Raising A Society of Fascists

[NYcarbineer]

Vestment

That's not true. The liberals of the early 20th century were represented by the likes of the Labour Party in the UK, which had split from the so-called classical liberals and had taken up the cause of advancing the welfare state.

Yes... precisely. Progressives... OKA: fascists.

Who are the same Brits the fired Churchill, the instant the US Beat the hell out of the Nazis... who were Fascists, OKA: progressives.

The only thing that the British progressives had against Hitler was Hitler's desire to take over their country... and of course the bombs he was dropping on their head. Same with the French Progressives... and the Polish Progressives. Naturally, the Polish Progressives had the additional bitch of the forced labor camps, the summary executions, gas chambers and such, but no more so than the German Progs of the same religious affiliation.

Churchill is considered one of the founders of the modern day British welfare state.

Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Should Liberalsism/Progressivism continue in the ascendancy, American will be fascist, as it was when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was President.


Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


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The Gestapo was only slightly worse than America is today.

Good one.

It doesn't say that, does it, you liar.

You are so full of it. You say that it is only slightly 'hyperbole' to say that American is fascist. It just 'looks' different than the Gestapo.

You're a liar.
That;s why you cut off the rest of it:

Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated [in America] by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

[The loss of liberty....as in free speech.]

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
"Liberal Fascism," Goldberg

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazis despised liberals. Edgetho despises liberals.

dear, the Nazis were liberals who just like out liberals believed in bigger and bigger govt and less and less capitalism.

Do you understand?.

Conservatives want bigger and bigger and bigger government in the form of the military. That doesn't sound liberal to me.

HEY! A Concession made of straw~ How CUTE!

Your straw concession is duly noted and summarily accepted... .

If you want to try to prove that the modern American Right wants less spending on the military, let's hear it.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So did Nazi Germany create more poor? As I recall, the Nazis put a lot of people to work building up their military...

Millions of 'em.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Should Liberalsism/Progressivism continue in the ascendancy, American will be fascist, as it was when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was President.


Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


'

The Gestapo was only slightly worse than America is today.

Good one.

"heterogeneity of the population"? You mean diversity? Multiculturalism? Support for minority rights?

When did the Right become champions of that set of beliefs?

lol



It doesn't say that, does it, you liar.

You are so full of it. You say that it is only slightly 'hyperbole' to say that American is fascist. It just 'looks' different than the Gestapo.

You're a liar.
That;s why you cut off the rest of it:

Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated [in America] by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

[The loss of liberty....as in free speech.]

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
"Liberal Fascism," Goldberg

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm sorry fuck wad, but I must disagree. Your alleged argument is entirely semantic. As if the word "socialist" had anything to do with Nazi philosophy. Feel free to elaborate about Hitler's writing's and speeches promoting communist ideals.

The Nazis despised liberals. Edgetho despises liberals.

In Europe liberals are people who believe in laissez faire capitalism, so that doesn't help your case. You also despise laissez faire capitalism.

Did the Nazis in Germany support more spending for the poor and less spending on defense? That's the sort of accusation you reserve for the left...

If you mean Liberal welfare policies, they aren't FOR the poor, they CREATE the poor by incentivizing behaviors that cause poverty.

You know that, don't you, NYLiar.

Answering only yes or no, did the Nazi's in Germany support more spending on the poor and less on the military?

Why is it that you post has nothing to do with the post of mine that you've linked it to....

OH....here's why:

And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display:

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

If you want to try to prove that the modern American Right wants less spending on the military, let's hear it.

So you need me to prove your straw argument?

ROFLMNAO!

There's pitiful and there's pitiful... but THAT is a brand new level of the Pitiful Basement.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So did Nazi Germany create more poor? As I recall, the Nazis put a lot of people to work building up their military...

Millions of 'em.

With social spending, dumbass. Learn to read before you post.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Nazis despised liberals. Edgetho despises liberals.

In Europe liberals are people who believe in laissez faire capitalism, so that doesn't help your case. You also despise laissez faire capitalism.

Did the Nazis in Germany support more spending for the poor and less spending on defense? That's the sort of accusation you reserve for the left...

If you mean Liberal welfare policies, they aren't FOR the poor, they CREATE the poor by incentivizing behaviors that cause poverty.

You know that, don't you, NYLiar.

Answering only yes or no, did the Nazi's in Germany support more spending on the poor and less on the military?

Why is it that you post has nothing to do with the post of mine that you've linked it to....

OH....here's why:

And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display:

Um, actually I was responding to another poster. You chimed in. Go cry all over him if you think what was brought was off-topic.

 

[Clementine]

"Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”

See what I mean about 'Raising A Society of Fascists'?

Expel them for offensive speech rather than debate, and berate 'em???
Fascism.




