Recipes, Not Rockets: Cookbook Offers New Lens On Gaza

[irosie91]

my point was that you can show cooking style and foods and ethnic cuisines ...without all of the propaganda.

you did a good job----far more elegant than my approach

 

[Coyote]

LOL hummus the "TRADITIONAL PALESTINIAN WAY"

sorry I missed it for so long----I was making hummus---the traditional
USA EAST COAST WAY-----I do it in a traditional food processor

chick peas ---mashed, boiled, roasted, ground up------have been
a staple of the entire mediterranean area for THOUSANDS AND
THOUSANDS OF YEARS------the Greeks and the Romans all but lived
on it------the ITALIANs did not have CORN POLENTA until -----
after the corn was imported from the americas. ------when their
spaghetti saw its first tomato sauce----before that it was HUMMUS
all day---and late into the evening


maybe sherri can tell us when the TRADITIONAL PALESTINIAN
HUMMUS came to be-------did HERODOTUS claim it to be
an ARABIAN FOOD?

Even Ashkenazi jews do chick peas-----but ---only RECENTLY
Hummus------chick peas is BUPKES

Chick peas and hummus are traditional to a variety of cultures but they have regional variations. I don't understand why you feel such a need to diminish anything distinctive to the Palestinians.

Sherri has not even posted in this thread. Why do you need to drag her into it? Perhaps we can simply enjoy a nice discussion of cuisine?

 

[Coyote]

I think you need to look at what's written as well as the video. Many cookbooks combine receipes with history, culture, even politics. It's looking at both the Palestinian cuisine and the impact of the embargo and fishing restrictions on it.

There is little doubt that the embargo effects ingredient availability and variety and it is well documented that the fishing restrictions have severely impacted them.

Either way the book sounds interesting

Lots of propagandaist books are interesting------and always have that element
of mendacity and ---and are slightly nauseating

someone should write a cookbook on the effects that the comprehensive
boycott of Israel by the ummah ---designed to induce a STARVATION SIEGE
had on Israeli cuisine------It is a far more fascinating subject---
a miracle of PUBLIC HEALTH INTERVENTION. What do you think Coyote?
Should such a book be just as disgustingly propagandaist as the piece of
crap cited in this thread? Just the issue of government subsidized bread
is an interesting phenomenon-----and how many people depended on it for
survival in those years----a very interesting factoid----they made the DARK '
bread cheaper to encourage its consumption (the stuff for which we pay
a premium in the USA)

If it is relevant and interesting, why not?

There was a lot written about the seige of Leningrad, and it's deprivations. BBC did an interesting series on living in certain eras where a family would inhabit a house and life style of an era, such as 1930's house. One of them was WW2 Britain and the family had to cope with a cuisine under rationing, intermittent air raid warnings where they'd huddle in a shelter.

You know - not to different from Israel and Palestine civilians.

Do you think exploring all that is propaganda?

 

[irosie91]

I think you need to look at what's written as well as the video. Many cookbooks combine receipes with history, culture, even politics. It's looking at both the Palestinian cuisine and the impact of the embargo and fishing restrictions on it.

There is little doubt that the embargo effects ingredient availability and variety and it is well documented that the fishing restrictions have severely impacted them.

Either way the book sounds interesting

Lots of propagandaist books are interesting------and always have that element
of mendacity and ---and are slightly nauseating

someone should write a cookbook on the effects that the comprehensive
boycott of Israel by the ummah ---designed to induce a STARVATION SIEGE
had on Israeli cuisine------It is a far more fascinating subject---
a miracle of PUBLIC HEALTH INTERVENTION. What do you think Coyote?
Should such a book be just as disgustingly propagandaist as the piece of
crap cited in this thread? Just the issue of government subsidized bread
is an interesting phenomenon-----and how many people depended on it for
survival in those years----a very interesting factoid----they made the DARK '
bread cheaper to encourage its consumption (the stuff for which we pay
a premium in the USA)

If it is relevant and interesting, why not?

There was a lot written about the seige of Leningrad, and it's deprivations. BBC did an interesting series on living in certain eras where a family would inhabit a house and life style of an era, such as 1930's house. One of them was WW2 Britain and the family had to cope with a cuisine under rationing, intermittent air raid warnings where they'd huddle in a shelter.

You know - not to different from Israel and Palestine civilians.

Do you think exploring all that is propaganda?

