Rand Paul says vaccines can lead to "mental disorders."

[JakeStarkey]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

 

[Redfish]

you said "I disagree with his notion that parents own their children - like chattel." If the parents don't own them and the govt can dictate what parents must do, then the govt must own them. Its a logical thought process.

I am glad that you disagree, but my conclusion was logical based on what you said.

Nope, you made a big jump - that either the government or the parents own the children. You assumed it HAS to be one or the other. IMHO: It doesn't. IMHO no one OWNS a child.

so kids should make their own decisions on vaccinations? Who should decide? thats the question

Yes, that IS the question.
IF you believe a child has rights beyond the parents, then who is going to defend those rights?

we are talking about 7 and 8 year old kids. Do you let parents or the state make decisions for them?

we have plenty of laws to protect kids from neglectful or abusive parents. who protects them from govt abuse and indoctrination?

Their parents?

yes.

 

[Redfish]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

 

[nodoginnafight]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

That's how I feel about it.

I made sure my son was always up to date

 

[buckeye]

Further confirmation that Paul is an idiot.

Compare what Paul said to this liberal.

Robert Kennedy s Dangerous Anti-Vaccine Activism - Forbes

"Robert Kennedy is obsessed with the notion that vaccines cause autism. He’s particularly obsessed with the discredited idea that thimerosal, a preservative used in some vaccines, causes autism. Now Kennedy is about to publish a new book on this topic, and he’s promoting it both in the press and, as described in today’s Washington Post, in the halls of Congress. He’s recently had personal meetings with U.S. Senators Barbara Mikulski and Bernie Sanders to try to convince them to take action based on his claims. Why is it that a scientifically unqualified anti-vaccine advocate can get a private audience with a U.S. Senator? Because he’s famous, that’s why."

You are reaching aren't you. Kennedy is neither an elected official nor is he a Doctor. Rand Paul is both. His words were irresponsible and dangerous. And he wants to be President?

They were not.

Mild Problems (Common)

• Fever (up to about 1 child in 4)
• Redness or swelling where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)
• Soreness or tenderness where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)

These problems occur more often after the 4th and 5th doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses.

Sometimes the 4th or 5th dose of DTaP vaccine is followed by swelling of the entire arm or leg in which the shot was given, for 1 to 7 days (up to about 1 child in 30).

Other mild problems include:

• Fussiness (up to about 1 child in 3)
• Tiredness or poor appetite (up to about 1 child in 10)
• Vomiting (up to about 1 child in 50)

These problems generally occur 1 to 3 days after the shot.

Moderate Problems (Uncommon)

• Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)
• Non-stop crying, for 3 hours or more (up to about 1 child out of 1,000)
• High fever, 105 degrees Fahrenheit or higher (about 1 child out of 16,000)

Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses) Several other severe problems have been reported after DTaP vaccine. These include:

• Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
• Permanent brain damage.

Vaccines Vac-Gen Side Effects

My own kid had a seizure after the DPT given to her at 18 months.

The ignorance fueled by politics around here is pretty amazing.

Sorry to hear that. I hope she recovered fully. Sadly, some people are going to have a bad reaction, but it is quite rare. Most of us have vaccinations with little or no issues. The most common reaction is a slight fever and rash, which is usually treated with just Tylenol and fluids.

She did, thanks.

It is a fact that vaccinations can be dangerous to some people though. There is nothing wrong with what Rand Paul said. Parents should very carefully consider vaccinations and the schedule they are administered.

 

[Redfish]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

That's how I feel about it.

do our laws support that feeeeeeeeeeeeeling?

I am not saying I disagree with you, but we are a nation of laws, not feeeeeeeeeeeelings

 

[nodoginnafight]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

That's how I feel about it.

do our laws support that feeeeeeeeeeeeeling?

I am not saying I disagree with you, but we are a nation of laws, not feeeeeeeeeeeelings

I don't know.

 

[Redfish]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

That's how I feel about it.

do our laws support that feeeeeeeeeeeeeling?

I am not saying I disagree with you, but we are a nation of laws, not feeeeeeeeeeeelings

I don't know.

nor do I, thats the point.

 

[ChrisL]

Further confirmation that Paul is an idiot.

Compare what Paul said to this liberal.

Robert Kennedy s Dangerous Anti-Vaccine Activism - Forbes

"Robert Kennedy is obsessed with the notion that vaccines cause autism. He’s particularly obsessed with the discredited idea that thimerosal, a preservative used in some vaccines, causes autism. Now Kennedy is about to publish a new book on this topic, and he’s promoting it both in the press and, as described in today’s Washington Post, in the halls of Congress. He’s recently had personal meetings with U.S. Senators Barbara Mikulski and Bernie Sanders to try to convince them to take action based on his claims. Why is it that a scientifically unqualified anti-vaccine advocate can get a private audience with a U.S. Senator? Because he’s famous, that’s why."