3. "In recent years, student activists have used “hostile environment” claims to try to muzzle those whose unwelcome viewpoints might “trigger” feelings that make students feel less safe.
(For example, a UC Santa Barbara professor told police that antiabortion activists “triggered” a negative reaction in her that caused her to commit battery against a teenage abortion opponent..)."



4. Let there be a thorough investigation. If it finds the frat house discriminated against African Americans, throw the book at it. In this case, however, Boren shuttered SAE and expelled Parker Rice, 19, and Levi Pettit, 20, without so much as a hearing. First the punishment, then the trial.



5. It is not as if the two young men won’t pay. Pettit’s parents were so appalled they released a statement that said, “He is a good boy, but what we saw in those videos is disgusting.” After the video went viral, it would be hard to look African American students in the eye. “You have no right to be free from the social consequences” of racist speech, ...."
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate




Here's the choice:
Either honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, or honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascism.

You've got it right. Political correctness and freedom of speech cannot co-exist.

The left says they support freedom of speech, BUT only if they deem it appropriate. Well, more specifically, their actions say that. Few would admit that they would burn the constitution right now because it inhibits the liberal agenda.

Freedom of speech means people can say what they want as long as it's not intended to incite violence. It's not okay to slander people with lies. And it's especially not okay to tell bold lies in order to incite riots. Al Sharpton is guilty of that on a daily basis.

Sometimes, people will say cruel and stupid things. That is when you exercise your freedom of speech to debate and maybe even enlighten them. But you don't punish them merely for saying something you don't like.

The left wants to label everything as hate speech and outlaw it. After they had success taking that route, they then began to add more and more things to the list of what is considered hate speech. That way, they can go after people who disagree with their policies and accuse them of a crime. People against Obamacare were called racist. People supporting border control were called racists. People disagreeing with leftwing policies are called racists. Once labeled a racist, virtually anything you say can and will be used against you. It's not really hate speech, but being against leftwing policies that they deem a serious crime.

Since the left is not good at debating their views, they seek to simply shut down opposing views and are twisting our laws and constitution to that end.

 

[PoliticalChic]

In Europe liberals are people who believe in laissez faire capitalism, so that doesn't help your case. You also despise laissez faire capitalism.

Did the Nazis in Germany support more spending for the poor and less spending on defense? That's the sort of accusation you reserve for the left...

If you mean Liberal welfare policies, they aren't FOR the poor, they CREATE the poor by incentivizing behaviors that cause poverty.

You know that, don't you, NYLiar.

Answering only yes or no, did the Nazi's in Germany support more spending on the poor and less on the military?

Why is it that you post has nothing to do with the post of mine that you've linked it to....

OH....here's why:

And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display:

Um, actually I was responding to another poster. You chimed in. Go cry all over him if you think what was brought was off-topic.

I mean what I say: I said nothing about 'off topic.'
I said you're a liar.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Hitler banned unions.

Now let's see, who are the most anti-union in America today?

Gee, the almost front runner in the GOP presidential race, today? Scott Walker? What's his most well known claim to fame to date?????

 

[NYcarbineer]

Did the Nazis in Germany support more spending for the poor and less spending on defense? That's the sort of accusation you reserve for the left...

If you mean Liberal welfare policies, they aren't FOR the poor, they CREATE the poor by incentivizing behaviors that cause poverty.

You know that, don't you, NYLiar.

Answering only yes or no, did the Nazi's in Germany support more spending on the poor and less on the military?

Why is it that you post has nothing to do with the post of mine that you've linked it to....

OH....here's why:

And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display:

Um, actually I was responding to another poster. You chimed in. Go cry all over him if you think what was brought was off-topic.

I mean what I say: I said nothing about 'off topic.'
I said you're a liar.

Then you can explain to us the material difference between the phrases 'off topic' and 'changing the subject', because, as perhaps you've already forgotten,

You SAID 'changing the subject'.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Answering only yes or no, did the Nazi's in Germany support more spending on the poor and less on the military?

ROFLMNAO!

My goodness... you are quite the little digger today, aren't ya scamp?

LOL! Dance Digger... DANCE!​

​

 

[Clementine]

Hitler banned unions.

Now let's see, who are the most anti-union in America today?

Gee, the almost front runner in the GOP presidential race, today? Scott Walker? What's his most well known claim to fame to date?????

Idiot. Hitler had other reasons because he saw people as his personal slaves.

Unions here had a purpose and they have outlived their usefulness. We have laws that protect workers. Unions now exist more for their own benefit than those of the workers. If they cared simply about fairness, there would be NO NEED for union dues. It would all be voluntary. Those dues go to fund campaigns of leftwing politicians. The left supports forced contributions by workers. No one should have to give up a penny to support something or someone they are against.

Instead of changing their ways, unions just cry to the liberal politicians to force people to join them. People probably would support them if they existed for the right reasons. We all know better.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Hitler banned unions.

