Ray Rice Is having his life assaulted by NFL!

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

If some man ever harmed one of my daughters, to be honest, they'd never find the body , nor even be able to prove he was dead. He would just "go away"

I have daughters, too, so I do understand your instinctual feelings. But in the Ray Rice example we cannot ignore the fact that the woman he allegedly assaulted has voluntarily attached herself to him -- as is the situation in the vast majority of these man-beats-woman events.

Again in the Rice example, not only has the woman attached herself to him she has chosen to remain attached to him. Which should tell you something.

The underlying psychological dynamics in many of these domestic assault situations occur at a level most of us are incapable of fully comprehending. Even the principals, themselves, do not understand what motivates their behavior.

Some recommended reading:

Justine: By the Marquis de Sade

Of Human Bondage: By W. Somerset Maugham

They are damaged , no doubt, but that doesn't give a man a right to beat up a woman.

"Bitch if you didn't like it you'd leave?"

 

[MikeK]

The worst part is that Rice's biatch will cower and do whatever she can to save her sinking ship because at the end of the day money is the most important thing in the trophy ho's life.

That is a very likely possibility.

But where did the assault complaint come from? She can't have it both ways.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

The worst part is that Rice's biatch will cower and do whatever she can to save her sinking ship because at the end of the day money is the most important thing in the trophy ho's life.

That is a very likely possibility.

But where did the assault complaint come from? She can't have it both ways.

Again Mike, the police are REQUIRED to make an arrest and the DA is REQUIRED to press charges if they have evidence of domestic abuse. No more threatening your woman with further harm if she says a word to the cops.

Would you agree that video is pretty conclusive evidence of abuse?

By the way, if Rice would hit the gap in the defense as hard as he hit his wife, hed have been all Pro last year.

bada bing.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

The NFL really dropped the ball on this issue, initially.

Actual physical abuse needs to be expeditiously dealt with; it was not. No serious attempt was made by the NFL to uncover the actual facts of the case.

Conversely, I don't get into pointing my index finger at other people in order to showcase what a "great dude" I am - I do that by living my life in the best way I can.

 

[MikeK]

Again Mike, the police are REQUIRED to make an arrest and the DA is REQUIRED to press charges if they have evidence of domestic abuse. No more threatening your woman with further harm if she says a word to the cops.

If she says she was not assaulted and the video was horseplay the police have nothing to say. At most, if the Casino wishes, they can cite both parties for disorderly conduct.

Would you agree that video is pretty conclusive evidence of abuse?

Without victim testimony, absolutely not. That video is vague and, by itself, proves nothing. The whole issue hangs on what she says, which is why I'm asking who made the assault charge.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Again Mike, the police are REQUIRED to make an arrest and the DA is REQUIRED to press charges if they have evidence of domestic abuse. No more threatening your woman with further harm if she says a word to the cops.

If she says she was not assaulted and the video was horseplay the police have nothing to say. At most, if the Casino wishes, they can cite both parties for disorderly conduct.

Would you agree that video is pretty conclusive evidence of abuse?

Without victim testimony, absolutely not. That video is vague and, by itself, proves nothing. The whole issue hangs on what she says, which is why I'm asking who made the assault charge.

WTF? A woman gets punched in the face , loses consciousness then is dragged across a hotel lke a sack of laundry and the man who did it admits he did it and you say "maybe it was horseplay?"

Are you truly that stupid?

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Again Mike, the police are REQUIRED to make an arrest and the DA is REQUIRED to press charges if they have evidence of domestic abuse. No more threatening your woman with further harm if she says a word to the cops.

If she says she was not assaulted and the video was horseplay the police have nothing to say. At most, if the Casino wishes, they can cite both parties for disorderly conduct.

Would you agree that video is pretty conclusive evidence of abuse?

Without victim testimony, absolutely not. That video is vague and, by itself, proves nothing. The whole issue hangs on what she says, which is why I'm asking who made the assault charge.

Wow, you are in serious denial about this.

look, I understand that sometimes the police goof ... that women will lie in order to exact revenge ... but this was bonafide, horrific, domestic abuse at its absolute ugliest.

 

[MikeK]

Allow me to answer.

The laws on domestic abuse have changed. The abused person's consent is no longer required to press charges. I believe that is universal in every state.

In other words, a police officer can arrest me and charge me with assaulting my wife even if my wife says I didn't assault her?

I don't think so. There needs to be some evidence and in the Rice example that video is ambiguous. No blood? No broken bones?

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Allow me to answer.

The laws on domestic abuse have changed. The abused person's consent is no longer required to press charges. I believe that is universal in every state.

In other words, a police officer can arrest me and charge me with assaulting my wife even if my wife says I didn't assault her?

I don't think so. There needs to be some evidence and in the Rice example that video is ambiguous. No blood? No broken bones?

