Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101

[Dad2three]

Yeah and guess what? your hero Obomination just like every single president since reagan has,has followed his footsteps. every single president since reagan has been more evil and corrupt than the previous one.

our country was actually a half way decent country with actual freedoms back when carter was in office-the last fairly good president we had who served the people instead of the bankers and the establishment, but it hasnt been ever since Reagan took office since every single president since him has esculated what he got started.

and thats because whether you realise it or not,its a ONE PARTY SYSTEM designed to look like two parties so the american sheople think they have a choice in who gets elected.The proof is in the pudding.our last GREAT president,who actually served the people instead of the bankers,paid for that mistake on nov 22nd 1963.

The president is just a puppet following their orders given to him by the bankers and military industrial complex-whom Eisenhower warned the american people to be aware of in his farewell address speech.He wasnt being their willing puppet and wasnt doing what they told him to do and he paid the price for it on that date.

Since then,Carter has been the only decent president we have had who also served the people instead of the bankers.perfect example of another presidnet who tried to do the right thing and as a result,another perfect example of another good president who did not get to serve in office very long because of that.

Here is the proof in the pudding that everything that I have said is true.You might actually take the time-"two hours out of your schedule," to watch it.

Nobody has ever been able to debunk it.

The Obama Deception HQ Full length version - YouTube

Dad you never answered my question here which is have you seen this two hour video THE OBAMA DECEPTION? you should watch it because there is one part in there that refers to JFK and explains in detail with proof contrary to what the reaganut worshippers believe,that JFK was our last GREAT president we had.

JFK was our last GREAT president we had but carter was our last GOOD president we had.we were actually taking positive steps under carters leadership when he was in office on getting back to being a free country again and having civil libertys as well honored.

That all changed with Reagan and with every president since him,they all turned it up a notch what he got started.he was the original grandfather of all these presidents since him taking us down that path towards a facist dictatership.Like I said before,thats just another example of how when a good president that comes along,he doesnt get to serve in office very long.

Dad since I obviously cant get an answer from you on this video,I'm going to assume you are a fan of Obama? which I fail to understand why since he is a facist dictater who has copied everything that reagan the grandfather of it all got started.

We have 2 choices when voting for Prez, bad and MUCH worse. I tend to vote bad

Do I wish he was a REAL liberal versus second best conservative Prez since Ike (only Bill was better)? Yes


UNTIL WE GET FINANCE REFORM, MONEY OUT OF POLITICS, WE WILL NOT HAVE A 'GOOD CHOICE' TO CHOOSE FROM!

 

[Dad2three]

Well, SDI worked well enough to not be a failure, but that isn't really the point. Dante does have a kernel of truth that Reagan's actions really did appall the extreme right and what would be the neocons. Reagan didn't make any secret that he loathed nuclear weapons. (that was much of the joke when he said on tv, not knowing the cameras were on, 'the bombing commences in ... minutes.")

Reagan was a liberal in terms of he shared the founders view that mankind inevitably was in an upward spiral towards personal liberation. His religious views weren't all that different from Deists. The notion that freedom was secured via mutually assured destruction of human kind was abhorrent. But, he was such a staunch anti-communist, the RW didn't go there. Moreover, Goldwater had been maligned by the Daisy commercial by LBJ. Frankly, Goldwater was less a menace to unleash the holocaust than LBJ.

The impact of SDI was that Reagan and Gorby both knew the soviet generals would have to respond to an arms race, and the soviets couldn't afford it. (Neither could we, but so much) Whether the damn thing could stop 50-75-90% of warheads wasn't really the point. The Soviets needed a lot more missles, that was the point.

By the mid 80s it was clear that the Soviet economy wasn't able to allocate capital quickly enough to compete in a post-technological world. Reagan always distrusted the CIA analysis of their economy. While the Soviets probably did grow gnp faster than we in the early 60s, there was no way they could compete in 1984. As the saying went, if they can't provide citizens tampons, they are a third world country with nukes.