Exploring it is not propaganda-----presenting it in a mendacious manner
as it was presented in the video ----is. Mendacious in two dimensions---
one as a means of supporting the MANY THOUSAND YEAR OLD "PALESTINIAN"
CULTURE of arab muslims living in palesine----and the other as support of the
myth of starvation in Gaza. A real "exploration" of the starvation myth----
would include evaluations of the nutritional status of PRE 1967 Gazans
with post 1967 gazans----and comparison of that situation with pre 1948
arab muslims living in palestine and arab muslims living in gaza post 1948.
Throw in a control group of a similar population----lets say ---country side
egyptians----then you have a real field study. That some gazan complains
of a shortage of OLIVE OIL----really does not do it for me. I never buy
olive oil----it is too damned expensive and it tends to get rancid more
easily than does canola oil ----btw----UN food aid includes OIL
Cry me a river that it is not OLIVE OIL

I have seen saudis in the US ---victims of obvious childhood malnutrition--
but never a gazan---unless he lived there pre 1967

Most gazans are not 6 ' tall? duhhhhhhh
Lots of gazans show up ANEMIC? guess what----anemia
is EXTREMELY COMMON thruout the mediterranean area because
there are forms of anemia that are protective against MALARIA

anemia is extremely common in black children in the USA---guess
why----lots of sub-saharans harbor verious foms of physiological
anemia but lets pretend it is ALL LEAD POISONING -for political
reasons

 

[Coyote]

Lots of propagandaist books are interesting------and always have that element
of mendacity and ---and are slightly nauseating

someone should write a cookbook on the effects that the comprehensive
boycott of Israel by the ummah ---designed to induce a STARVATION SIEGE
had on Israeli cuisine------It is a far more fascinating subject---
a miracle of PUBLIC HEALTH INTERVENTION. What do you think Coyote?
Should such a book be just as disgustingly propagandaist as the piece of
crap cited in this thread? Just the issue of government subsidized bread
is an interesting phenomenon-----and how many people depended on it for
survival in those years----a very interesting factoid----they made the DARK '
bread cheaper to encourage its consumption (the stuff for which we pay
a premium in the USA)

If it is relevant and interesting, why not?

There was a lot written about the seige of Leningrad, and it's deprivations. BBC did an interesting series on living in certain eras where a family would inhabit a house and life style of an era, such as 1930's house. One of them was WW2 Britain and the family had to cope with a cuisine under rationing, intermittent air raid warnings where they'd huddle in a shelter.

You know - not to different from Israel and Palestine civilians.

Do you think exploring all that is propaganda?

Exploring it is not propaganda-----presenting it in a mendacious manner
as it was presented in the video ----is. Mendacious in two dimensions---
one as a means of supporting the MANY THOUSAND YEAR OLD "PALESTINIAN"
CULTURE of arab muslims living in palesine----and the other as support of the
myth of starvation in Gaza. A real "exploration" of the starvation myth----
would include evaluations of the nutritional status of PRE 1967 Gazans
with post 1967 gazans----and comparison of that situation with pre 1948
arab muslims living in palestine and arab muslims living in gaza post 1948.
Throw in a control group of a similar population----lets say ---country side
egyptians----then you have a real field study. That some gazan complains
of a shortage of OLIVE OIL----really does not do it for me. I never buy
olive oil----it is too damned expensive and it tends to get rancid more
easily than does canola oil ----btw----UN food aid includes OIL
Cry me a river that it is not OLIVE OIL

I have seen saudis in the US ---victims of obvious childhood malnutrition--
but never a gazan---unless he lived there pre 1967

Most gazans are not 6 ' tall? duhhhhhhh
Lots of gazans show up ANEMIC? guess what----anemia
is EXTREMELY COMMON thruout the mediterranean area because
there are forms of anemia that are protective against MALARIA

anemia is extremely common in black children in the USA---guess
why----lots of sub-saharans harbor verious foms of physiological
anemia but lets pretend it is ALL LEAD POISONING -for political
reasons

You are putting a whole lot of very subjective information there that is disputable becuase it comes from "your own observations" which are unproveable.

The book is not claiming a starvation situation for one, simply one of shortages and working around them. It is not and is not claiming to be any sort of scientific study. So give it a rest.

 

[irosie91]

If it is relevant and interesting, why not?

There was a lot written about the seige of Leningrad, and it's deprivations. BBC did an interesting series on living in certain eras where a family would inhabit a house and life style of an era, such as 1930's house. One of them was WW2 Britain and the family had to cope with a cuisine under rationing, intermittent air raid warnings where they'd huddle in a shelter.

You know - not to different from Israel and Palestine civilians.

Do you think exploring all that is propaganda?

Exploring it is not propaganda-----presenting it in a mendacious manner
as it was presented in the video ----is. Mendacious in two dimensions---
one as a means of supporting the MANY THOUSAND YEAR OLD "PALESTINIAN"
CULTURE of arab muslims living in palesine----and the other as support of the
myth of starvation in Gaza. A real "exploration" of the starvation myth----
would include evaluations of the nutritional status of PRE 1967 Gazans
with post 1967 gazans----and comparison of that situation with pre 1948
arab muslims living in palestine and arab muslims living in gaza post 1948.
Throw in a control group of a similar population----lets say ---country side
egyptians----then you have a real field study. That some gazan complains
of a shortage of OLIVE OIL----really does not do it for me. I never buy
olive oil----it is too damned expensive and it tends to get rancid more
easily than does canola oil ----btw----UN food aid includes OIL
Cry me a river that it is not OLIVE OIL

I have seen saudis in the US ---victims of obvious childhood malnutrition--
but never a gazan---unless he lived there pre 1967

Most gazans are not 6 ' tall? duhhhhhhh
Lots of gazans show up ANEMIC? guess what----anemia
is EXTREMELY COMMON thruout the mediterranean area because
there are forms of anemia that are protective against MALARIA
anemia is extremely common in black children in the USA---guess
why----lots of sub-saharans harbor verious foms of physiological
anemia but lets pretend it is ALL LEAD POISONING -for political
reasons

You are putting a whole lot of very subjective information there that is disputable becuase it comes from "your own observations" which are unproveable.


