Rational Americans vs Democrats (Tax Cut Edition)

[Harpy Eagle]

I am for getting rid of the Dept of Ed totally. I am also for cutting spending on every single part of the government to include the military...are you?

Ten percent across the board. How about it?

However, it won't be enough, hardly even a good start.

Let's also throw in baseline budgeting. Axe it completely and make every department justify their budget each year.

a general 10% is ignorant

some can't absorb that much and other could be cut by FAR more, many could be closed.

Hmm..

You have no understanding on the concept of an opening gambit?

A 10% cut across the board, regardless of personal feelings. Also, doing away with baseline budgeting forever.

Our military is at war.


You seriously going to make cuts to the military now?


ignorance is not bliss

LOL. Cutting taxes means less money for the military. Only the right wing never gets it.

Unfortunately cutting taxes does not mean less money for anything, it just means more of them money is borrowed. That is the problem.

 

[danielpalos]

Ten percent across the board. How about it?

However, it won't be enough, hardly even a good start.

Let's also throw in baseline budgeting. Axe it completely and make every department justify their budget each year.

a general 10% is ignorant

some can't absorb that much and other could be cut by FAR more, many could be closed.

Hmm..

You have no understanding on the concept of an opening gambit?

A 10% cut across the board, regardless of personal feelings. Also, doing away with baseline budgeting forever.

Our military is at war.


You seriously going to make cuts to the military now?


ignorance is not bliss

LOL. Cutting taxes means less money for the military. Only the right wing never gets it.

Unfortunately cutting taxes does not mean less money for anything, it just means more of them money is borrowed. That is the problem.

Yes, it does. More money borrowed costs more, so less money is available.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Ten percent across the board. How about it?

However, it won't be enough, hardly even a good start.

Let's also throw in baseline budgeting. Axe it completely and make every department justify their budget each year.

a general 10% is ignorant

some can't absorb that much and other could be cut by FAR more, many could be closed.

Hmm..

You have no understanding on the concept of an opening gambit?

A 10% cut across the board, regardless of personal feelings. Also, doing away with baseline budgeting forever.

Our military is at war.


You seriously going to make cuts to the military now?


ignorance is not bliss

LOL. Cutting taxes means less money for the military. Only the right wing never gets it.

Unfortunately cutting taxes does not mean less money for anything, it just means more of them money is borrowed. That is the problem.

we can't get taxed enough to pay for everything

the cost trickle down would force so many onto welfare...

 

[Papageorgio]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

 

[Papageorgio]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

What???? She had a kid & couldn't afford it??? Now gets a government handout???? OMG OMG OMG

I’m not seeing anything about a government handout. I know that is what you lefty’s knee jerk goes to because you can’t imagine not getting a government handout. Here is a hint most of us take responsibility for our actions and don’t need a government handout like you get.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Barry Obama and the Crookocrats ran the country without a budget for 4 years to hide their theft of $trillions$

 

[jknowgood]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

lol, why should I have to pay to raise your kids?

Okay, then you are for getting rid of welfare completely?

 

[danielpalos]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

The right wing only complain when the poor may benefit.

 

[danielpalos]

Barry Obama and the Crookocrats ran the country without a budget for 4 years to hide their theft of $trillions$

Link?

 

[mudwhistle]

Then there's Barry Obama.....who used his position as Commander In Chief to line his pockets with drug money.

The Iran Echo Chamber Smears Politico Magazine
Column: For exposing the administration's softball approach to Hezbollah


Barack Obama and Ben Rhodes / Official White House Photo by Pete Souza / Obama White House Flickr

BY: Matthew Continetti
December 22, 2017 5:00 am

Nothing has been more tedious over the last year than the constant reminders that good journalism is "now more important than ever." The implication, of course, is that solid, groundbreaking reporting was not as essential so long as a liberal Democrat was in power. I've long assumed that the factotums mouthing such clichés lack the self-awareness to understand the true import of their words. But maybe I've been wrong. Recent days brought evidence that, no, liberals really mean it: the only meaningful investigative work is that which reflects poorly on Republicans.

