Ready for Boots on the Ground in Iraq?

[tinydancer]

We are supporting air lift chopper missions now 24/7 and dropping supplies as we go.
Already ISIS has changed tactics to a fall back and blend into the civilian population strategy.
ISIS has almost 2 billion in the bank and have looted everywhere they go. They have made over 200 million selling off ancient antiquities they have stolen since last year. They have around 10 million a month in oil revenue as they black market it over to Turkey. They have set up basically a welfare system everywhere they conquer giving out free food, gas and electricity to those that obey. They have a spy network as good as the Gestapo was and eliminate all opposition everywhere they go, some of the heads placed on poles.

This is what the military told Bush might happen if we toppled Hussein as he had all the crazies in check.
And they would not listen and then when Hussein fell what did they do?
Had a party and proclaimed VICTORY.

Their power came in Syria. Period full stop. You can beat your chest and blame Bush all you want but it is total fucking bullshit.

Where are they now? Could they have taken everything they have, tanks, personnel carriers, M16s and all other sorts of American weapons if Saddam Hussein was still in power in Iraq?
You are the one out of your fucking mind. NO WAY the insurgency in Iraq now and ISIS would have stepped one foot in Iraq.
MOST ALL of the Sunni insurgents in Syria came from where? Iraq.
And 100,000 of our troops on the ground COULD NOT defeat them in Iraq.
Bush fucked it all up and you know it.

We can come up with a million "what ifs" because" if " Bush had not taken out Saddam and his sons we all would have been left with those two maniacs when Saddam died.

I always felt that those were the real WMDs in Iraq. Bona fide lunatics. And I'm not alone.

From Saddam's Demon Seed:

For Iraqis, meanwhile, it meant the passing of two of the regime’s most feared men – in particular Uday, whose psychotic, unhinged brutality made his father look statesmanlike

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/8681025/Saddams-demon-seed.html

 

[tinydancer]

Here's the wonderful thing.

You folks show little understanding of the Middle East and really? You do not give a fuck about the multiple religions/ethnicities/cultures in the region or the complexities of dealing with them. They have oil, we want it, we don't care how it's done. Might makes right, to the victor goes the spoils. And after centuries of that colonial attitude down there, it's exploding. Most notably the recent invasion of Iraq, which completely ignored all the geo-political realities. Like it or not? Iraq was a lynchpin in terms of providing stability. Most of the dictators in the region rule over a seething population of disparate peoples carved into countries by European colonialism. Keeping them together as countries involved the western notion of "nationalism". And "nationalists" need enemies. Big bad Iraq provided for that. The invasion however, sent millions of fleeing refugees into multiple nations. And many of these people reconnected in terms of religious and ethnic lines. And they began to see, very quickly, that their western supported dictators were illegitimate and no longer necessary because Iraq was gone, their lives had gone to shit and the literally had nothing to lose by rebelling against them.

That's what you folks created. This is what we were warning against.

And now it's here.

Bush's "wellspring" of democracy.

Like it?

"Let freedom reign" indeed.

Hey let's get down to when they divided up the Ottoman empire because it's complete bullshit to blame just Bush.

But that doesn't count in the here and now. And why don't you explain to me just how fucking well Obama's Arab Spring has gone in Egypt, Libya, Syria and how his coup is going on in war torn Ukraine now.

Piss off with the Bush bullshit. That's yesterday. Because we really can go way further back on this shit.

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You skipped over the whole thing and went to the Bush invasion, which by the way was explained.

Mubarack had been in power since the 50s. How much longer, given a regional threat was gone, do you think he was going to last? Faced with possibility of massive bloodshed in Egypt, the Obama administration managed the transition in the way that avoided that. It wasn't pretty but it could have been much worse. Same with Libya. And they wanted to become involved in Syria. Congress balked on that..and now over 200K people are dead.

There isn't a good solution to this. There are many bad ones..but wishing it away..isn't going to work.

Right now? We have a force of crazies in Iraq, burning through cities, massacring people and stating that they will be coming for us next.

That can't be allowed to continue.

Sallow we had no right to interfere in Egypt. We gave them Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't know what part of that nightmare you missed but the Egyptian people came to their senses and in force demanded the military to throw Morsi out and to declare the MB what they are. A terrorist organization.

We had no right to interfere in Libya. It has turned into a dogs breakfast with militias running different areas.

We absolutely had no right to interfere in Syria and by destabilizing Syria our moronic leaders have now given us the most powerful terror army on the planet called ISIS and Levant.