They can arrest you even if she denies it. A police officer only needs to believe that a crime has been committed. He does not even need to KNOW that any crime has occurred.

I can't speak for the rest of the country, but here in Baltimore, citizens can go downtown and make a report, police will often file charges BASED on that report.

Yes, it sucks to be us - that's our land of the free.

 

[mudwhistle]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Putting him in prison won't prevent him from losing control again.

If she did the same to me I might have reacted as he did.

But I have a clean criminal record.

The young man made a mistake.

Answer me this: Taking him out of his only profession and making him live as best he can with his non-football playing job skills is more likely or less likely to push him toward a life of crime?

The monkey was only behaving as he normally did. The 'mistake' he made was forgetting about the video camera. Had there been no surveillance in the elevator neither of them would had said anything about the attack.
Anyway. She'll be gone within a couple of months. Either he'll murder her or she'll go into hiding and get a ghostwriter to write a fucking book. It will sell nine copies. People would rather buy a book on how to pick their nose.

Are you a RWr or a Leftie?

He's an asshole.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Allow me to answer.

The laws on domestic abuse have changed. The abused person's consent is no longer required to press charges. I believe that is universal in every state.

In other words, a police officer can arrest me and charge me with assaulting my wife even if my wife says I didn't assault her?

I don't think so. There needs to be some evidence and in the Rice example that video is ambiguous. No blood? No broken bones?

IF there is evidence of an assault, not only CAN the police arrest you even if your wife doesn't want to press charges, they MUST arrest you. It is a felony on them if they don't.

Mandatory arrest when they see evidence of an assault.

And once again, you can not POSSIBLY really believe that video shows ANYTHING but a viscous assault.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Apparently it is not possible for Black men to behave like.....

Please keep this kind of garbage in the FZ or race relations, thanks.

Decent people post on this site and we don't need some racist ass-hat mucking up the board.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Anyone else get the feeling that MikeK got aroused watching that video?


I mean seriously, what a sicko. Bet he wants a "rematch"

 

[depotoo]

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. -- Ray Rice spat in the face of Janay Palmer the night he punched her in a hotel elevator, one current and one former security staffer at the Revel hotel told "Outside the Lines."
Three current or former security staffers, who spoke with "Outside the Lines" this week on the condition of anonymity, described additional details of the ugly scene captured on video. Two of the men were on duty the night of the assault, while a third had full access to the security video, which he said he has watched dozens of times. TMZSports.com released a video this week that showed Rice punching Palmer in the face, appearing to knock her unconscious. Revel security workers watched the incident from the operations room through a security camera of the elevator.
One former staffer said Rice, the former Baltimore Ravens running back, spat in his then-fiancée's face twice, "once outside the elevator and once inside," prompting her to retaliate with movements that were ultimately countered with a knockout punch. According to the men, as Rice punched Palmer, the elevator the couple rode was rapidly approaching the hotel lobby just two floors above the casino floor. A security staffer, dispatched from his lobby post, saw Rice starting to drag his fiancée, who appeared to still be unconscious, out of the elevator.
espn

 

[Mojo2]

Allow me to answer.

The laws on domestic abuse have changed. The abused person's consent is no longer required to press charges. I believe that is universal in every state.

In other words, a police officer can arrest me and charge me with assaulting my wife even if my wife says I didn't assault her?

I don't think so. There needs to be some evidence and in the Rice example that video is ambiguous. No blood? No broken bones?

IF there is evidence of an assault, not only CAN the police arrest you even if your wife doesn't want to press charges, they MUST arrest you. It is a felony on them if they don't.

Mandatory arrest when they see evidence of an assault.

And once again, you can not POSSIBLY really believe that video shows ANYTHING but a viscous assault.

I saw a physical provocation starting with her hitting him and him backing away and her charging him as if to do him harm followed by his reacting instinctively by hitting her, whereupon she fell, hitting her head on the railing, knocking her out.

A vicious assault would be him raining blows upon her.

He merely stopped the violence of the entire situation as best he could, using an amount of violence that apparently was enough to do the job, but no more than was necessary.

Her hitting her head on the way down was an accident.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

Allow me to answer.

The laws on domestic abuse have changed. The abused person's consent is no longer required to press charges. I believe that is universal in every state.

In other words, a police officer can arrest me and charge me with assaulting my wife even if my wife says I didn't assault her?

I don't think so. There needs to be some evidence and in the Rice example that video is ambiguous. No blood? No broken bones?

IF there is evidence of an assault, not only CAN the police arrest you even if your wife doesn't want to press charges, they MUST arrest you. It is a felony on them if they don't.

Mandatory arrest when they see evidence of an assault.

And once again, you can not POSSIBLY really believe that video shows ANYTHING but a viscous assault.

