subject to duly passed laws and cannot legally declassify material that is classified by statute unless such action is within the dictates of the existing statute, for example AEA or IIPA classified material; in other words he/she has to obey the law.

BUT IT IS DIFFERENT WHEN CHICAGO JESUS DID IT!

Ummmm..No, President Nimrod didn't declassify material by decree that was specifically classified by statute.

You don't seem to understand that the President CAN declassify SOME material at his/her discretion using authority derived from existing statute or the Constitution, he/she CANNOT declassify material that is specifically classified under existing statute (like for example nuclear secrets or the identities of foreign agents) without following the procedures and conditions set forth in the applicable statutes.

In other words contrary to your initial claim the President cannot declassify anything he/she wants, however he/she wants, whenever he/she wants.

Obamanation White House made it a routine habit to let secret intel out.
That’s different because shut up.

FLASHBACK: Obama’s CIA Director Leaked Top Secret Bin Laden Raid Intel To Hollywood: When the Obama administration leaked classified information about military maneuvers and secret cyber attacks, media was silent.

Related: 2014: White House mistakenly identifies CIA chief in Afghanistan.

Plus, June, 2016: U.S. offers to share Syria intelligence on terrorists with Russia.

Wow, you just cannot grasp the concept of the President not being above the law when it comes to the declassification of material can you? I didn't realize that it was such a difficult concept to grasp as it's pretty straightforward and logical but apparently it's more than some can get their heads around.

Flailing about and pointing to the previous asshole in the White House as an attempt at obfuscating the fact that you didn't understand the legal question before making the claim that you did doesn't help your cause.

You love proving you're an idiot!

"Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

*Sigh* As usual you're wrong, as I've said about a dozen times the President does not have the authority to bypass statutory classification such as AEA and IIPA classified information, in other words He can't declassify nuclear secrets or the names of intelligence agents on whim; he is legally required to abide by the restrictions and procedures outlined in standing law.

Sorry to be the one to break your "President as Emperor" bubble but executive authority in the U.S. isn't unlimited.

Perhaps instead of relying on media talking heads to get your information you might want to look at competent legal analysis of the question at hand such as:
https://fas.org/sgp/eprint/egan.pdf

The relevant passage is here:
"The Justice Department explored the potential conflict between presidential authority and statutory policy. It argued that the President’s authority over access to classified information in executive agencies “exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. It flows directly from the constitutional vesting of the ‘executive Power’ in the President and the President’s powers as ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy.’”

The existence of constitutional duties for the President does not mean exclusive and plenary power. It means that presidential authority may exist in the absence of statutory authority but can be narrowed and redirected by congressional policy. Later in this brief the Justice Department says precisely that: “Absent an unambiguous grant of jurisdiction by Congress, courts have traditionally been reluctant to intrude upon the authority of the executive in military and national security affairs.” Debate about presidential “constitutional powers” therefore turns on what Congress provides in its statutes."

In other words if it was shown that the President violated the conditions set forth in the IIPA (for example if he gave the Russians the names of intelligence agents) he would be subject to prosecution; you know the same kind of shit that got the Bush II Administration in hot water over Valerie Plame.

That being said I am not saying that Trump actually did anything wrong in the case in point, just that he can't use the "President can declassify anything he wants" defense in a case where his actions violated existing statute.

 

[Wyatt earp]

You love proving you're an idiot!

"Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."

Well, fuck, let Trump then "declassify" our nuclear codes to Putin....and perhaps also China....
After all, the orange moron can......according to you idiots, "declassify at will."....LOL

What will they do ? Push the button and nuke themselves.....





.

 

[iceberg]

I'm not a Republican.

As the shit piles on Trump, NONE of you morons will admit the above.....LOL

didn't you already get seriously teabagged for this statement already???

 

[Doc1]

I'm not a Republican.

As the shit piles on Trump, NONE of you morons will admit the above.....LOL

didn't you already get seriously teabagged for this statement already???

Nat's just another hack.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

..........and our "beloved" orange-in-chief just provided the proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate to right wingers since the president can (according to them) do ANYTHING he wants....and as Nixon famously once stated, "if the president does something, it CANNOT, de facto, be called illegal.."

Trump's low self esteem and narcissistic tendencies need constant approval, and to show off to the Russians that he is privy to the most sensitive info., compelled this idiot to share intelligence that WILL (most likely) place individual spies at risk AND also cause for such intelligence to stop flowing to the WH since we have a moron with a big mouth in charge.

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies and if ever proof was needed, Trump voluntarily has provided such proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

 

[iceberg]

I'm not a Republican.

As the shit piles on Trump, NONE of you morons will admit the above.....LOL

didn't you already get seriously teabagged for this statement already???

