Raising A Society of Fascists

[NYcarbineer]

6. "The American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma issued a statement on March 10, after Boren expelled the two, that asserted “the best antidote to hateful speech is the exercise of peaceful speech.” That was thin gruel. Why didn’t the ACLU immediately challenge Boren after he expelled students for exercising their First Amendment rights?

Because he is allowed to, since they broke the pledge they singed.

No he isn't.

Eugene Volokh ... American law professor, the Gary T. Schwartz Professor of Law at the UCLA School of Law. addressed this issue...
....he agreed with what you posted: they would win a law suit.

Then your implication that the action was totalitarian, tyrannical, or anything of the sort is refuted by none other than you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry but liberals are not fascist.

History News Network The Scholarly Flaws of Liberal Fascism

How are they different?

Books like Jonah Goldberg’s "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left" provide skewed interpretations of liberalism and fascism, associating two otherwise incompatible approaches to government as though they were one and the same. Websites like politicalcompass.org, which separates economics from social ideology, attempts to make these labels clearer, but the ever changing nature of politics prevents the definitions of these terms from being permanently set in stone. Despite the difficulties and double talk of politics and political labeling, the memories and records of wartime fascist policies will continue to be a reminder to Americans that fascism is a form of government that seeks to control the masses, while liberal democracy offers individuality and freedom from government control, as well as the right of the people to participate in the political process.

Difference Between Fascism Liberal Democracy The Classroom Synonym

But you didn't read it...and have no knowledge of the depth of its documentation.

You must be a Liberal, huh?

The word 'fascist' seems to be a little tight around your collar.....

 

[NYcarbineer]

"Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

See what I mean about 'Raising A Society of Fascists'?

Expel them for offensive speech rather than debate, and berate 'em???
Fascism.




3. "In recent years, student activists have used “hostile environment” claims to try to muzzle those whose unwelcome viewpoints might “trigger” feelings that make students feel less safe.
(For example, a UC Santa Barbara professor told police that antiabortion activists “triggered” a negative reaction in her that caused her to commit battery against a teenage abortion opponent..)."



4. Let there be a thorough investigation. If it finds the frat house discriminated against African Americans, throw the book at it. In this case, however, Boren shuttered SAE and expelled Parker Rice, 19, and Levi Pettit, 20, without so much as a hearing. First the punishment, then the trial.



5. It is not as if the two young men won’t pay. Pettit’s parents were so appalled they released a statement that said, “He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting.” After the video went viral, it would be hard to look African American students in the eye. “You have no right to be free from the social consequences” of racist speech, ...."
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate




Here's the choice:
Either honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, or honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascism.

The boys from Oklahoma have the right of appeal at the University level, and the right to petition state and federal government.

Is that how fascism functions? Is that how a totalitarian regime functions?

Sure, if the judicial system is in the fascist's pocket.

Case in point: The bogus 'living Constituion,' a position that Justice Brennan consistently defended.

So now the Constitution's provision of a judiciary is fascist? The vote of the American People who elect the representatives who choose our judges (or in some cases judges being directly elected) are all functions of fascism?

What sort of governmental system would you propose to replace ours?

 

[PoliticalChic]

God would only be totalitarian if you had no choice.

The 1st Amendment is there precisely TO protect offensive speech as polite speech needs no protection.

So everyone goes to Heaven, regardless of their behavior on earth? Are you sure about that?

As a liar you must feel the need to state, imply,suggest other than what others have written.

So that's why you are known a NYLiar.

No, I asked it as a straightforward, simple question.

Feel free to answer it.

No, liar, you implied that that was his position.
As you do often, you simply made it up.

Isn't that the case?

 

[bripat9643]

"Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

See what I mean about 'Raising A Society of Fascists'?

Expel them for offensive speech rather than debate, and berate 'em???
Fascism.




3. "In recent years, student activists have used “hostile environment” claims to try to muzzle those whose unwelcome viewpoints might “trigger” feelings that make students feel less safe.
(For example, a UC Santa Barbara professor told police that antiabortion activists “triggered” a negative reaction in her that caused her to commit battery against a teenage abortion opponent..)."