So, into his second term, having achieved a fair degree of conventional arms parity, and with a idealist distrust of MAD, and the economic evidence that his faith in neoliberal economics (Thatcherism) was justified, the old guy was a lot freer to be Reagan. And Dante's right, there were political commentators on the right who weren't as great visionaries as Reagan, who didn't get that.

But, the economic views of Commanding Heights sort balance out Will and the gang.

You meant to say Reagan's (one sided) Keynesian policies where he ramped up spending created an economy that did slightly better than the stagnant 1970's? He did this at the same time he cut revenues to the treasury and taxes on the rich. Tripled US debt



SDI WORKED? Under Reagan? Got a link?


This was the first successful test of the U.S. missile defense system in four attempts dating back to December, 2008.

Of the 16 tests of this defense system held thus far, eight hit the target and eight missed it.

The system was declared operational 10 years ago and has cost a total of $40 billion. It dates back to President Reagan’s “Star Wars” concept.

The defending missile is supposed to hit the incoming missile in mid-air. Like all the previous tests, this one was carefully staged.

Those launching the intercepting missile knew the target’s exact dimensions, its time of launch, its trajectory, and its speed.

This information would not be available in time of war.

News & Views: Missile defense hits its target

 

[Dad2three]

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

Did you then vote Dem?

Don't you just love it! Like he's the first Prog who ever told us that "I use ta be a Republican"

Nah, never stupid enough to be a Repug, just a Reagan Dem till I grew a brain. Ronnie was my first Prez vote, the second one was the last Repug vote I ever made!

 

[Dad2three]

Reagan was simply never REALLY in charge of anything...when he found out about Iran/Contra and that his people really had been running drugs and using the money to buy and trade guns/hostages with Iran he spent DAYS in his pajamas, watching his old movies.

Reagan talked about freedom, he gave us the drug war. He talked about Rule of Law, he gave us Iran/Contra. He talked about fiscal responsibility, he ran $300 billion dollar deficits, He talked about smaller government and expanded government in both size and scope...not-so-great a record. I voted for him, twice, BTW.

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

 

[JoeB131]

...and strategic defense initiative worked.

NOt really.

Unless by working, you mean making billions for defense contractors for a system that didn't work.

Heck, they couldn't even knock down slow moving SCUDs in Gulf War I.

Keep up on current events, Josef.

News & Views: Missile defense hits its target
By Howard Hurlbut, Guest columnist
POSTED: 07/02/14, 8:45 PM PDT | 0 COMMENTS
A ground-based missile fired from Vandenberg Air Force Base hit a mock enemy warhead launched from the Marshall Islands last week.

Better than spending over $1 Billion to build the worlds only website that can't tell you when and if someone bought your product

YOu mean after 30 years of trying, they managed to knock out a missile where they knew the exact time and trajectory it would be flying under?

Really?

This impresses you?

Because I can't think a real enemy is ever going to be accommodating enough to

1) Just launch one missile.
2) Tell us which missiles are dummies and which one has the real warhead
3) Tell us exactly what time and flight path their missile is going to take.
4) Not launch preliminary attacks against wherever we will launch the counter-missiles from.

 

[Meathead]

Who cares if SDI worked. Reagan was a master at playing the card, and damned if it didn't work. He scared the living shit out of the Soviets and drove another nail into their coffin.

The man certainly led a charmed political life. As governor of California and as POTUS, he could do little wrong. Almost 30 years after his death, he is viewed by 35% of Americans as the best post-WWII leader. Read 'em and weep suckers!

 

[JoeB131]

Who cares if SDI worked. Reagan was a master at playing the card, and damned if it didn't work. He scared the living shit out of the Soviets and drove another nail into their coffin.

The man certainly led a charmed political life. As governor of California and as POTUS, he could do little wrong. Almost 30 years after his death, he is viewed by 35% of Americans as the best post-WWII leader. Read 'em and weep suckers!