Nat's just another hack.

yea, i just thought pointing out the teabagging would be fun.

 

[Papageorgio]

..........and our "beloved" orange-in-chief just provided the proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate to right wingers since the president can (according to them) do ANYTHING he wants....and as Nixon famously once stated, "if the president does something, it CANNOT, de facto, be called illegal.."

Trump's low self esteem and narcissistic tendencies need constant approval, and to show off to the Russians that he is privy to the most sensitive info., compelled this idiot to share intelligence that WILL (most likely) place individual spies at risk AND also cause for such intelligence to stop flowing to the WH since we have a moron with a big mouth in charge.

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies and if ever proof was needed, Trump voluntarily has provided such proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

So there is nothing wrong with it being done, you just don't like it when the other guy does it.

 

[Doc1]

..........and our "beloved" orange-in-chief just provided the proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate to right wingers since the president can (according to them) do ANYTHING he wants....and as Nixon famously once stated, "if the president does something, it CANNOT, de facto, be called illegal.."

Trump's low self esteem and narcissistic tendencies need constant approval, and to show off to the Russians that he is privy to the most sensitive info., compelled this idiot to share intelligence that WILL (most likely) place individual spies at risk AND also cause for such intelligence to stop flowing to the WH since we have a moron with a big mouth in charge.

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies and if ever proof was needed, Trump voluntarily has provided such proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

Why? You're accepting complete hearsay on everything. You don't get to demand shit kid.

 

[Doc1]

..........and our "beloved" orange-in-chief just provided the proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate to right wingers since the president can (according to them) do ANYTHING he wants....and as Nixon famously once stated, "if the president does something, it CANNOT, de facto, be called illegal.."

Trump's low self esteem and narcissistic tendencies need constant approval, and to show off to the Russians that he is privy to the most sensitive info., compelled this idiot to share intelligence that WILL (most likely) place individual spies at risk AND also cause for such intelligence to stop flowing to the WH since we have a moron with a big mouth in charge.

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies and if ever proof was needed, Trump voluntarily has provided such proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

So there is nothing wrong with it being done, you just don't like it when the other guy does it.

Exactly.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

..........and our "beloved" orange-in-chief just provided the proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate to right wingers since the president can (according to them) do ANYTHING he wants....and as Nixon famously once stated, "if the president does something, it CANNOT, de facto, be called illegal.."

Trump's low self esteem and narcissistic tendencies need constant approval, and to show off to the Russians that he is privy to the most sensitive info., compelled this idiot to share intelligence that WILL (most likely) place individual spies at risk AND also cause for such intelligence to stop flowing to the WH since we have a moron with a big mouth in charge.

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies and if ever proof was needed, Trump voluntarily has provided such proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

Why? You're accepting complete hearsay on everything. You don't get to demand shit kid.

Well, if it's all simply heresay, then you really can't show them to be the same. Can you?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

..........and our "beloved" orange-in-chief just provided the proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate to right wingers since the president can (according to them) do ANYTHING he wants....and as Nixon famously once stated, "if the president does something, it CANNOT, de facto, be called illegal.."

Trump's low self esteem and narcissistic tendencies need constant approval, and to show off to the Russians that he is privy to the most sensitive info., compelled this idiot to share intelligence that WILL (most likely) place individual spies at risk AND also cause for such intelligence to stop flowing to the WH since we have a moron with a big mouth in charge.

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies and if ever proof was needed, Trump voluntarily has provided such proof.

Disclosing classified intelligence to our arch-enemy, Russia, may seem perfectly legitimate

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

Whether Trump knows it or not, he IS colluding with Russian spies

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

So there is nothing wrong with it being done, you just don't like it when the other guy does it.

There's nothing wrong with it being done as long as it's done properly.

Like I said, outline the process by which each was done. Why can't you do that? Are you afraid That I may have a point?

 

[easyt65]

Another new day...STILL no evidence.

 

[Dragonlady]

faux news, faux outrage.....we allowed the sale of a mining company in the U.S. to Russians, but not a single drop of uranium mined by them can leave the USA, so the sale was immaterial....

You leftists just keep on lying.

"The mining company, Uranium One, was originally based in South Africa, but merged in 2007 with Canada-based UrAsia Energy. Shareholders there retained a controlling interest until 2010, when Russia’s nuclear agency, Rosatom, completed purchase of a 51% stake. Hillary Clinton played a part in the transaction because it involved the transfer of ownership of a material deemed important to national security — uranium, amounting to one-fifth of U.S. reserves — thus requiring the approval of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), on which the U.S. Secretary of State sits."

huh? what did I lie about? WHAT in your post proves I lied about Uranium One not shipping ANY uranium out of the USA?