4. Let there be a thorough investigation. If it finds the frat house discriminated against African Americans, throw the book at it. In this case, however, Boren shuttered SAE and expelled Parker Rice, 19, and Levi Pettit, 20, without so much as a hearing. First the punishment, then the trial.



5. It is not as if the two young men won’t pay. Pettit’s parents were so appalled they released a statement that said, “He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting.” After the video went viral, it would be hard to look African American students in the eye. “You have no right to be free from the social consequences” of racist speech, ...."
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate




Here's the choice:
Either honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, or honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascism.

The boys from Oklahoma have the right of appeal at the University level, and the right to petition state and federal government.

Is that how fascism functions? Is that how a totalitarian regime functions?

Sure, if the judicial system is in the fascist's pocket.

Case in point: The bogus 'living Constituion,' a position that Justice Brennan consistently defended.

So now the Constitution's provision of a judiciary is fascist? The vote of the American People who elect the representatives who choose our judges (or in some cases judges being directly elected) are all functions of fascism?

What sort of governmental system would you propose to replace ours?

Fascism is an economic system. The details of the government that runs such a system aren't very relevant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. "The American Civil Liberties Union of Oklahoma issued a statement on March 10, after Boren expelled the two, that asserted “the best antidote to hateful speech is the exercise of peaceful speech.” That was thin gruel. Why didn’t the ACLU immediately challenge Boren after he expelled students for exercising their First Amendment rights?

Because he is allowed to, since they broke the pledge they singed.

No he isn't.

Eugene Volokh ... American law professor, the Gary T. Schwartz Professor of Law at the UCLA School of Law. addressed this issue...
....he agreed with what you posted: they would win a law suit.

Then your implication that the action was totalitarian, tyrannical, or anything of the sort is refuted by none other than you.

A lie?
How.....consistent for the NYLiar.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

See what I mean about 'Raising A Society of Fascists'?

Expel them for offensive speech rather than debate, and berate 'em???
Fascism.




3. "In recent years, student activists have used “hostile environment” claims to try to muzzle those whose unwelcome viewpoints might “trigger” feelings that make students feel less safe.
(For example, a UC Santa Barbara professor told police that antiabortion activists “triggered” a negative reaction in her that caused her to commit battery against a teenage abortion opponent..)."



4. Let there be a thorough investigation. If it finds the frat house discriminated against African Americans, throw the book at it. In this case, however, Boren shuttered SAE and expelled Parker Rice, 19, and Levi Pettit, 20, without so much as a hearing. First the punishment, then the trial.



5. It is not as if the two young men won’t pay. Pettit’s parents were so appalled they released a statement that said, “He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting.” After the video went viral, it would be hard to look African American students in the eye. “You have no right to be free from the social consequences” of racist speech, ...."
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate




Here's the choice:
Either honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, or honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascism.

The boys from Oklahoma have the right of appeal at the University level, and the right to petition state and federal government.

Is that how fascism functions? Is that how a totalitarian regime functions?

Sure, if the judicial system is in the fascist's pocket.

Case in point: The bogus 'living Constituion,' a position that Justice Brennan consistently defended.

So now the Constitution's provision of a judiciary is fascist? The vote of the American People who elect the representatives who choose our judges (or in some cases judges being directly elected) are all functions of fascism?

What sort of governmental system would you propose to replace ours?

One faithful to the Constitution.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Should Liberalsism/Progressivism continue in the ascendancy, American will be fascist, as it was when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was President.


Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated [in America] by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

[The loss of liberty....as in free speech.]

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
"Liberal Fascism," Goldberg




Say anything out of sync with the milieu and the fascists of today call it 'fascistic' and claim the right to silence it.


For a limited, but salient, definition of 'fascist,' let's focus on the shutting down and punishing those who say things one doesn't agree with. In America today, fascism is known as 'political correctness',,,,and it is not merely a suggestion.
So saith the Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.