Earlier this week, for example, Politico Magazine published a story by Josh Meyer headlined "The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook." This epic and copiously sourced piece relates how, "in its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it [Hezbollah, not the Obama administration] was funneling cocaine into the United States."

The law enforcement program in question is called Project Cassandra, which for eight years "used wiretaps, undercover operations, and informants to map Hezbollah's illicit networks, with the help of 30 U.S. and foreign security agencies." However, as investigators came closer to unraveling the globe-spanning conspiracy, "The Justice Department declined requests by Project Cassandra and other authorities to file criminal charges against major players such as Hezbollah's high-profile envoy to Iran, a Lebanese bank that allegedly laundered billions in alleged drug profits, and a central player in a U.S.-based cell of the Iranian paramilitary Quds force." Linger over that last item for a second.

Meyer cites "dozens" of interviews and documents as evidence. He quotes a veteran U.S. intelligence operative—the sort of guy whose every utterance is anonymously paraded in the newspapers and magazines so long as it's anti-Trump—who says, "This was a policy decision, it was a systematic decision." And the reason for this systematic decision, presumably, was to make Hezbollah's Iranian backers more willing to deal with the Obama administration on nukes.

Meyer points to congressional testimony from former Treasury official Katherine Bauer, who said last February: "These investigations were tamped down for fear of rocking Iran and jeopardizing the nuclear deal." President Obama, in other words, slow-walked counter-narcotics efforts for the inane "greater good" of paying Iran billions to pretend to shut down its nuclear program for ten years. This is the very definition of "stupid stuff."

Meyer is not an ideologue, not a partisan, not a quack. He worked for the Los Angeles Times, for NBC News, and for the Medill National Security Journalism Initiative before joining Politico as a senior investigative reporter. His Twitter feed contains plenty of criticisms of President Trump and congressional Republicans. And his story is solid. He explores different angles and gives his subjects fair comment. He's produced a classic example of the good journalism that our betters tell us we need more than ever.

Except our betters don't like it, not one bit, because it reflects poorly on the most significant (yet dubious and controversial) achievement of Barack Obama's second term. In a tactic familiar to opponents of the Iran deal, the criticism is aimed not at the facts behind Meyer's article but at Meyer himself. "It's a shabby neocon hit piece," says Valerie Plame's bestie Joe Cirincione. "A disgusting hit job by both the cabal of people with this agenda and by the reporter who paid lip service to the criticisms of this group," says Brian O'Toole, a "non-resident senior fellow" at the Atlantic Council. Neocon … cabal … I wonder whom these guys are referring to? (Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.)

"Non-fact based anti-Iran Deal propaganda," sneers former deputy national security adviser and creative writing expert Ben Rhodes. "The story is so manufactured out of thin air that it's hard to push back except to say that it's a figment of the imagination of two very flawed sources," says Tommy Vietor, who has a podcast. Note that Vietor is obviously wrong: the piece has far more than "two very flawed sources." Note as well that neither Rhodes nor Vietor ever actually bother to challenge those sources or the facts provided to Politico.

Vietor went on to tell Meyer over Twitter that Meyer's "on the record sources have undisclosed anti-Iran deal bias." And Ned Price, who worked for Rhodes, called the Politico article an "anti-Iran deal screed" based on sources with "undisclosed anti-Iran deal bias." For shame! Before we go any further, let me disclose my anti-Iran deal bias right now.

A Twitter lefty named Adam Khan expanded on these McCarthy-like observations, warning that if journalists "go out of their way to hide experts' links to donors, agenda, that should be a big red flag." Writers should know better than to quote the cabal of neocon donors with agendas, is his point.

So weak was the response to Meyer's scoop that by the end of their Twitter exchange Vietor was wishing him happy holidays and saying it's "not personal just disagree on policy." Vietor missed the memo; we say Merry Christmas in Trump's America. Besides, Meyer wasn't writing about policy. He was relating information. What former Obama officials were reacting to wasn't some innovative argument against the Iran deal, but damning evidence of Obama's reckless disregard for national security in pursuit of a fantastic rapprochement with Iran. And their outrage reminds us is that what the left needs now more than ever isn't journalism. It's resistance to Trump.

