Reagan & Conservatives -- Revisonist History 101

[thanatos144]

You mean they saved what they could from the Crazy Clown Casino on Wall Street?

the New Deal was awesome. Guy, you clearly don't know people like my grandparents and parents who lived through that, thought FDR was a great man.

Again, no one is naming things after Coolidge...

Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of American history. Calvin Coolidge was actually a remarkable President...one of my favorites as a matter of fact. The best way to describe him would be as the "anti-Obama". You should read up on the man.

Why would he start reading history now?

 

[editec]

Over 1200 posts and for what? Reagan's place as a great American leader is secure. No amount of butt hurt and whining is ever going to change that.

Get over it, that bird has flown. You need to start looking for excuses for Obama now. That would be more difficult than trying to effect even Reagan's legacy, and far more contemporary.

For what?

Just to counterbalance the historical revisionism the REAGANISTA continue to spew, lad.

He's a legend in YOUR mind, sport.

Anyone who actually reads history, (or remembers it in many cases) knows that about half the credit given to REAGAN is not only wrong its 100% wrong.

Reagan was a BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG SPENDING, BIG BORROWING, TAX INCREASING Kensyian, Lad.

IF you do not know this?

READ the records, lad.

 

[Meathead]

Over 1200 posts and for what? Reagan's place as a great American leader is secure. No amount of butt hurt and whining is ever going to change that.

Get over it, that bird has flown. You need to start looking for excuses for Obama now. That would be more difficult than trying to effect even Reagan's legacy, and far more contemporary.

For what?

Just to counterbalance the historical revisionism the REAGANISTA continue to spew, lad.

He's a legend in YOUR mind, sport.

Anyone who actually reads history, (or remembers it in many cases) knows that about half the credit given to REAGAN is not only wrong its 100% wrong.

Reagan was a BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG SPENDING, BIG BORROWING, TAX INCREASING Kensyian, Lad.

IF you do not know this?

READ the records, lad.

Was there and seen it. That stuff might work on intellect featherweights like JoeB, Camp and yourself, but for the rest it is pig swill. Stop whining and get a life

 

[JoeB131]

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I "love" when you folks that think communism is such a wonderful thing fall back on the claim that the communist nations that have failed weren't REALLY practicing true communism and therefore don't count! That's SUCH a bullshit excuse!

Guy, where do I ever say communism was "wonderful"?

Please link to the post. I'll wait.

Saying, "Communism didn't do the things you blame it for" is not thinking it's wonderful.

But when Dealing with idiots like you and CrusaderRabbit who think that Herbert Hoover was a Stalinist, you really do have to set down some parameters.

Such as when POLES throw Russians (their historical oppressors) out of their country, it isn't because something called "Communism" failed.

For the record, Communism doesn't work because of something called Human Nature.

And Capitalism doesn't work for pretty much the same reason.

 

[JoeB131]

You mean they saved what they could from the Crazy Clown Casino on Wall Street?

the New Deal was awesome. Guy, you clearly don't know people like my grandparents and parents who lived through that, thought FDR was a great man.

Again, no one is naming things after Coolidge...

Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of American history. Calvin Coolidge was actually a remarkable President...one of my favorites as a matter of fact. The best way to describe him would be as the "anti-Obama". You should read up on the man.

Why would he start reading history now?

I have. He was do-nothing tool of industrialists who blanchely sat by while they turned our entire economy into a house of cards that collapsed...

But let's look at where Historians rate him.

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yup. Every one of them lists him in the bottom half, either the lowest quartile or the second lowest quartile.

As opposed to FDR, who is consistantly rated in the top quarter of presidents. In fact, he's usually rated between 1-3.

(By the way, these same surveys rate Reagan anywhere from top to third quartile...so the whole, But that's just liberals talking doesn't fly.)

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You mean they saved what they could from the Crazy Clown Casino on Wall Street?

the New Deal was awesome. Guy, you clearly don't know people like my grandparents and parents who lived through that, thought FDR was a great man.

Again, no one is naming things after Coolidge...