Seems the recent Oklahoma State kerfuffle had drawn a clear line between those who honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, and those who honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascists.



1. "....University of Oklahoma President David Boren chose to expel two students for singing a vile, racist ditty at a fraternity event. There is nothing funny about lyrics that make light of lynching and chant a racial slur.


2. .... Boren was wrong to act as he did. As UCLA law Professor Eugene Volokh wrote, “racist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech.” Courts have consistently ruled to that effect.
A free country doesn’t want the government to educate only people with approved viewpoints..... Boren’s move appears to be wildly popular in academia.'"


a. "Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate



So the latest amendment to the 'living Constitution' of the LIberals is 'never offend.'

Is this actual fascism you're talking about? Or the imaginary right wing echo chamber version which amounts to little more than a general catch-all pejorative?

Exactly! Pejoratives are her game. Every leftist is a fascist and a communist, notwithstanding the historical evidence and political science lexicon. It's the current right wing echo chamber meme.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Should Liberalsism/Progressivism continue in the ascendancy, American will be fascist, as it was when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was President.


Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated [in America] by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

[The loss of liberty....as in free speech.]

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
"Liberal Fascism," Goldberg




Say anything out of sync with the milieu and the fascists of today call it 'fascistic' and claim the right to silence it.


For a limited, but salient, definition of 'fascist,' let's focus on the shutting down and punishing those who say things one doesn't agree with. In America today, fascism is known as 'political correctness',,,,and it is not merely a suggestion.
So saith the Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.





Seems the recent Oklahoma State kerfuffle had drawn a clear line between those who honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, and those who honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascists.



1. "....University of Oklahoma President David Boren chose to expel two students for singing a vile, racist ditty at a fraternity event. There is nothing funny about lyrics that make light of lynching and chant a racial slur.


2. .... Boren was wrong to act as he did. As UCLA law Professor Eugene Volokh wrote, “racist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech.” Courts have consistently ruled to that effect.
A free country doesn’t want the government to educate only people with approved viewpoints..... Boren’s move appears to be wildly popular in academia.'"


a. "Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate



So the latest amendment to the 'living Constitution' of the LIberals is 'never offend.'

Is this actual fascism you're talking about? Or the imaginary right wing echo chamber version which amounts to little more than a general catch-all pejorative?

Exactly! Pejoratives are her game. Every leftist is a fascist and a communist, notwithstanding the historical evidence and political science lexicon. It's the current right wing echo chamber meme.

1. Totalitarians of every variety hate checks and balances, and separation of powers,in fact, they hate any restriction on their absolute power.


a. Definition of TOTALITARIANISM.

1 :centralized controlby an autocratic authority.

de jure and/or de facto

2 : the political concept that thecitizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority.Totalitarianism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam ...www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/totalitarianism


To one degee or another, every one of these philosophies fits that definition: communist, socialist, Nazi, Progressive, Modern Liberal, Democrat

If the shoe fits......

I have no doubt that every communist, socialist, Nazi, Progressive, Modern Liberal, Democrat considers the above as pejorative.

Good.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Sorry but liberals are not fascist.

History News Network The Scholarly Flaws of Liberal Fascism

How are they different?

No, you explain how they are the same. No one wants to play stupid semantic games with morons like you, simply because if a anvil dropped on your head you would deny it, and claim it to be a helium balloon dropped by a liberal/progressive.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sorry but liberals are not fascist.

History News Network The Scholarly Flaws of Liberal Fascism

How are they different?

No, you explain how they are the same. No one wants to play stupid semantic games with morons like you, simply because if a anvil dropped on your head you would deny it, and claim it to be a helium balloon dropped by a liberal/progressive.

Post #89 did just that.

 

[Skylar]

"Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

See what I mean about 'Raising A Society of Fascists'?

Expel them for offensive speech rather than debate, and berate 'em???
Fascism.