And Assad as far as dictators go is an educated mild mannered one. He has protected religious minorities to the point that the Yazidis are running to him for protection.

The 200,000 dead isn't just Assad putting down the terrorists. The terrorists have racked up a formidable body count in Syria.

And Assad has been correct from the beginning. He's not fighting rebels. He's fighting terror armies.

Jihadists are being recruited world wide and the caliphate has been established.

We had no right to back the coup in the Ukraine which has now led to a civil war. Remember when Obama/Kerry/ Harper/Baird / Cameron and the rest of the EU were screaming about 70 dead in Maidan square?

And we handed power to the thugs in Kiev called Svoboda? Well to date from the figures I've been able to get the bastards have killed 1500 plus and won't let humanitarian aid reach the Eastern Ukraine.

We fucked up that too. When are we going to tell our leaders to stop this shit and do what they were elected to do.

Fix our fucking potholes and stop playing regime change around the planet.

 

[Geaux4it]

So you are in agreement with John McCain and Peter King.

You support these guys..right?

Let's just be clear on that. You aren't cherry picking comments.

You support what these guys are advocating wholeheartly..right?

You think that McCain and King are correct about foreign policy.

Unkown.

What is known is what Obama has done or is doing. Its Obama's mess to deal with and once again, he is over his head

Paper Tiger comes to mind

-Geaux

Why is it "unknown", you are sourcing them in your post?

Are you posting commentary you do not agree with?

And once again you seem to be rooting for the bad guys.

Obama has not done a bad job either when dealing with them.
Bin Laden - Dead.
Gaddaffi - Dead.
Multiple Al Qaeda Leaders - Dead.
Ethiopian pirates - Dead.
Syrian Chemical Weapons dismantled.

And most recently..ISIL fighters and getting their martyr wishes answered..in droves.

Ok, I'll slow down a little here for you. How in the hell can anyone know if McCains or Kings plans would work or not? They haven't tried them. You folks assume way to much and you know what they say about that. But to my point, Obama IS trying, I mean, he must be trying to fail as he is doing a hell of a job if he's not.

-Geaux

 

[Gadawg73]

Bush broke it and was warned by US military not to invade Iraq and if he did the consequences would be this.
Bush doctrine was and always was if Iraq turns to democracy then the entire region eventually will.
Noble idea but naive.
"Arab Spring" happened when?
Then Obama fucks it up.
Anyone with half a brain knows you do not change these people. They have been killing each other for centuries.
Does Saddam Hussein have any relatives we can put back in charge?

 

[Gadawg73]

Hey let's get down to when they divided up the Ottoman empire because it's complete bullshit to blame just Bush.

But that doesn't count in the here and now. And why don't you explain to me just how fucking well Obama's Arab Spring has gone in Egypt, Libya, Syria and how his coup is going on in war torn Ukraine now.

Piss off with the Bush bullshit. That's yesterday. Because we really can go way further back on this shit.

.

You skipped over the whole thing and went to the Bush invasion, which by the way was explained.

Mubarack had been in power since the 50s. How much longer, given a regional threat was gone, do you think he was going to last? Faced with possibility of massive bloodshed in Egypt, the Obama administration managed the transition in the way that avoided that. It wasn't pretty but it could have been much worse. Same with Libya. And they wanted to become involved in Syria. Congress balked on that..and now over 200K people are dead.

There isn't a good solution to this. There are many bad ones..but wishing it away..isn't going to work.

Right now? We have a force of crazies in Iraq, burning through cities, massacring people and stating that they will be coming for us next.

That can't be allowed to continue.

Sallow we had no right to interfere in Egypt. We gave them Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood. I don't know what part of that nightmare you missed but the Egyptian people came to their senses and in force demanded the military to throw Morsi out and to declare the MB what they are. A terrorist organization.

We had no right to interfere in Libya. It has turned into a dogs breakfast with militias running different areas.

We absolutely had no right to interfere in Syria and by destabilizing Syria our moronic leaders have now given us the most powerful terror army on the planet called ISIS and Levant.

And Assad as far as dictators go is an educated mild mannered one. He has protected religious minorities to the point that the Yazidis are running to him for protection.

The 200,000 dead isn't just Assad putting down the terrorists. The terrorists have racked up a formidable body count in Syria.

And Assad has been correct from the beginning. He's not fighting rebels. He's fighting terror armies.

Jihadists are being recruited world wide and the caliphate has been established.