You are reaching aren't you. Kennedy is neither an elected official nor is he a Doctor. Rand Paul is both. His words were irresponsible and dangerous. And he wants to be President?

They were not.

Mild Problems (Common)

• Fever (up to about 1 child in 4)
• Redness or swelling where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)
• Soreness or tenderness where the shot was given (up to about 1 child in 4)

These problems occur more often after the 4th and 5th doses of the DTaP series than after earlier doses.

Sometimes the 4th or 5th dose of DTaP vaccine is followed by swelling of the entire arm or leg in which the shot was given, for 1 to 7 days (up to about 1 child in 30).

Other mild problems include:

• Fussiness (up to about 1 child in 3)
• Tiredness or poor appetite (up to about 1 child in 10)
• Vomiting (up to about 1 child in 50)

These problems generally occur 1 to 3 days after the shot.

Moderate Problems (Uncommon)

• Seizure (jerking or staring) (about 1 child out of 14,000)
• Non-stop crying, for 3 hours or more (up to about 1 child out of 1,000)
• High fever, 105 degrees Fahrenheit or higher (about 1 child out of 16,000)

Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses) Several other severe problems have been reported after DTaP vaccine. These include:

• Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
• Permanent brain damage.

Vaccines Vac-Gen Side Effects

My own kid had a seizure after the DPT given to her at 18 months.

The ignorance fueled by politics around here is pretty amazing.

Sorry to hear that. I hope she recovered fully. Sadly, some people are going to have a bad reaction, but it is quite rare. Most of us have vaccinations with little or no issues. The most common reaction is a slight fever and rash, which is usually treated with just Tylenol and fluids.

She did, thanks.

It is a fact that vaccinations can be dangerous to some people though. There is nothing wrong with what Rand Paul said. Parents should very carefully consider vaccinations and the schedule they are administered.

Thing is, if parents decide to not vaccinate their child, that can lead to an outbreak of disease where many MORE people will die. In other words, the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. That is the reason they are still pushed and why people get them. Nothing is risk free. Nothing.

 

[Ravi]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

Q: Do these children pose a health risk?

A: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) believes that the children arriving at U.S. borders pose little risk of spreading infectious diseases to the general public.

Countries in Central America, where most of the unaccompanied children are from (Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras), have childhood vaccination programs, and most children have received some or all of their recommended childhood vaccines. However, they may not have received a few vaccines, such as chickenpox, influenza, and pneumococcal vaccines. As a precaution, ORR is providing vaccinations to all children who do not have documentation of previous valid doses of vaccine.

Unaccompanied Children Frequently Asked Questions Administration for Children and Families

 

[JakeStarkey]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

You have no idea if illegals are vaccinated or not.

Yes, all children should be vaccinated if they are healthy enough for it.

 

[Redfish]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

You have no idea if illegals are vaccinated or not.

Yes, all children should be vaccinated if they are healthy enough for it.

right, we have no idea, thats the point, asshole. But we let them in, put them in our schools, let them play with our kids-------------and we have no idea what diseases they may be carrying.

Again, so you favor mandatory vaccinations with no parental consent? Do you know that due to libtards like you that a school nurse cannot give a kid an aspirin without parental consent?

you libs are nothing but walking contradictions.

 

[bendog]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

You have no idea if illegals are vaccinated or not.

Yes, all children should be vaccinated if they are healthy enough for it.

right, we have no idea, thats the point, asshole. But we let them in, put them in our schools, let them play with our kids-------------and we have no idea what diseases they may be carrying.

Again, so you favor mandatory vaccinations with no parental consent? Do you know that due to libtards like you that a school nurse cannot give a kid an aspirin without parental consent?

you libs are nothing but walking contradictions.

Randian Paul is now a liberal! Mon Dieu!

 

[ogibillm]

Apparently you people also suck at math, your question is well stupid. Again this other clown foamed at the mouth that an un-vaccinated kid posed a risk to his vaccinated kid. That would only be true if the vaccine was not effective in his kid, in which case his kid poses the same risk to others as the un-vaccinated kid...right...libs its not rocket science.

true. a kid who has been vaccinated but does not develop the antibodies is as much at risk as someone that has not been vaccinated.

of course, an unvaccinated child has a 100% chance of not having an immunity, whereas the vaccinated child's risk is much, much smaller.

so who is knowlingly putting others at risk, the kid who didn't develop an immunity from vaccination, or the kid who wasn't vaccinated?

and the math in my question was clear and easy - in the first scenario 90% of the people would have immunity to a disease. in the second, only 81%. Which community would you rather live in?