3. "In recent years, student activists have used “hostile environment” claims to try to muzzle those whose unwelcome viewpoints might “trigger” feelings that make students feel less safe.
(For example, a UC Santa Barbara professor told police that antiabortion activists “triggered” a negative reaction in her that caused her to commit battery against a teenage abortion opponent..)."



4. Let there be a thorough investigation. If it finds the frat house discriminated against African Americans, throw the book at it. In this case, however, Boren shuttered SAE and expelled Parker Rice, 19, and Levi Pettit, 20, without so much as a hearing. First the punishment, then the trial.



5. It is not as if the two young men won’t pay. Pettit’s parents were so appalled they released a statement that said, “He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting.” After the video went viral, it would be hard to look African American students in the eye. “You have no right to be free from the social consequences” of racist speech, ...."
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate




Here's the choice:
Either honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, or honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascism.

The boys from Oklahoma have the right of appeal at the University level, and the right to petition state and federal government.

Is that how fascism functions? Is that how a totalitarian regime functions?

Sure, if the judicial system is in the fascist's pocket.

Case in point: The bogus 'living Constituion,' a position that Justice Brennan consistently defended.

So now the Constitution's provision of a judiciary is fascist? The vote of the American People who elect the representatives who choose our judges (or in some cases judges being directly elected) are all functions of fascism?

What sort of governmental system would you propose to replace ours?

Fascism is an economic system. The details of the government that runs such a system aren't very relevant.

fascism definitely includes the economy. But its far more than just the economy. It involves dictatorship, strict socio-economic controls, violent suppression of the press and political opposition, belligerent nationalism and state sanctioned racism.

And no, 'affirmative action' isn't what we're talking about. More 'Mein Kampf' and 'The Manifesto of the Racist Scientist'.

 

[bripat9643]

"Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

See what I mean about 'Raising A Society of Fascists'?

Expel them for offensive speech rather than debate, and berate 'em???
Fascism.




3. "In recent years, student activists have used “hostile environment” claims to try to muzzle those whose unwelcome viewpoints might “trigger” feelings that make students feel less safe.
(For example, a UC Santa Barbara professor told police that antiabortion activists “triggered” a negative reaction in her that caused her to commit battery against a teenage abortion opponent..)."



4. Let there be a thorough investigation. If it finds the frat house discriminated against African Americans, throw the book at it. In this case, however, Boren shuttered SAE and expelled Parker Rice, 19, and Levi Pettit, 20, without so much as a hearing. First the punishment, then the trial.



5. It is not as if the two young men won’t pay. Pettit’s parents were so appalled they released a statement that said, “He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting.” After the video went viral, it would be hard to look African American students in the eye. “You have no right to be free from the social consequences” of racist speech, ...."
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate




Here's the choice:
Either honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, or honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascism.

The boys from Oklahoma have the right of appeal at the University level, and the right to petition state and federal government.

Is that how fascism functions? Is that how a totalitarian regime functions?

Sure, if the judicial system is in the fascist's pocket.

Case in point: The bogus 'living Constituion,' a position that Justice Brennan consistently defended.

So now the Constitution's provision of a judiciary is fascist? The vote of the American People who elect the representatives who choose our judges (or in some cases judges being directly elected) are all functions of fascism?

What sort of governmental system would you propose to replace ours?

Fascism is an economic system. The details of the government that runs such a system aren't very relevant.

fascism definitely includes the economy. But its far more than just the economy. It involves dictatorship, strict socio-economic controls, violent suppression of the press and political opposition, belligerent nationalism and state sanctioned racism.

And no, 'affirmative action' isn't what we're talking about. More 'Mein Kampf' and 'The Manifesto of the Racist Scientist'.

Hmmm, wrong. If you strip the economic aspects, then you have something that can't be labeled as anything. Lot's of governments indulge in violent suppression of the political opposition, state sanctioned racism and belligerent nationalism. In fact, all those qualities are characteristic of almost every government on Earth at one point or another in their history. Is South Africa fascist now? I doubt any pinko professor would admit it, but it's guilty of all the sins you named.