We had no right to back the coup in the Ukraine which has now led to a civil war. Remember when Obama/Kerry/ Harper/Baird / Cameron and the rest of the EU were screaming about 70 dead in Maidan square?

And we handed power to the thugs in Kiev called Svoboda? Well to date from the figures I've been able to get the bastards have killed 1500 plus and won't let humanitarian aid reach the Eastern Ukraine.

We fucked up that too. When are we going to tell our leaders to stop this shit and do what they were elected to do.

Fix our fucking potholes and stop playing regime change around the planet.

Agree with most all that and well written except one thing.
Assad is also considered a terrorist same as Hussein was also considered one.
Why do we pick and choose who we topple and use Nation Building as our policy?

 

[1776]

Obama is willing to let ISIS murder thousands of innocent people in order to save face....he won't put regular Army in Iraq. SOF are already there as "advisors," but it's easy to cover up their work...

 

[Gadawg73]

Their power came in Syria. Period full stop. You can beat your chest and blame Bush all you want but it is total fucking bullshit.

Where are they now? Could they have taken everything they have, tanks, personnel carriers, M16s and all other sorts of American weapons if Saddam Hussein was still in power in Iraq?
You are the one out of your fucking mind. NO WAY the insurgency in Iraq now and ISIS would have stepped one foot in Iraq.
MOST ALL of the Sunni insurgents in Syria came from where? Iraq.
And 100,000 of our troops on the ground COULD NOT defeat them in Iraq.
Bush fucked it all up and you know it.

We can come up with a million "what ifs" because" if " Bush had not taken out Saddam and his sons we all would have been left with those two maniacs when Saddam died.

I always felt that those were the real WMDs in Iraq. Bona fide lunatics. And I'm not alone.

From Saddam's Demon Seed:

For Iraqis, meanwhile, it meant the passing of two of the regime’s most feared men – in particular Uday, whose psychotic, unhinged brutality made his father look statesmanlike

Saddam's demon seed - Telegraph

"we would have been left with"

Speaking of "what ifs"
Instead of the "what ifs" we went with spending a trillion dollars, another 2 trillion in disability pay and future medical costs for these vets, arms and munitions left in Iraq per the military strategy which many are now in the hands of the terrorists and how many dead Americans to date.

Give me EVERY ONE of those what ifs damn straight. We damn sure knew what the consequences would be as the military advised us of it.
And Viet Nam taught us nothing.
This ain't rocket science. ALL we did was grow terror with the invasion of Iraq.

 

[1776]

Shut the fuck up....

Iraq didn't create more terrorists, they would've come after us no matter what. Guess what bumfuck....9-11 was before the "second" Iraq war.

The costs of war, well....what about not stopping Saddam from supporting terrorists against Israel, aligning with AQ terrorists and him using WMD that he moved to Syria with help from Russia.

Vietnam is nowhere the same as Iraq, we left Iraq in victory and had a fucking chance to keep it that way until you cocksucking liberals took over the White House and turned it into a mess that we see today.

Shut the fuck up you stupid pile of shit.

Where are they now? Could they have taken everything they have, tanks, personnel carriers, M16s and all other sorts of American weapons if Saddam Hussein was still in power in Iraq?
You are the one out of your fucking mind. NO WAY the insurgency in Iraq now and ISIS would have stepped one foot in Iraq.
MOST ALL of the Sunni insurgents in Syria came from where? Iraq.
And 100,000 of our troops on the ground COULD NOT defeat them in Iraq.
Bush fucked it all up and you know it.

We can come up with a million "what ifs" because" if " Bush had not taken out Saddam and his sons we all would have been left with those two maniacs when Saddam died.

I always felt that those were the real WMDs in Iraq. Bona fide lunatics. And I'm not alone.

From Saddam's Demon Seed:

For Iraqis, meanwhile, it meant the passing of two of the regime’s most feared men – in particular Uday, whose psychotic, unhinged brutality made his father look statesmanlike

Saddam's demon seed - Telegraph

"we would have been left with"

Speaking of "what ifs"
Instead of the "what ifs" we went with spending a trillion dollars, another 2 trillion in disability pay and future medical costs for these vets, arms and munitions left in Iraq per the military strategy which many are now in the hands of the terrorists and how many dead Americans to date.

Give me EVERY ONE of those what ifs damn straight. We damn sure knew what the consequences would be as the military advised us of it.
And Viet Nam taught us nothing.
This ain't rocket science. ALL we did was grow terror with the invasion of Iraq.