Now let's see, who are the most anti-union in America today?

Gee, the almost front runner in the GOP presidential race, today? Scott Walker? What's his most well known claim to fame to date?????

Hitler didn't ban Unions, he folded all unions into one union... The Nazi Union. The best pay went to the Nazis.

It drove membership WAY UP!

But no one really knows why he did it... I guess it'll be a mystery forever.

 

[ScienceRocks]

When you can't speak your mind anymore or have a choice = fascism. Liberals are a bunch of fascist!

 

[PoliticalChic]

If you mean Liberal welfare policies, they aren't FOR the poor, they CREATE the poor by incentivizing behaviors that cause poverty.

You know that, don't you, NYLiar.

Answering only yes or no, did the Nazi's in Germany support more spending on the poor and less on the military?

Why is it that you post has nothing to do with the post of mine that you've linked it to....

OH....here's why:

And here, a return performance at open mic night....the NYLiar!

His act includes only two tricks:

Trick #1....lies

Trick #2....obfuscation and changing the subject.


Today it's Trick #2 on display:

Um, actually I was responding to another poster. You chimed in. Go cry all over him if you think what was brought was off-topic.

I mean what I say: I said nothing about 'off topic.'
I said you're a liar.

Then you can explain to us the material difference between the phrases 'off topic' and 'changing the subject', because, as perhaps you've already forgotten,

You SAID 'changing the subject'.

Who's "us"?
You have a rabbit in your hat?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Should Liberalsism/Progressivism continue in the ascendancy, American will be fascist, as it was when Progressive Woodrow Wilson was President.


Hyperbole?

Only to a slight degree....'fascism' in America looks different than the long black coated Gestapo of Nazi Germany because it has been altered by the history of America.


" The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated [in America] by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

[The loss of liberty....as in free speech.]

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
"Liberal Fascism," Goldberg




Say anything out of sync with the milieu and the fascists of today call it 'fascistic' and claim the right to silence it.


For a limited, but salient, definition of 'fascist,' let's focus on the shutting down and punishing those who say things one doesn't agree with. In America today, fascism is known as 'political correctness',,,,and it is not merely a suggestion.
So saith the Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.





Seems the recent Oklahoma State kerfuffle had drawn a clear line between those who honor the Constitution, specifically the first amendment, and those who honor 'political correctness,' the contemporary fascists.



1. "....University of Oklahoma President David Boren chose to expel two students for singing a vile, racist ditty at a fraternity event. There is nothing funny about lyrics that make light of lynching and chant a racial slur.


2. .... Boren was wrong to act as he did. As UCLA law Professor Eugene Volokh wrote, “racist speech is constitutionally protected, just as is expression of other contemptible ideas; and universities may not discipline students based on their speech.” Courts have consistently ruled to that effect.
A free country doesn’t want the government to educate only people with approved viewpoints..... Boren’s move appears to be wildly popular in academia.'"


a. "Boren wrote to the two frat boys that he was expelling them because of their “leadership role in leading a racist and exclusionary chant which has created a hostile educational environment for others.”
I pledge allegiance to the First Amendment - SFGate



So the latest amendment to the 'living Constitution' of the LIberals is 'never offend.'

Is this actual fascism you're talking about? Or the imaginary right wing echo chamber version which amounts to little more than a general catch-all pejorative?

Exactly! Pejoratives are her game. Every leftist is a fascist and a communist, notwithstanding the historical evidence and political science lexicon. It's the current right wing echo chamber meme.

1. Totalitarians of every variety hate checks and balances, and separation of powers,in fact, they hate any restriction on their absolute power.


a. Definition of TOTALITARIANISM.

1 :centralized controlby an autocratic authority.

de jure and/or de facto

2 : the political concept that thecitizen should be totally subject to an absolute state authority.Totalitarianism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam ...www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/totalitarianism


To one degee or another, every one of these philosophies fits that definition: communist, socialist, Nazi, Progressive, Modern Liberal, Democrat

If the shoe fits......

I have no doubt that every communist, socialist, Nazi, Progressive, Modern Liberal, Democrat considers the above as pejorative.

Good.

To one degree or another? How do you feel about abortion, suppression of voting rights, conscription, income tax, zoning laws, speed limits, the number / percentage of inmates in our prison/jail system? By your reasoning(?) our government and every government is to one degree or another totalitarian, and its citizens "subject to an absolute state authority".

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hitler banned unions.

Now let's see, who are the most anti-union in America today?

Gee, the almost front runner in the GOP presidential race, today? Scott Walker? What's his most well known claim to fame to date?????

Hitler's now your new BFF???

Funny....he was Franklin Roosevelt's, too.

1. The National Socialists hailed these ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:
   1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”
2. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…” cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.