Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101

[CrusaderFrank]

You know. We went from 1 Trillion in debt in the first 200 years of our history to 4 trillion when Ray-Gun left office in an Alzheimer's induced daze.

Revenues shrank?

Yup. After adjusting for inflation, the government was bringing in less money.

Because you say so?

 

[JoeB131]

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Unlike Barack Obama...Ronald Reagan understood that in order for a divided government to function each side had to make compromises. Reagan had a good working relationship with Tip O'Neil throughout his Presidency. Obama doesn't even understand the concept.

Tip O'Neill didn't come out on day one and say, "I hope he Fails".

That could be because unlike Obama, Reagan's plan was not to destroy the United States of America

Really? Quadrupling the National Debt, shipping all the good paying jobs to Asia, (The Japanese paid him a 1 Million dollar speaking fee after he left office) busting up the Middle Class.

Looks like he pretty much destroyed America to me.

 

[JoeB131]

Revenues shrank?

Yup. After adjusting for inflation, the government was bringing in less money.

What a deceitful f****** statement the only way that is true is if you don't adjust the revenue for inflation

No, adjusting for inflation, less money in real dollars was coming in.

Partially because Reagan busted up all those nice middle class jobs.

Partially because he gave obscene tax breaks to the rich before he had to backtrack and raise taxes on them again.

 

[thanatos144]

Yup. After adjusting for inflation, the government was bringing in less money.

What a deceitful f****** statement the only way that is true is if you don't adjust the revenue for inflation

No, adjusting for inflation, less money in real dollars was coming in.

Partially because Reagan busted up all those nice middle class jobs.

Partially because he gave obscene tax breaks to the rich before he had to backtrack and raise taxes on them again.

Go learn some math idiot

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, go back and look at budget numbers. Reagan's budgets were oceans of red ink.

 

[thanatos144]

Guy, go back and look at budget numbers. Reagan's budgets were oceans of red ink.

That's the way you progressives like it.... Mostly because your all to fucking stupid to learn how to add and subtract.

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, go back and look at budget numbers. Reagan's budgets were oceans of red ink.

That's the way you progressives like it.... Mostly because your all to fucking stupid to learn how to add and subtract.

Guy, you don't know the difference between "too" and "to", something fourth graders usually manage.

Point was, Reagan cut taxes and increased spending on the military. More money going out, less money coming in. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how that works.

 

[Pauli007001]

Joeys lying up a storm again!!
Though his valid point, you can't spend more than you have...............

Isn't that a tea party talking point?

Yet the fanatics rile against the tea party with the most vicious hate and vitriol!!
Didn't all the support their hero who has been instigating the mass murder of children of suspected tea party members!

 

[JoeB131]

Joeys lying up a storm again!!
Though his valid point, you can't spend more than you have...............

Isn't that a tea party talking point?

Yet the fanatics rile against the tea party with the most vicious hate and vitriol!!
Didn't all the support their hero who has been instigating the mass murder of children of suspected tea party members!

THe reason why the Teabaggers are hated is because instead of insisting the rich pay their fair share, they insist that poor children shouldn't get food or medicine, as a way to pass their budget.

Except they know damned well they'd have riots in the streets if they ever tried it.

So borrowing from China we go.

 

[Oldstyle]

Joeys lying up a storm again!!
Though his valid point, you can't spend more than you have...............

Isn't that a tea party talking point?

Yet the fanatics rile against the tea party with the most vicious hate and vitriol!!
Didn't all the support their hero who has been instigating the mass murder of children of suspected tea party members!

THe reason why the Teabaggers are hated is because instead of insisting the rich pay their fair share, they insist that poor children shouldn't get food or medicine, as a way to pass their budget.

Except they know damned well they'd have riots in the streets if they ever tried it.

So borrowing from China we go.

What the Tea Party is asking for is less spending by the most bloated and inefficient government in the history of mankind. Every time that they do so they are attacked by progressives for "hating" poor children or old people. The truth is...if you took every thin dime that the "rich" have it STILL wouldn't be enough to pay for the entitlements that we are now obligated for. It would however completely decimate what's left of our economy. But you don't care about THAT...do you, Joe...oh, no...you're too worried about some rich guy not paying what YOU think is "fair" to actually do something intelligent.

 

[JoeB131]

Joeys lying up a storm again!!
Though his valid point, you can't spend more than you have...............

Isn't that a tea party talking point?