 

[Gadawg73]

Obama is willing to let ISIS murder thousands of innocent people in order to save face....he won't put regular Army in Iraq. SOF are already there as "advisors," but it's easy to cover up their work...

We had 130,000 "regular Army" in Iraq for how long? They did a great job as they always do but when did they defeat and conquer the insurgents in Iraq under Bush for 7 years?

They didn't and you believe "regular Army" can defeat ISIS which is 10 times stronger than the insurgency that was in Iraq?

Obama's fuckup and Bush's also is they need to go to the UN and other Arab countries and build a consensus on how to eradicate ISIS.

Doing this alone is a massive failure with Bush, Obama and anyone.
Arrogance is the best word to describe it. "We are Americans and we can kick the ass of anyone".
How has that been working for us the last 65 years?

 

[Gadawg73]

Shut the fuck up....

Iraq didn't create more terrorists, they would've come after us no matter what. Guess what bumfuck....9-11 was before the "second" Iraq war.

The costs of war, well....what about not stopping Saddam from supporting terrorists against Israel, aligning with AQ terrorists and him using WMD that he moved to Syria with help from Russia.

Vietnam is nowhere the same as Iraq, we left Iraq in victory and had a fucking chance to keep it that way until you cocksucking liberals took over the White House and turned it into a mess that we see today.

Shut the fuck up you stupid pile of shit.

We can come up with a million "what ifs" because" if " Bush had not taken out Saddam and his sons we all would have been left with those two maniacs when Saddam died.

I always felt that those were the real WMDs in Iraq. Bona fide lunatics. And I'm not alone.

From Saddam's Demon Seed:

For Iraqis, meanwhile, it meant the passing of two of the regime’s most feared men – in particular Uday, whose psychotic, unhinged brutality made his father look statesmanlike

Saddam's demon seed - Telegraph

"we would have been left with"

Speaking of "what ifs"
Instead of the "what ifs" we went with spending a trillion dollars, another 2 trillion in disability pay and future medical costs for these vets, arms and munitions left in Iraq per the military strategy which many are now in the hands of the terrorists and how many dead Americans to date.

Give me EVERY ONE of those what ifs damn straight. We damn sure knew what the consequences would be as the military advised us of it.
And Viet Nam taught us nothing.
This ain't rocket science. ALL we did was grow terror with the invasion of Iraq.

Everyone admits except you that when we invaded Iraq that gave a rallying cry all over the world that The Great Satan was on Islamic soil and the infidel must be run off.

After the invasion of Iraq the crazies came from all over the world to fight the infidel.
Same with ISIS as Muslims from Australia and over 100 countries came from all over the world to fight for them.

That is the problem and a bigger problem is you are uninformed.

 

[1776]

Asswipe....AQI was DEFEATED once the Iraqi people starting helping us take down the Islamic terrorists and Saddam's goons. Obama decided to give AQI a chance to come back to Iraq by 100% pulling out of Iraq to appease scum like you. AQI left Iraq during Bush's term and ended up forming as ISIL in Syria while Obama watched and now they are in Iraq as ISIS....you stupid fuck.

As for not having some "coalition" in Iraq, yes you are that fucking stupid. The Brits were there as well as others. The Arabs weren't going to get involved with fighting Sunni insurgents and Sunni terrorists in Iraq because that would make themselves targets you stupid fuck cocksucker.

Obama is willing to let ISIS murder thousands of innocent people in order to save face....he won't put regular Army in Iraq. SOF are already there as "advisors," but it's easy to cover up their work...

We had 130,000 "regular Army" in Iraq for how long? They did a great job as they always do but when did they defeat and conquer the insurgents in Iraq under Bush for 7 years?

They didn't and you believe "regular Army" can defeat ISIS which is 10 times stronger than the insurgency that was in Iraq?

Obama's fuckup and Bush's also is they need to go to the UN and other Arab countries and build a consensus on how to eradicate ISIS.

Doing this alone is a massive failure with Bush, Obama and anyone.
Arrogance is the best word to describe it. "We are Americans and we can kick the ass of anyone".
How has that been working for us the last 65 years?

 

[1776]

Given I have been reading intel reports about Iraq before, during and after the war.....shut the fuck up, hick.

Shut the fuck up....

Iraq didn't create more terrorists, they would've come after us no matter what. Guess what bumfuck....9-11 was before the "second" Iraq war.