Crazy Casino? We had not one, but transformational technologies occurring during the 20's: mass production and electrification. Is that what you mean by Crazy casino? All those railroad, energy, and manufacturing companies going gangbusters? Maybe there was 5-10% froth in the DOW, but there was real genuine economic activity behind most of it

 

[JoeB131]

You mean they saved what they could from the Crazy Clown Casino on Wall Street?

the New Deal was awesome. Guy, you clearly don't know people like my grandparents and parents who lived through that, thought FDR was a great man.

Again, no one is naming things after Coolidge...

Crazy Casino? We had not one, but transformational technologies occurring during the 20's: mass production and electrification. Is that what you mean by Crazy casino? All those railroad, energy, and manufacturing companies going gangbusters? Maybe there was 5-10% froth in the DOW, but there was real genuine economic activity behind most of it

But those things had nothing to do with Calvin Coolidge.

What I mean by crazy Casino is what happened in 1929 is the same thing that happened in 2008- stocks were overvalued and the stock market was unregulated, and a lot of wealth disappeared down sinkholes.

Because Coolidge was one of these guys who thinks we can trust the wealthy.

Herbert Hoover, although an awful administrator, had this observation-

"The problem with Capitalism is Capitalists. They're too damned greedy!"

Now, there was a buildup of the middle class that started with Teddy Roosevelt and continued to grow under Woodrow Wilson.

But what really was the game changer leading up to the 1920's was that after WWI, the US went from being an importer to an exporter of manufactured goods. Part of that because we ramped up manufacturing to meet needs for World War I (first supplying the allies and then ourselves) and partially because the Russian Revolution ended Russia's position as the top grain exporter.

(Again, your boy the Tsar exported Russia's wheat to Europe while Russian Peasents starved.... and you wonder why the Commies shot his ass.)

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You mean they saved what they could from the Crazy Clown Casino on Wall Street?

the New Deal was awesome. Guy, you clearly don't know people like my grandparents and parents who lived through that, thought FDR was a great man.

Again, no one is naming things after Coolidge...

Crazy Casino? We had not one, but transformational technologies occurring during the 20's: mass production and electrification. Is that what you mean by Crazy casino? All those railroad, energy, and manufacturing companies going gangbusters? Maybe there was 5-10% froth in the DOW, but there was real genuine economic activity behind most of it

But those things had nothing to do with Calvin Coolidge.

What I mean by crazy Casino is what happened in 1929 is the same thing that happened in 2008- stocks were overvalued and the stock market was unregulated, and a lot of wealth disappeared down sinkholes.

Because Coolidge was one of these guys who thinks we can trust the wealthy.

Herbert Hoover, although an awful administrator, had this observation-

"The problem with Capitalism is Capitalists. They're too damned greedy!"

Now, there was a buildup of the middle class that started with Teddy Roosevelt and continued to grow under Woodrow Wilson.

But what really was the game changer leading up to the 1920's was that after WWI, the US went from being an importer to an exporter of manufactured goods. Part of that because we ramped up manufacturing to meet needs for World War I (first supplying the allies and then ourselves) and partially because the Russian Revolution ended Russia's position as the top grain exporter.

(Again, your boy the Tsar exported Russia's wheat to Europe while Russian Peasents starved.... and you wonder why the Commies shot his ass.)

See Hoover was a proto-FDR I think you're finally understanding why we reject Hoover and embrace Coolodge

 

[thanatos144]

Once again you demonstrate your ignorance of American history. Calvin Coolidge was actually a remarkable President...one of my favorites as a matter of fact. The best way to describe him would be as the "anti-Obama". You should read up on the man.

Why would he start reading history now?

I have. He was do-nothing tool of industrialists who blanchely sat by while they turned our entire economy into a house of cards that collapsed...

But let's look at where Historians rate him.

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yup. Every one of them lists him in the bottom half, either the lowest quartile or the second lowest quartile.

As opposed to FDR, who is consistantly rated in the top quarter of presidents. In fact, he's usually rated between 1-3.

(By the way, these same surveys rate Reagan anywhere from top to third quartile...so the whole, But that's just liberals talking doesn't fly.)

LOL Idiot Reagan pulls us out of a democrat made Recession in under 4 years Were FDR prolonged a depression by 6 years.