The Iran Echo Chamber Smears Politico Magazine​

 

[mudwhistle]

Barry Obama and the Crookocrats ran the country without a budget for 4 years to hide their theft of $trillions$

Link?

I guess you never heard of a Continuing Resolution before.

Look it up.

 

[danielpalos]

We have a Commerce Clause not a Shire Reeve of the World clause.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ten percent across the board. How about it?

However, it won't be enough, hardly even a good start.

Let's also throw in baseline budgeting. Axe it completely and make every department justify their budget each year.

a general 10% is ignorant

some can't absorb that much and other could be cut by FAR more, many could be closed.

Hmm..

You have no understanding on the concept of an opening gambit?

A 10% cut across the board, regardless of personal feelings. Also, doing away with baseline budgeting forever.

Our military is at war.


You seriously going to make cuts to the military now?


ignorance is not bliss

LOL. Cutting taxes means less money for the military. Only the right wing never gets it.

Unfortunately cutting taxes does not mean less money for anything, it just means more of them money is borrowed. That is the problem.

You can't seem to grasp the fact that no matter how much revenue we give the feds....the debt still keeps growing.
If they stopped robbing us blind the debt would eventually go away.
Most of the debt the last 9 years is Congress and Obama stealing from Social Security and Medicare.
We took in record revenue the last 3 years yet the debt somehow grew 4 trillion dollars during that time.

 

[Papageorgio]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

The right wing only complain when the poor may benefit.

The left wing complain when they don’t get theirs.

 

[leftwinger]

Barry Obama and the Crookocrats ran the country without a budget for 4 years to hide their theft of $trillions$

Every year? Correct? No budget ever passed? CR annually?.. maybe year one. Boehner gave away the whole treasury to them.

 

[danielpalos]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

The right wing only complain when the poor may benefit.

The left wing complain when they don’t get theirs.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Providing for the general warfare is not.

 

[Papageorgio]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

The right wing only complain when the poor may benefit.

The left wing complain when they don’t get theirs.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Providing for the general warfare is not.

The left wing is clueless and Causeless.

 

[Zander]

When I think about the tax cuts I think about how much it will help my children who are just starting out on their path in life. The child tax credit doubling will help my daughter tremendously. She may have options for paying off some of her student loans or using the extra money to take even more classes.
The 20 to 40 bucks she saves on her taxes each week will fill her gas tank relieving her of that burden or help her reduce her child care costs.

When the left thinks about tax cuts they think about everyone but their family & Friends. They would leave their own out on the street if it ment knocking the rich man down a peg or two.

This is the image YOU give with your constant bitching about the tax cuts.

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

The right wing only complain when the poor may benefit.

The left wing complain when they don’t get theirs.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Providing for the general warfare is not.

We PROMOTE the general welfare not provide.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I know I'm looking forward to having more money to spend.


which will get taxed
and increase demand
which means more jobs to supply that demand
which means more people with jobs to be taxed
which will increase demand.....

Of course, you only talk about a small portion of the 1.5 trillion charge to the country credit card.No one is comoplaining about that.

They are complaining about handing well off corporations a huge gift. About handing wealthy people money that they will not spend on the street.

Projected over 10 years and hardly a sure thing

 

[danielpalos]

Wealth concentration via Institutional income redistribution. Some on the left know the right wing is full of fallacy if they believe poverty in the US is an Individual problem.

All taxes are income redistribution, left wing is angry they don’t get to choose who they redistribute it to.

The right wing only complain when the poor may benefit.

The left wing complain when they don’t get theirs.

Providing for the general welfare is in our Constitution.

Providing for the general warfare is not.

We PROMOTE the general welfare not provide.

Appealing to ignorance?

Article 1,Section 8, is where the power to provide is found.