Um, no, not really.

The USSR fell because of the same reason all other empires fall. The ruling nation no longer saw a benefit to having an empire, and the ruled no longer saw a benefit to being ruled.

But please believe it was because the DoorMat of Europe wanted to throw off the communists for big corporations.

 

[JoeB131]

The USSR did not fall because of SDI, or arming Jihadis in Afghanistan, or because Reagan gave a wall a stern talking to.

It fell because Poles and East Germans and Hungarians and Khazaks and Uzbeks were just tired of taking shit from Russians, and Russians were getting tired of keeping them in line.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The USSR did not fall because of SDI, or arming Jihadis in Afghanistan, or because Reagan gave a wall a stern talking to.

It fell because Poles and East Germans and Hungarians and Khazaks and Uzbeks were just tired of taking shit from Russians, and Russians were getting tired of keeping them in line.

True.

In fact, the Soviet Union didn't really 'fall,' it's still very much with us today – it has a different name and is under new(ish) management, but whether Empire, Soviet State, or Federation, the Russian worldview hasn't much changed, nor has it's tactics, goals, or hostility toward, and suspicion of, the West.

Indeed, it's likely that Reagan's inept, incompetent, and belligerent 'strategy' toward the Soviet Union confirmed Russians' perception of the West, establishing the foundation and justification of the current Putin dictatorship.

If actual democracy fails in Russia, which seems likely, it will be yet another consequence of failed conservative foreign policy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

LOL!

Classic!

Word for word from the "I used ta be a Republican" script

 

[CrusaderFrank]

NOt really.

Unless by working, you mean making billions for defense contractors for a system that didn't work.

Heck, they couldn't even knock down slow moving SCUDs in Gulf War I.

Keep up on current events, Josef.

News & Views: Missile defense hits its target
By Howard Hurlbut, Guest columnist
POSTED: 07/02/14, 8:45 PM PDT | 0 COMMENTS
A ground-based missile fired from Vandenberg Air Force Base hit a mock enemy warhead launched from the Marshall Islands last week.

Better than spending over $1 Billion to build the worlds only website that can't tell you when and if someone bought your product

YOu mean after 30 years of trying, they managed to knock out a missile where they knew the exact time and trajectory it would be flying under?

Really?

This impresses you?

Because I can't think a real enemy is ever going to be accommodating enough to

1) Just launch one missile.
2) Tell us which missiles are dummies and which one has the real warhead
3) Tell us exactly what time and flight path their missile is going to take.
4) Not launch preliminary attacks against wherever we will launch the counter-missiles from.

Joe, unlike the ObamaCare website, SDI worked.

You and Carl Sagan got it wrong.

And the system gets better every time.

It must suck to keep rooting for the USSR and failure

 

[gipper]

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

Okay...so since Reagan ran up the deficit, expanded the drug war, and ignored the rule of law, you decided to vote for the most liberal candidates.

Do you fail to see how dumb that is?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The USSR did not fall because of SDI, or arming Jihadis in Afghanistan, or because Reagan gave a wall a stern talking to.

It fell because Poles and East Germans and Hungarians and Khazaks and Uzbeks were just tired of taking shit from Russians, and Russians were getting tired of keeping them in line.

Thank you, DNC.

 

[Meathead]

Who cares if SDI worked. Reagan was a master at playing the card, and damned if it didn't work. He scared the living shit out of the Soviets and drove another nail into their coffin.

The man certainly led a charmed political life. As governor of California and as POTUS, he could do little wrong. Almost 30 years after his death, he is viewed by 35% of Americans as the best post-WWII leader. Read 'em and weep suckers!

Um, no, not really.

The USSR fell because of the same reason all other empires fall. The ruling nation no longer saw a benefit to having an empire, and the ruled no longer saw a benefit to being ruled.