 

[bendog]

Please, that's simply partisan. There's nothing to show the entire depression was extended due to the new deal keynesian policies. There is evidence that monopolies were tolerated if unions were alllowed to work within that market, and THAT restrained possible growth. But, with the depression, we're talking worldwide deflation like we've never seen. The countries that recovered first were totally nationalized economies.

That said, the possible OP of the thread is correct, and any actual evaluation of Reagan will not occur for another generation or so, and frankly I doubt Reagan would care one way or another.

 

[thanatos144]

Please, that's simply partisan. There's nothing to show the entire depression was extended due to the new deal keynesian policies. There is evidence that monopolies were tolerated if unions were alllowed to work within that market, and THAT restrained possible growth. But, with the depression, we're talking worldwide deflation like we've never seen. The countries that recovered first were totally nationalized economies.

That said, the possible OP of the thread is correct, and any actual evaluation of Reagan will not occur for another generation or so, and frankly I doubt Reagan would care one way or another.

Only the word of those who crafted the new deal.... Facts are facts.

 

[bendog]

Please, that's simply partisan. There's nothing to show the entire depression was extended due to the new deal keynesian policies. There is evidence that monopolies were tolerated if unions were alllowed to work within that market, and THAT restrained possible growth. But, with the depression, we're talking worldwide deflation like we've never seen. The countries that recovered first were totally nationalized economies.

That said, the possible OP of the thread is correct, and any actual evaluation of Reagan will not occur for another generation or so, and frankly I doubt Reagan would care one way or another.

Only the word of those who crafted the new deal.... Facts are facts.

naw. If you have any academic economic studies tending to show an alteration to the new deal would have somehow altered worldwide deflation, I'd be more than happy to try to understand them. But, I haven't seen any.

 

[Oldstyle]

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I "love" when you folks that think communism is such a wonderful thing fall back on the claim that the communist nations that have failed weren't REALLY practicing true communism and therefore don't count! That's SUCH a bullshit excuse!

Guy, where do I ever say communism was "wonderful"?

Please link to the post. I'll wait.

Saying, "Communism didn't do the things you blame it for" is not thinking it's wonderful.

But when Dealing with idiots like you and CrusaderRabbit who think that Herbert Hoover was a Stalinist, you really do have to set down some parameters.

Such as when POLES throw Russians (their historical oppressors) out of their country, it isn't because something called "Communism" failed.

For the record, Communism doesn't work because of something called Human Nature.

And Capitalism doesn't work for pretty much the same reason.

Gee, Joe...you're actually right about something! It might be a first for you in this string!!! Communism DOESN'T work because of human nature! BINGO!!!!!!!!!

Capitalism on the other hand DOES work because of human nature.

And if you knew the history of Poland you'd know that it had MANY "historical oppressors" of which Russia was just one. Poland's problem is that it always between a rock and a hard place...sandwiched between major powers with no natural barriers to prevent invasion. Poland was invaded by Russian several times but it was also repeatedly attacked by Germany in different guises, attacked by the Turks, attacked by Hungary, even attacked by Sweden. The REASON that Poland was finally able to get out from under Soviet domination was that communism was failing in the USSR. You can't keep others subjugated when your own country is falling apart and make no mistake about it...the Soviet Union was falling apart.

 

[thanatos144]

Please, that's simply partisan. There's nothing to show the entire depression was extended due to the new deal keynesian policies. There is evidence that monopolies were tolerated if unions were alllowed to work within that market, and THAT restrained possible growth. But, with the depression, we're talking worldwide deflation like we've never seen. The countries that recovered first were totally nationalized economies.

That said, the possible OP of the thread is correct, and any actual evaluation of Reagan will not occur for another generation or so, and frankly I doubt Reagan would care one way or another.

Only the word of those who crafted the new deal.... Facts are facts.

naw. If you have any academic economic studies tending to show an alteration to the new deal would have somehow altered worldwide deflation, I'd be more than happy to try to understand them. But, I haven't seen any.

Then you haven't looked have you? They all say that is prolonged the depression by at least 6 years.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Over 1200 posts and for what? Reagan's place as a great American leader is secure. No amount of butt hurt and whining is ever going to change that.

Get over it, that bird has flown. You need to start looking for excuses for Obama now. That would be more difficult than trying to effect even Reagan's legacy, and far more contemporary.