Yet the fanatics rile against the tea party with the most vicious hate and vitriol!!
Didn't all the support their hero who has been instigating the mass murder of children of suspected tea party members!

THe reason why the Teabaggers are hated is because instead of insisting the rich pay their fair share, they insist that poor children shouldn't get food or medicine, as a way to pass their budget.

Except they know damned well they'd have riots in the streets if they ever tried it.

So borrowing from China we go.

What the Tea Party is asking for is less spending by the most bloated and inefficient government in the history of mankind. Every time that they do so they are attacked by progressives for "hating" poor children or old people. The truth is...if you took every thin dime that the "rich" have it STILL wouldn't be enough to pay for the entitlements that we are now obligated for. It would however completely decimate what's left of our economy. But you don't care about THAT...do you, Joe...oh, no...you're too worried about some rich guy not paying what YOU think is "fair" to actually do something intelligent.

They're's plenty of wealth being held by the rich to more than pay for the government.

There's 54 TRILLION in wealth in this country. The Government only spends about 3 Trillion a year. The wealthy top 20% have 87% of that wealth. The Top 1% have 43% of that wealth.

Higher top marginal rates, and estate taxes on the very wealthy. Done.

 

[Pauli007001]

THe reason why the Teabaggers are hated is because instead of insisting the rich pay their fair share, they insist that poor children shouldn't get food or medicine, as a way to pass their budget.

Except they know damned well they'd have riots in the streets if they ever tried it.

So borrowing from China we go.

What the Tea Party is asking for is less spending by the most bloated and inefficient government in the history of mankind. Every time that they do so they are attacked by progressives for "hating" poor children or old people. The truth is...if you took every thin dime that the "rich" have it STILL wouldn't be enough to pay for the entitlements that we are now obligated for. It would however completely decimate what's left of our economy. But you don't care about THAT...do you, Joe...oh, no...you're too worried about some rich guy not paying what YOU think is "fair" to actually do something intelligent.

They're's plenty of wealth being held by the rich to more than pay for the government.

There's 54 TRILLION in wealth in this country. The Government only spends about 3 Trillion a year. The wealthy top 20% have 87% of that wealth. The Top 1% have 43% of that wealth.

Higher top marginal rates, and estate taxes on the very wealthy. Done.

So a 75% tax rate ?

So those who make these trillions and re invest will have 75% less to re invest in the country.

What effect will that have, idiot?

 

[JoeB131]

What the Tea Party is asking for is less spending by the most bloated and inefficient government in the history of mankind. Every time that they do so they are attacked by progressives for "hating" poor children or old people. The truth is...if you took every thin dime that the "rich" have it STILL wouldn't be enough to pay for the entitlements that we are now obligated for. It would however completely decimate what's left of our economy. But you don't care about THAT...do you, Joe...oh, no...you're too worried about some rich guy not paying what YOU think is "fair" to actually do something intelligent.

They're's plenty of wealth being held by the rich to more than pay for the government.

There's 54 TRILLION in wealth in this country. The Government only spends about 3 Trillion a year. The wealthy top 20% have 87% of that wealth. The Top 1% have 43% of that wealth.

Higher top marginal rates, and estate taxes on the very wealthy. Done.

So a 75% tax rate ?

So those who make these trillions and re invest will have 75% less to re invest in the country.

What effect will that have, idiot?

A pretty fucking awesome one, actually.

Under Ike, the top marginal tax rate was 93% if you made $400,000 in 1951 dollars. (That would be about 3.6 million today.)

And with that, we built an interstate highway system that made us the most competitive country in the world, we invested in first rate schools and universities, we poured billions into research and development that brought advances in technology.

Certainly a lot more than if the rich assholes were just allowed to invest in Dressage Horses and swimming pools.

 

[Meathead]

They're's plenty of wealth being held by the rich to more than pay for the government.

There's 54 TRILLION in wealth in this country. The Government only spends about 3 Trillion a year. The wealthy top 20% have 87% of that wealth. The Top 1% have 43% of that wealth.

Higher top marginal rates, and estate taxes on the very wealthy. Done.

So a 75% tax rate ?

So those who make these trillions and re invest will have 75% less to re invest in the country.

What effect will that have, idiot?

A pretty fucking awesome one, actually.

Under Ike, the top marginal tax rate was 93% if you made $400,000 in 1951 dollars. (That would be about 3.6 million today.)