The costs of war, well....what about not stopping Saddam from supporting terrorists against Israel, aligning with AQ terrorists and him using WMD that he moved to Syria with help from Russia.

Vietnam is nowhere the same as Iraq, we left Iraq in victory and had a fucking chance to keep it that way until you cocksucking liberals took over the White House and turned it into a mess that we see today.

Shut the fuck up you stupid pile of shit.

"we would have been left with"

Speaking of "what ifs"
Instead of the "what ifs" we went with spending a trillion dollars, another 2 trillion in disability pay and future medical costs for these vets, arms and munitions left in Iraq per the military strategy which many are now in the hands of the terrorists and how many dead Americans to date.

Give me EVERY ONE of those what ifs damn straight. We damn sure knew what the consequences would be as the military advised us of it.
And Viet Nam taught us nothing.
This ain't rocket science. ALL we did was grow terror with the invasion of Iraq.

Everyone admits except you that when we invaded Iraq that gave a rallying cry all over the world that The Great Satan was on Islamic soil and the infidel must be run off.

After the invasion of Iraq the crazies came from all over the world to fight the infidel.
Same with ISIS as Muslims from Australia and over 100 countries came from all over the world to fight for them.

That is the problem and a bigger problem is you are uninformed.

 

[1776]

Any way....all this bullshit about Bush this and that is a moot point when one knows Obama claimed Iraq was "his success" and that he personally won there by getting every US troop out with Iraq on a path to peace and stability.

We all know that was a fucking lie, Obama didn't win Iraq...the fighting was pretty much over once he got into office. Leaving Iraq without our military support didn't help maintain the peace and security the US military created there.

So shut the fuck up about Buuuuuuuuuuuuush, today is all about Obama. He has been in office since 2009 you stupid mother fuckers.

 

[Camp]

Why does the myth about the war being pretty much over once Obama took office continue. It really is a lie unless you believe having almost one US military person killed in action every day during the last year of the Bush administration "almost over". Of course it was indeed over for the over 10,000 estimated Iraq civilians who lost their lives from the violence of the "almost over" war.

 

[Gadawg73]

Asswipe....AQI was DEFEATED once the Iraqi people starting helping us take down the Islamic terrorists and Saddam's goons. Obama decided to give AQI a chance to come back to Iraq by 100% pulling out of Iraq to appease scum like you. AQI left Iraq during Bush's term and ended up forming as ISIL in Syria while Obama watched and now they are in Iraq as ISIS....you stupid fuck.

As for not having some "coalition" in Iraq, yes you are that fucking stupid. The Brits were there as well as others. The Arabs weren't going to get involved with fighting Sunni insurgents and Sunni terrorists in Iraq because that would make themselves targets you stupid fuck cocksucker.

Obama is willing to let ISIS murder thousands of innocent people in order to save face....he won't put regular Army in Iraq. SOF are already there as "advisors," but it's easy to cover up their work...

We had 130,000 "regular Army" in Iraq for how long? They did a great job as they always do but when did they defeat and conquer the insurgents in Iraq under Bush for 7 years?

They didn't and you believe "regular Army" can defeat ISIS which is 10 times stronger than the insurgency that was in Iraq?

Obama's fuckup and Bush's also is they need to go to the UN and other Arab countries and build a consensus on how to eradicate ISIS.

Doing this alone is a massive failure with Bush, Obama and anyone.
Arrogance is the best word to describe it. "We are Americans and we can kick the ass of anyone".
How has that been working for us the last 65 years?

Al Qaeda "defeated"

They LEFT their haven around Baghdad Zone 1 which is where the surge was. Then we chased them to Mosul, Diyala, Salah and a few other areas and they LEFT there.
At NO time was our military advising to POLICE any of those areas. Dumbass, the role of the military is always to attack, conquer and go home. It is fools like you that believe in nation building and staying 40 years baby sitting Iraqis that are too chicken to fight for themselves.
Same as Nam where my brother did 3 tours 66-68 while the South Vietnamese we had the chicken hawks like you then wanting us to sacrifice our men for another 15 years because of gains in Tet.

Would be Democrats that got us into that one.
Al Qaeda just blended in somewhere else Moe as they DO NOT wear uniforms.

How do YOU tell the difference between Al Qaeda or any of these terror groups and an ordinary Arab man?

All this has done by BOTH parties is get us further into a mess we never should have gotten into in the first place.
And this time it was BUSH and his dumb asses that started it.