If these facts below about Reagan make you a great american leader,

Liar
•Thief
•Mass murderer
•Supporter of abortion
•War criminal
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•Destroyer of freedom
•Traitor of the American people
•Corporate whore
•Destroyer of the environment
•Supporter of Satanists & child murderers


then I hate to think what your opinion of Hitler is.

you reaganuts trolls are the ones doing the whining.you call people names everytime people bring up his atrocities and whine and cry in defeat making up lies when you are countered with facts you all cant refute. Hate to break your heart but this IS the history section.

if you cant handle the truth that you have been brainwashed by the CIA controlled media that reagan was evil and corrupt,then leave,its that simple. those facts above is what Reagans TRUE legacy is,get over it and stop whining about the truth being posted resorting to lies when you are cornered with facts you cant refute.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

No, hun. I'm well aware of how FDR thought that only the government was capable of building anything. Why do you think the economy sucked so badly for 7 whole years?

Hun? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Too much listening to Glenn Beck damages the brain....

Yep the reaganuts have been taken in by the likes of CIA controlled media mouthpieces full of propaganda such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh alright.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Central Planning? OMG!!! THe HORROR of it all!

Seriously, dude?

I'm starting to wonder what kind of crazy you are.

I don't know the depth of your ignorance, it may be a Laurentian Abyss, but it's clear you don't know anything about Hoover, Coolidge or FDR

Guy, so according to you, not only are all the history books wrong, but apparently, so were the people who lived through that time period.

People who voted in FDR FOUR TIMES, but threw out Hoover at the first oppurtunity.

Coolidge. Also really considered a moron.

I love the hypocrisy of Crusader Retard in the fact that its clear HE doesnt know anything about the true facts of Reagan.

apparently Crusader Retard thinks all the people that reported back then in the 80's of actual LIVE NEWS BROADCASTS that I posted videos of at LEAST twice and got no comment from trolls like him,according to Crusader Retard,all those people reporting in the media the facts how Reagans policys betrayed the lower and middle class familys,all of them are all wrong and all the newspaper articles published back then are wrong as well and HE and his INTERNET links,are correct.what a fucking idiot.


He would be laughed out of a debating hall in a minute with his logic he uses.

 

[JoeB131]

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See Hoover was a proto-FDR I think you're finally understanding why we reject Hoover and embrace Coolodge

Yeah, it was obvious to all but the most retarded plutocrat what Coolidge did wasn't working.

It's why most historians rate Coolidge down towards the bottom.

 

[JoeB131]

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Gee, Joe...you're actually right about something! It might be a first for you in this string!!! Communism DOESN'T work because of human nature! BINGO!!!!!!!!!

Capitalism on the other hand DOES work because of human nature.

No, it doesn't work because of human nature, because greed makes people stupid.

In case you were asleep during the whole 2008 thing where EVERYONE was warning we were headed off the cliff, but so many people were making so much money.

Until it crashed.

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And if you knew the history of Poland you'd know that it had MANY "historical oppressors" of which Russia was just one. Poland's problem is that it always between a rock and a hard place...sandwiched between major powers with no natural barriers to prevent invasion. Poland was invaded by Russian several times but it was also repeatedly attacked by Germany in different guises, attacked by the Turks, attacked by Hungary, even attacked by Sweden. The REASON that Poland was finally able to get out from under Soviet domination was that communism was failing in the USSR. You can't keep others subjugated when your own country is falling apart and make no mistake about it...the Soviet Union was falling apart.

Which again- nothing to do with Communism.

Your arguments are getting circular, guy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

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See Hoover was a proto-FDR I think you're finally understanding why we reject Hoover and embrace Coolodge

Yeah, it was obvious to all but the most retarded plutocrat what Coolidge did wasn't working.

It's why most historians rate Coolidge down towards the bottom.

Coolidge inherited an economy with 18% unemployment and brought it down to 4% in 2 years. By the end of Coolidge second term you could not find an unemployed person in America.

FDR oversaw the worst economy since the 7 Biblical Lean Years with unemployment averaging 20% over his first 2 terms.

Which one of these 2 President has a Great economic record?