But please believe it was because the DoorMat of Europe wanted to throw off the communists for big corporations.

I'm sure you and a few other dingbats believe that. What you call the doormat of Europe, Hungary, then Czechoslovakia, Poland, Bulgaria, East Germany and Romania, certainly was until your beloved Soviets were overthrown. Reagan was a giant, and no amount of historical revision is going to change his roll in reducing that Union to rubble.

Get over it. Humpty Dumpty will never be pieced back together again.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I actually voted for him twice also, then I grew a brain and never have voted for a GOPer since

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

What a dope you are.....bet you hear that a lot.


1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And the tax cuts of the Economic Recovery Act of 1981 stimulated economic growth. “As a 1982 JEC study pointed out,[1] similar across-the-board tax cuts had been implemented in the 1920s as the Mellon tax cuts, and in the 1960s as the Kennedy tax cuts. In both cases the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid.” http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm


“As inflation came down and as more and more of the tax cuts from the 1981 Act went into effect, the economic began a strong and sustained pattern of growth.”
US Department of the Treasury


The benefits from Reaganomics:
a. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
b. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
c. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
d. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
e. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) FDsys - Browse ERP
f. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116


b. and c. Kiva - Kiva Lending Team: Team Ron Paul, Hulk Hogan, Jesus of Nazareth, Chuck Norris, Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Thomas Jefferson, Alex Jones, Peyton Manning, The Tuskegee Airmen, Schiff, REAL Americans, and George W. Bush

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

What a dope you are.....bet you hear that a lot.


1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And the tax cuts of the Economic Recovery Act of 1981 stimulated economic growth. “As a 1982 JEC study pointed out,[1] similar across-the-board tax cuts had been implemented in the 1920s as the Mellon tax cuts, and in the 1960s as the Kennedy tax cuts. In both cases the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid.” http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm


“As inflation came down and as more and more of the tax cuts from the 1981 Act went into effect, the economic began a strong and sustained pattern of growth.”
US Department of the Treasury


The benefits from Reaganomics:
a. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
b. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
c. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
d. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
e. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) FDsys - Browse ERP
f. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116


b. and c. Kiva - Kiva Lending Team: Team Ron Paul, Hulk Hogan, Jesus of Nazareth, Chuck Norris, Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Thomas Jefferson, Alex Jones, Peyton Manning, The Tuskegee Airmen, Schiff, REAL Americans, and George W. Bush

That's another reason why Progressives HATE Reagan

 

[Dad2three]

Who cares if SDI worked. Reagan was a master at playing the card, and damned if it didn't work. He scared the living shit out of the Soviets and drove another nail into their coffin.

The man certainly led a charmed political life. As governor of California and as POTUS, he could do little wrong. Almost 30 years after his death, he is viewed by 35% of Americans as the best post-WWII leader. Read 'em and weep suckers!

A Gallup poll taken in 1992 found that Ronald Reagan was the most unpopular living president apart from Nixon, and ranked even below Jimmy Carter; just 46 percent of Americans had a favorable view of Reagan while Carter was viewed favorably by 63 percent of Americans.

This was before the Hollywood-style re-write of Reagan’s presidency that created the fictional character portrayed during Reagan’s 100th birthday celebration. The campaign was led by Grover Norquist and his “Ronald Reagan Legacy Project,” along with corporate-funded propaganda mills like Heritage and American Enterprise Institute that underwrote hundreds of flattering books to create a mythic hero and perpetual tax-cutter.


...Did Reagan end the Cold War? Immediately after the Berlin Wall fell, a USA Today survey found that only 14% of respondents believed that. Historians mostly credit forty years of “Containment” by eight U.S. presidents.


Vox Verax: The Whitewashing of Ronald Reagan

 

[Dad2three]

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

Okay...so since Reagan ran up the deficit, expanded the drug war, and ignored the rule of law, you decided to vote for the most liberal candidates.