Don't help him out. There are three questions he obviously hasn't even considered questioning, let alone answering. Why is a vaccination generally not given in the first year of life (in the US)? Why are two vaccinations generally required in the US, and does merely one vaccination convey an immunity?

the medical details are not the issue. The issue is why are we having outbreaks of diseases that we had declared eradicated in this country years ago? any idea why that is, libs?

Stop the deflection, Fuckwit. The issue is you put your children and others at risk with your stupid philosophy.

my kids were vaccinated. I support vaccinations. If some parents want to put their kids at risk, should the state override them? thats the question here, where do our freedoms begin and end and where do we become slaves to the state.

The question here is much bigger than vaccinations, its a question of freedom and state control of our lives. I do not want to live under a dictatorial govt, do you?

unvaccinated people put others at risk, not just themselves. thus, it's a public health issue, and vaccines should be required of all people, regardless of the baseless fears of the parents.

Further confirmation that Paul is an idiot.

Compare what Paul said to this liberal.

Robert Kennedy s Dangerous Anti-Vaccine Activism - Forbes

"Robert Kennedy is obsessed with the notion that vaccines cause autism. He’s particularly obsessed with the discredited idea that thimerosal, a preservative used in some vaccines, causes autism. Now Kennedy is about to publish a new book on this topic, and he’s promoting it both in the press and, as described in today’s Washington Post, in the halls of Congress. He’s recently had personal meetings with U.S. Senators Barbara Mikulski and Bernie Sanders to try to convince them to take action based on his claims. Why is it that a scientifically unqualified anti-vaccine advocate can get a private audience with a U.S. Senator? Because he’s famous, that’s why."

You are reaching aren't you. Kennedy is neither an elected official nor is he a Doctor. Rand Paul is both. His words were irresponsible and dangerous. And he wants to be President?

he said that vaccines have caused some negative affects on kids---------that is true.

I know that you hate and fear Rand Paul, but try telling the truth just once in a while.

Paul said that they can cause serious mental disorders. That is false.

 

[Ravi]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

You have no idea if illegals are vaccinated or not.

Yes, all children should be vaccinated if they are healthy enough for it.

right, we have no idea, thats the point, asshole. But we let them in, put them in our schools, let them play with our kids-------------and we have no idea what diseases they may be carrying.

Again, so you favor mandatory vaccinations with no parental consent? Do you know that due to libtards like you that a school nurse cannot give a kid an aspirin without parental consent?

you libs are nothing but walking contradictions.

Schools require vaccination records before admitting children.

And again:

Q: Do these children pose a health risk?

A: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) believes that the children arriving at U.S. borders pose little risk of spreading infectious diseases to the general public.

Countries in Central America, where most of the unaccompanied children are from (Guatemala, El Salvador, and Honduras), have childhood vaccination programs, and most children have received some or all of their recommended childhood vaccines. However, they may not have received a few vaccines, such as chickenpox, influenza, and pneumococcal vaccines. As a precaution, ORR is providing vaccinations to all children who do not have documentation of previous valid doses of vaccine.

Unaccompanied Children Frequently Asked Questions Administration for Children and Families

 

[Ravi]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

maybe, thats what this discussion is about. So you support mandatory vaccinations for all kids. Should that apply at the border to all illegals entering the country, or should we just stop them and send them home?

You have no idea if illegals are vaccinated or not.

Yes, all children should be vaccinated if they are healthy enough for it.

right, we have no idea, thats the point, asshole. But we let them in, put them in our schools, let them play with our kids-------------and we have no idea what diseases they may be carrying.

Again, so you favor mandatory vaccinations with no parental consent? Do you know that due to libtards like you that a school nurse cannot give a kid an aspirin without parental consent?

you libs are nothing but walking contradictions.

Randian Paul is now a liberal! Mon Dieu!

Not to mention that it is against medical advice to give children under 18 asprin, period.

I wonder if he's against handing out birth control?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Redfish, you are being a far right reactionary FuckWit, nothing more, and have nothing useful to say in t his matter..

Vaccinate all children who are healthy enough for it, including illegals.

Secondly, libertarian philosophy is inadequate to deal with this situation.

 

[bendog]

Schools can't turn away kids whose parents obtained exemptions. That's the rub.

States With Religious and Philosophical Exemptions From School Immunization Requirements

 

[nodoginnafight]

Failure to vaccinate defines neglectful and abusive parents.

That's how I feel about it.

do our laws support that feeeeeeeeeeeeeling?

I am not saying I disagree with you, but we are a nation of laws, not feeeeeeeeeeeelings

I don't know.

nor do I, thats the point.

OK, so why were you responding to my posts with personal insults and such vitriol?
Were you just trying to pick a fight?