I saw a physical provocation starting with her hitting him and him backing away and her charging him as if to do him harm followed by his reacting instinctively by hitting her, whereupon she fell, hitting her head on the railing, knocking her out.

A vicious assault would be him raining blows upon her.

He merely stopped the violence as best he could.

You're pathetic, and a coward just like Rice.

Twice her fucking size and you believe he "defended himself the best he could " by knocking her unconscious and dragging her through a hotel lobby

 

[Unkotare]

What has happened to Ray Rice is a travesty of justice, it is patently unjust that he has received a lifetime suspension from the league. The assaultive behavior Ray Rice displayed in the Casino elevator was absolutely wrong and the National Football league should speak out on it and they did so with a two game suspension that probably would have cost Ray in excess of one hundred thousand dollars in salary.


The problem with our society on these domestic assault cases where there is a big media swirl around like this Ray Rice case and the Chris Brown case is it does not distinguish between cases where the perpetrator was acting out of character or to put it another way just made a mistake and cases where the perpetrator uses women like a punching bag in other words has a character problem in this area. For Ray Rice this isn't a hitting women character problem it is a problem where he lost full physical control of himself this could happen to the majority of men in America under certain circumstances. When you get past the fact Ray knocked out a women and one looks at the video carefully and with balance it is not that incriminating after Ray hit Janay the first time when they were in each others face he immediately backs up and Janay rushes him like she wants to beat his butt and then Ray gives her an upper cut and she falls to the ground this strike by Ray could fairly be characterized as reflexive an automatic defensive movement. This few moments of loss of control by Ray where no one was seriously permanently hurt should not end Ray's football career it is unfair and unjust.


The football players union should do something about the NFL's excessive punishment standard for domestic abuse. They should force the league to roll back the league's lifetime ban for one offense and make the limits be as long as no permanent severe disability has occurred to the victim: a maximum one year ban for the first offense, a maximum two year ban for the second offense and for third or more offenses a lifetime ban is permitted. Roger Goodell and the team owners are making a big mistake here with this one strike and your out standard because consider this Ray Rice is a mediocre player so his loss to the league likely won't change the future of a franchise and its team of players but eventually a super-star player is going to make a transgression in the area of domestic assault and the league because of this standard is going to be forced to end that player's career with a lifetime ban which will affect which team wins the Super-Bowl, and all those team members of the banned players team who don't get the championship will be paying a steep price with the stature and endorsements associated with a super bowl championship and the corresponding city and football fans for that team will also incur a big penalty with such a loss. Team Owners and Mr. Goodell here would benefit from opening up a dictionary and reading the definition of the word shortsighted!

You're a lowlife dirtbag, huh?

 

[Unkotare]

Allow me to answer.

The laws on domestic abuse have changed. The abused person's consent is no longer required to press charges. I believe that is universal in every state.

In other words, a police officer can arrest me and charge me with assaulting my wife even if my wife says I didn't assault her?

I don't think so. There needs to be some evidence and in the Rice example that video is ambiguous. No blood? No broken bones?

IF there is evidence of an assault, not only CAN the police arrest you even if your wife doesn't want to press charges, they MUST arrest you. It is a felony on them if they don't.

Mandatory arrest when they see evidence of an assault.

And once again, you can not POSSIBLY really believe that video shows ANYTHING but a viscous assault.

I saw a physical provocation starting with her hitting him and him backing away and her charging him as if to do him harm followed by his reacting instinctively by hitting her, whereupon she fell, hitting her head on the railing, knocking her out.

A vicious assault would be him raining blows upon her.

He merely stopped the violence of the entire situation as best he could, using an amount of violence that apparently was enough to do the job, but no more than was necessary.

Her hitting her head on the way down was an accident.

You're lower than a fucking worm. Don't ever pretend to be a man, because you just proved that you aren't.

 

[SAYIT]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Putting him in prison won't prevent him from losing control again.

If she did the same to me I might have reacted as he did.

But I have a clean criminal record.

The young man made a mistake.

Answer me this: Taking him out of his only profession and making him live as best he can with his non-football playing job skills is more likely or less likely to push him toward a life of crime?

If he manages to stay out of prison he can play in the Canadian or Indoor Football Leagues. The lesson? Even superstars will be held accountable for their actions.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

He beat her down. If he lost control like that once he can do it again.

Society in general, and the NFL in particular, has no business rewarding that behavior. He should be behind bars, whether his wife presses charges or not.

Putting him in prison won't prevent him from losing control again.

If she did the same to me I might have reacted as he did.

But I have a clean criminal record.

The young man made a mistake.

Answer me this: Taking him out of his only profession and making him live as best he can with his non-football playing job skills is more likely or less likely to push him toward a life of crime?

If he manages to stay out of prison he can play in the Canadian or Indoor Football Leagues. The lesson? Even superstars will be held accountable for their actions.

He'll be back in the NFL within 4 seasons.


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