Do you fail to see how dumb that is?

Didn't read the other comments and use context huh? I said I voted Ronnie 'Cut and Run' Reagan twice THEN grew a brain, and started voting the most liberal. I was 19 my first GOP vote, 23 my last...

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan: Revitalized the US economy, crushed the USSR, and hated by "American" Progressives.

Not bad, not bad all all, Ronnie

 

[Dad2three]

Did you then vote Dem?

Mostly, try to vote the most liberal candidate I can

Conservative policy NEVER works for ANYONE but the 1%ers

What a dope you are.....bet you hear that a lot.


1. Under Reagan, the debt went up $1.7 trillion, from $900 billion to $2.6 trillion.
2. But….the national wealth went up $ 17 trillion
3. Reagan's near-trillion-dollar bulge in defense spending transformed the global balance of power in favor of capitalism. Spurring a stock-market, energy, venture-capital, real-estate and employment boom, the Reagan tax-rate cuts and other pro-enterprise policies added some $17 trillion to America's private-sector assets, dwarfing the trillion-dollar rise in public-sector deficits and creating 45 million net new jobs at rising wages and salaries.

George Gilder: The Real Reagan Lesson for Romney-Ryan - WSJ

Reaganomics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


And the tax cuts of the Economic Recovery Act of 1981 stimulated economic growth. “As a 1982 JEC study pointed out,[1] similar across-the-board tax cuts had been implemented in the 1920s as the Mellon tax cuts, and in the 1960s as the Kennedy tax cuts. In both cases the reduction of high marginal tax rates actually increased tax payments by "the rich," also increasing their share of total individual income taxes paid.” http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm


“As inflation came down and as more and more of the tax cuts from the 1981 Act went into effect, the economic began a strong and sustained pattern of growth.”
US Department of the Treasury


The benefits from Reaganomics:
a. The economy grew at a 3.4% average rate…compared with 2.9% for the previous eight years, and 2.7% for the next eight.(Table B-4)
b. Inflation rate dropped from 12.5% to 4.4%. (Table B-63)
c. Unemployment fell to 5.5% from 7.1% (Table B-35)
d. Prime interest rate fell by one-third.(Table B-73)
e. The S & P 500 jumped 124% (Table B-95) FDsys - Browse ERP
f. Charitable contributions rose 57% faster than inflation. Dinesh D’Souza, “Ronald Reagan: How an Ordinary May Became an Extraordinary Leader,” p. 116


b. and c. Kiva - Kiva Lending Team: Team Ron Paul, Hulk Hogan, Jesus of Nazareth, Chuck Norris, Ronald Reagan, John Wayne, Thomas Jefferson, Alex Jones, Peyton Manning, The Tuskegee Airmen, Schiff, REAL Americans, and George W. Bush

Yes, Reagan was the ONY Prez to triple the US debt. First Prez to take US from a creditor nation to debtor nation.

Reagan opposed the Civil Rights Act, which he said he would have voted against, and publically supported the South African apartheid regime

If government employment under Mr. Obama had grown at Reagan-era rates, 1.3 million more Americans would be working as schoolteachers, firefighters, police officers, etc., than are currently employed in such jobs.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/opinion/krugman-states-of-depression.html?_r=4&hp&

These lack of correlation between lower taxes and increased economic growth flies in the face of the assumptions of many. But upon a closer look, it’s easy to understand why higher taxes can actually encourage more investment in the economy.

Many Reagan apologists claim that these tax cuts created the robust economy that followed. However this ignores ignores the effects of the Federal Reserve’s lowering of interest rates. Reagan also increased military spending and ran up the federal deficit (the combined effect of tax cuts and increased spending). In other words, Reagan did exactly what Republican pundits who praise him are currently criticizing Obama for. Reagan advocates claim his tax cuts bolstered the economy while ignoring the lowered interest rates and increased deficit spending (kind of like an ongoing stimulus package).


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