And with that, we built an interstate highway system that made us the most competitive country in the world, we invested in first rate schools and universities, we poured billions into research and development that brought advances in technology.

Certainly a lot more than if the rich assholes were just allowed to invest in Dressage Horses and swimming pools.

Capitalism and investment made us the most competitive country in the world. It spurred research and development and just about anything else you midget intellect can conceive.

Your epic failures are your own. Blaming the rich is not going to help.

 

[JoeB131]

[Capitalism and investment made us the most competitive country in the world. It spurred research and development and just about anything else you midget intellect can conceive.

Your epic failures are your own. Blaming the rich is not going to help.

Guy, you had to move to Germany's Doormat to succeed because you couldn't hack it here.

But, no, man, the Wealthy aren't as important as they think they are. They are parasites that have convinced stupid people they are vital organs.

 

[Meathead]

[Capitalism and investment made us the most competitive country in the world. It spurred research and development and just about anything else you midget intellect can conceive.

Your epic failures are your own. Blaming the rich is not going to help.

Guy, you had to move to Germany's Doormat to succeed because you couldn't hack it here.

But, no, man, the Wealthy aren't as important as they think they are. They are parasites that have convinced stupid people they are vital organs.

You live in Chicago ffs!

Unfortunately, parasites are people like you on the public dole who are too lazy or too incompetent to hold a job. The rich have to bail your sorry asses out in the name of humanity.

 

[JoeB131]

[Capitalism and investment made us the most competitive country in the world. It spurred research and development and just about anything else you midget intellect can conceive.

Your epic failures are your own. Blaming the rich is not going to help.

Guy, you had to move to Germany's Doormat to succeed because you couldn't hack it here.

But, no, man, the Wealthy aren't as important as they think they are. They are parasites that have convinced stupid people they are vital organs.

You live in Chicago ffs!

Unfortunately, parasites are people like you on the public dole who are too lazy or too incompetent to hold a job. The rich have to bail your sorry asses out in the name of humanity.

The rich have no humanity... that's the problem.

 

[thanatos144]

Explains a lot that Blow job Joe gets his political point of views from B Sci-Fi movies.

 

[Oldstyle]

THe reason why the Teabaggers are hated is because instead of insisting the rich pay their fair share, they insist that poor children shouldn't get food or medicine, as a way to pass their budget.

Except they know damned well they'd have riots in the streets if they ever tried it.

So borrowing from China we go.

What the Tea Party is asking for is less spending by the most bloated and inefficient government in the history of mankind. Every time that they do so they are attacked by progressives for "hating" poor children or old people. The truth is...if you took every thin dime that the "rich" have it STILL wouldn't be enough to pay for the entitlements that we are now obligated for. It would however completely decimate what's left of our economy. But you don't care about THAT...do you, Joe...oh, no...you're too worried about some rich guy not paying what YOU think is "fair" to actually do something intelligent.

They're's plenty of wealth being held by the rich to more than pay for the government.

There's 54 TRILLION in wealth in this country. The Government only spends about 3 Trillion a year. The wealthy top 20% have 87% of that wealth. The Top 1% have 43% of that wealth.

Higher top marginal rates, and estate taxes on the very wealthy. Done.

Your ignorance is typical, Joe. Yeah, go ahead and tax the wealthy and see how quickly we're "done". What naive liberals like yourself never seem to grasp is that the wealthy are very good at protecting capital. It's why they have it in the first place! They aren't stationary targets that will cheerfully sign over what they have. That money will be going into tax shelters or out of the country just as soon as your proposed tax on the rich winds it's way through Congress.

You see wealth being "held" by the rich which you'd seize to pay for our out of control government spending. So your "plan" is to siphon off this wealth from the Private Sector and use that to prop up the Public Sector...and yet you expect this to have no effect on the economy?

Here's a hint, Sparky...you can't punish the wealthy for having money and expect them to invest their money. They won't. They'll take that wealth and they will invest it in an economy that isn't punishing them for making a profit. Look at New Jersey and what happened to them when they tried passing a "millionaires tax" because it's a microcosm of what would happen to the US if they did the same thing.

Our government at the moment resembles a large bucket riddled with holes that water is pouring out of. Rather than fix the holes...your solution is to pour more water into the bucket.

 

[Camp]

Presidents don't get remembered for contoversial issues that are debated decades after they leave office. They get remembered for tangible non-controversial things that people can understand with a few short sentences. Reagan rivisionist are pushing against that. It won't work.