And, yes, Affirmative action is state sanctioned racism. The fact that you don't want to consider facts that incriminate liberalism only shows what a giant hypocrite you are.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Sorry, but Boren was totally within school regulations and the law to expel those two idiot racist students. It is pathetic that anyone would sing such a song in 2015. I hope more of the students who were involved in that song get expelled.

If I were black and saw a video of a bunch of white students laughingly singing about lynching people of my race, I would not only be outraged, but in the back of my mind I would wonder just how safe I would be on that campus.

 

[Dot Com]

All of your posts are excellent examples of your agenda, yes?

Not one?

Couldn't come up with a single example of "....PC and Cruz are protected in their free speech in support of their anti-American agendas ...."




As I stated, you are a self-identified lying wretch.

Don't ever change.

PC always defaults to personal attacks. ALWAYS. Read everyone of her threads, they all follow the same script. She trolls, she attacks, she cuts and runs.

yep. Pretty sad

 

[bripat9643]

Sorry, but Boren was totally within school regulations and the law to expel those two idiot racist students. It is pathetic that anyone would sing such a song in 2015. I hope more of the students who were involved in that song get expelled..

He was not within the law. The First Amendment protects your right to be a racist. If there is one thing the First Amendment was intended to protect, it's unpopular speech.

If I were black and saw a video of a bunch of white students laughingly singing about lynching people of my race, I would not only be outraged, but in the back of my mind I would wonder just how safe I would be on that campus.

That may be the case, but that doesn't give the school the right to curtail any student's First Amendment rights. The fact that it makes you feel unconformable doesn't make what I said a crime.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Should Liberalsism/Progressivism continue in the ascendancy, American will be fascist, as it was when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was President.


Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


'

The Gestapo was only slightly worse than America is today.

Good one.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So it looks like the Socialists won in the historic struggle of semantics.

Not semantics, douchebag.

Hitler's National Socialists were brutal, racist, insular, conquering dirtbags.

Fascists weren't racists. Mussolini was an Empire-Builder but Italians forgot how to fight 1,500 years ago.

Franco was neither a racist nor an Empire Builder.

And you're just a moron

I'm sorry fuck wad, but I must disagree. Your alleged argument is entirely semantic. As if the word "socialist" had anything to do with Nazi philosophy. Feel free to elaborate about Hitler's writing's and speeches promoting communist ideals.

The Nazis despised liberals. Edgetho despises liberals.

 

[Dot Com]

So it looks like the Socialists won in the historic struggle of semantics.

Not semantics, douchebag.

Hitler's National Socialists were brutal, racist, insular, conquering dirtbags.

Fascists weren't racists. Mussolini was an Empire-Builder but Italians forgot how to fight 1,500 years ago.

Franco was neither a racist nor an Empire Builder.

And you're just a moron

I'm sorry fuck wad, but I must disagree. Your alleged argument is entirely semantic. As if the word "socialist" had anything to do with Nazi philosophy. Feel free to elaborate about Hitler's writing's and speeches promoting communist ideals.

The Nazis despised liberals. Edgetho despises liberals.

Ironic isn't it.

 

[bripat9643]

So it looks like the Socialists won in the historic struggle of semantics.

Not semantics, douchebag.

Hitler's National Socialists were brutal, racist, insular, conquering dirtbags.

Fascists weren't racists. Mussolini was an Empire-Builder but Italians forgot how to fight 1,500 years ago.

Franco was neither a racist nor an Empire Builder.

And you're just a moron

I'm sorry fuck wad, but I must disagree. Your alleged argument is entirely semantic. As if the word "socialist" had anything to do with Nazi philosophy. Feel free to elaborate about Hitler's writing's and speeches promoting communist ideals.

The Nazis despised liberals. Edgetho despises liberals.

In Europe liberals are people who believe in laissez faire capitalism, so that doesn't help your case. You also despise laissez faire capitalism.