FYI- Uranium One has no export license to ship their uranium mined out of the USA.

you've been HAD

Uranium One is now owned by the Russians thanks to Hillary dufus. They now have 20% of our uranium in exchange for paying Clinton a bribe.

they own a mining company in the USA who can only sell their Uranium mined to USA processing companies, just like the primary owner before the Russians took the position of primary owner...

As far as your ill informed Clinton bribe accusation, Clinton was a Senator when these people donated to the Clinton Foundation Charity,

there is no way she could possibly know she would become secretary of State and be 1 of the 9 dept heads to even make the decision to approve the sale? She couldn't, silly one!

You may remain uneducated on the subject! No skin off my nose!

No you're the uneducated one. You believe Trump's lie that she did this. Trump loves it when his marks don't question his scams.

LOOK AT THE FACTS.

 

[Dragonlady]

Funny how bribes - I mean donations - dried up at the Clinton Foundation 11/9/16

no they didn't, Clinton just closed one arm of the many arms of the Clinton foundation.....

and they had been winding down on the foundation because you guys INSISTED it was a conflict of interest if she became president....

AND UNLIKE president Trump, she was willing to give it up, for the presidency sanctity....

Stop with the bullshit lies, enough is enough. Donations dried up after she lost.

No they didn't. The work of the Foundation continues. That's because the Clinton Foundation is a REAL charity, doing well respected work.

 

[Doc1]

Odd, haven't heard of anyone claiming it was illegal.
You know more about it than the pundits on CNN, etc?
They all seem to acknowledge the President can declassify what he wants

sounds like an opinion, back up by ....


sorry, it's not backed up by anything

It's not illegal at all. It is enormously inappropriate and irresponsible to do what he did.

How are you so sure? You saw nothing wrong with sending secrets to China or Obama giving secrets to Russia?

Outline the process by which each was done and report back.

Why? You're accepting complete hearsay on everything. You don't get to demand shit kid.

Well, if it's all simply heresay, then you really can't show them to be the same. Can you?

One doesn't get it both ways does one?

 

[Doc1]

Funny how bribes - I mean donations - dried up at the Clinton Foundation 11/9/16

no they didn't, Clinton just closed one arm of the many arms of the Clinton foundation.....

and they had been winding down on the foundation because you guys INSISTED it was a conflict of interest if she became president....

AND UNLIKE president Trump, she was willing to give it up, for the presidency sanctity....

Stop with the bullshit lies, enough is enough. Donations dried up after she lost.

No they didn't. The work of the Foundation continues. That's because the Clinton Foundation is a REAL charity, doing well respected work.

Clearly you aren't keeping up.

"Clinton Global Initiative to shut down, lays off 22 as donations dry up"

Clinton Global Initiative lays off 22 as donations dry up, will shut down in April

 

[Weatherman2020]

Funny how bribes - I mean donations - dried up at the Clinton Foundation 11/9/16

no they didn't, Clinton just closed one arm of the many arms of the Clinton foundation.....

and they had been winding down on the foundation because you guys INSISTED it was a conflict of interest if she became president....

AND UNLIKE president Trump, she was willing to give it up, for the presidency sanctity....

Stop with the bullshit lies, enough is enough. Donations dried up after she lost.

No they didn't. The work of the Foundation continues. That's because the Clinton Foundation is a REAL charity, doing well respected work.

Clinton Foundation is closing their doors, dufus. For some funny reason donations dried up after Nov 9, 2016 as if something drastic happened that day.
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...on-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

 

[Wyatt earp]

Funny how bribes - I mean donations - dried up at the Clinton Foundation 11/9/16

no they didn't, Clinton just closed one arm of the many arms of the Clinton foundation.....

and they had been winding down on the foundation because you guys INSISTED it was a conflict of interest if she became president....

AND UNLIKE president Trump, she was willing to give it up, for the presidency sanctity....

Stop with the bullshit lies, enough is enough. Donations dried up after she lost.

No they didn't. The work of the Foundation continues. That's because the Clinton Foundation is a REAL charity, doing well respected work.

Clinton Foundation is closing their doors, dufus. For some funny reason donations dried up after Nov 9, 2016 as if something drastic happened that day.
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...on-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

She is using all her old contacts to get milions of dollars for her new dumb ass resistance....

Hillary Clinton officially launches 'resistance' outside group - CNNPolitics.com


The group, according to an aide, will be a 501(c)(4) with a connected PAC, meaning all money raised through the political nonprofit will not have to disclose donors. A Clinton aide said the group will "follow the guidelines," meaning they will not release their list of donors.

.