 

[Gadawg73]

Add in we BRIBED all of the Sunni insurgents, many of them with Al Qaeda ties, to stay home during the surge. There is plenty of video showing them coming in and getting 5 grand in AMERICAN CASH, $100 BILLS not to oppose us in the surge. Patreus came forward with the idea publicly.
And now they are back at it after the $$$ ran out.

hahahaha, we defeated Al Qaeda. We knocked the shit out of them but their power is all over the fucking world.

 

[Gadawg73]

Any way....all this bullshit about Bush this and that is a moot point when one knows Obama claimed Iraq was "his success" and that he personally won there by getting every US troop out with Iraq on a path to peace and stability.

We all know that was a fucking lie, Obama didn't win Iraq...the fighting was pretty much over once he got into office. Leaving Iraq without our military support didn't help maintain the peace and security the US military created there.

So shut the fuck up about Buuuuuuuuuuuuush, today is all about Obama. He has been in office since 2009 you stupid mother fuckers.

You will not see me claiming Obama had any "success" in Iraq.
When did Bush have any success in Iraq?
Massive failure fuck up from word go.

 

[Gadawg73]

I would have been doing cyber cartwheels in my living room cheering him on.

But having followed this "Arab Spring" fairy tale since it began I knew Obama wouldn't do jack shit about ISIS and Levant.

Why? Because Obama and other western leaders have been so focused on attempting to remove Assad from power at any cost they willingly turned a blind7 eye to the terror groups in Syria.

Now we have a big "whoopsies" to deal with because of their short sightedness. The morons we have as leaders didn't anticipate "what could possibly go wrong".

And here we are with a massive humanitarian disaster on our hands.

Here's the wonderful thing.

You folks show little understanding of the Middle East and really? You do not give a fuck about the multiple religions/ethnicities/cultures in the region or the complexities of dealing with them. They have oil, we want it, we don't care how it's done. Might makes right, to the victor goes the spoils. And after centuries of that colonial attitude down there, it's exploding. Most notably the recent invasion of Iraq, which completely ignored all the geo-political realities. Like it or not? Iraq was a lynchpin in terms of providing stability. Most of the dictators in the region rule over a seething population of disparate peoples carved into countries by European colonialism. Keeping them together as countries involved the western notion of "nationalism". And "nationalists" need enemies. Big bad Iraq provided for that. The invasion however, sent millions of fleeing refugees into multiple nations. And many of these people reconnected in terms of religious and ethnic lines. And they began to see, very quickly, that their western supported dictators were illegitimate and no longer necessary because Iraq was gone, their lives had gone to shit and the literally had nothing to lose by rebelling against them.

That's what you folks created. This is what we were warning against.

And now it's here.

Bush's "wellspring" of democracy.

Like it?

"Let freedom reign" indeed.

Y'all weren't warning anything.

They didn't warn.
The military did. They are sick and tired of chicken hawks and their wars ala Nam and this.
Not a partisan thing.
Military warned and they told Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld

And the kicker is they ALSO advised Bush et al to NOT run off the Baath party and all their in place security and military which had given off.
WWII Patton and the military advised Truman to leave in place the Nazi Party officials- as they had to be in the party to be in government position and banned post war from being associated with anything nazi, party members, most all military, police and NO politicians, to run everything. Many in Truman's administration adamantly opposed that but Truman listened.
Bush refused to listen as the military advised the same damn thing and he and Bremer fucked everything up.

We invented an immediate 85,000 armed to the teeth insurgency as a result of that blunder in Iraq. Day after that was announced they killed 14 Americans with attacks on vehicles.

Oh My, the fuckups one makes when they support nation building.

 

[Desperado]

Add in we BRIBED all of the Sunni insurgents, many of them with Al Qaeda ties, to stay home during the surge. There is plenty of video showing them coming in and getting 5 grand in AMERICAN CASH, $100 BILLS not to oppose us in the surge. Patreus came forward with the idea publicly.
And now they are back at it after the $$$ ran out.

hahahaha, we defeated Al Qaeda. We knocked the shit out of them but their power is all over the fucking world.

Hell of a way to fight a war!!!!

 

[Gadawg73]

Where is the Iraqi that wants a democratic government free from religious influence in government?
Where is that person. Attempting to sway them to that is like pissing into the wind, they DO NOT WANT IT.
That was the Bush plan. Force feed them something they do not even want.
Get the hell out of there without making a sound, real quiet.
Soon as that happens they will start back to where they were before Bush invaded:
They WILL immediately start hating each other again more than they hate us.