The book is not claiming a starvation situation for one, simply one of shortages and working around them. It is not and is not claiming to be any sort of scientific study. So give it a rest.

wrong again----it is part and parcel of the myth of starvation in Gaza---I am
in no mood to PROVE to you----realities of the forms of anemia
prevalent in the Mediterean area which are PREVALENT because
they are protective against malaria or the ----REAL and ACTUAL
CBC's of subsahran blacks------play your propaganda games....
If you ever run into a first year medical student ----ask him about various
HEREDITARY hemoglobinopathies in persons in the mediterranean
area that islamo nazi exploit is PROOF OF OPPRESSION of "palestinians"
Propagandaist pigs do not have to CLAIM SCIENTIFIC study to impress
those who WANT to believe their filth

 

[Hossfly]

When you think about the Gaza Strip, do you think "organic farming"? How about "family dairy"? Would you expect California pistachios to flavor made-in-Gaza baklava? Have you heard that Hamas has a 10-year plan to develop sustainable local agriculture?

A new cookbook, The Gaza Kitchen, weaves little-known stories of Gaza food and farming among Palestinian home-cooking recipes. It highlights flavors particular to Gaza — both the crowded, skinny, famous strip of land pinned between Egypt, Israel and the Mediterranean, and the more extensive, southeastern Gaza District of historic Palestine that existed before the first major Arab-Israeli war in 1948.

NPR.org » Recipes, Not Rockets: Cookbook Offers New Lens On Gaza

yeah, Hamass, farmers..........

too bad they're not known for that, (farmer farooq) instead, they're "world known terrorists."

You spend too much time with your face in Israeli propaganda.

Actually Member appears to be quite aware of what is going on in the world today, Tinnie, when it comes to Muslim terrorists, a fact that you don't want people to be aware of.

 

[Hossfly]

"You spend too much time with your face in Israeli propaganda."

what's propaganda. Please, lets not play games here. Aren't we too old for that...it's too stupid and immature and a waste of time.


so, what's propaganda ? "HamasS" being labeled a 'terrorist organization" ??

It is.

Define terrorism.

Tinmore, you answer the first statement with a perfectly sober "It is.", then go on with your perfectly silly ass games.

 

[Coyote]

Exploring it is not propaganda-----presenting it in a mendacious manner
as it was presented in the video ----is. Mendacious in two dimensions---
one as a means of supporting the MANY THOUSAND YEAR OLD "PALESTINIAN"
CULTURE of arab muslims living in palesine----and the other as support of the
myth of starvation in Gaza. A real "exploration" of the starvation myth----
would include evaluations of the nutritional status of PRE 1967 Gazans
with post 1967 gazans----and comparison of that situation with pre 1948
arab muslims living in palestine and arab muslims living in gaza post 1948.
Throw in a control group of a similar population----lets say ---country side
egyptians----then you have a real field study. That some gazan complains
of a shortage of OLIVE OIL----really does not do it for me. I never buy
olive oil----it is too damned expensive and it tends to get rancid more
easily than does canola oil ----btw----UN food aid includes OIL
Cry me a river that it is not OLIVE OIL

I have seen saudis in the US ---victims of obvious childhood malnutrition--
but never a gazan---unless he lived there pre 1967

Most gazans are not 6 ' tall? duhhhhhhh
Lots of gazans show up ANEMIC? guess what----anemia
is EXTREMELY COMMON thruout the mediterranean area because
there are forms of anemia that are protective against MALARIA
anemia is extremely common in black children in the USA---guess
why----lots of sub-saharans harbor verious foms of physiological
anemia but lets pretend it is ALL LEAD POISONING -for political
reasons

You are putting a whole lot of very subjective information there that is disputable becuase it comes from "your own observations" which are unproveable.


The book is not claiming a starvation situation for one, simply one of shortages and working around them. It is not and is not claiming to be any sort of scientific study. So give it a rest.

wrong again----it is part and parcel of the myth of starvation in Gaza---I am
in no mood to PROVE to you----realities of the forms of anemia
prevalent in the Mediterean area which are PREVALENT because
they are protective against malaria or the ----REAL and ACTUAL
CBC's of subsahran blacks------play your propaganda games....
If you ever run into a first year medical student ----ask him about various
HEREDITARY hemoglobinopathies in persons in the mediterranean
area that islamo nazi exploit is PROOF OF OPPRESSION of "palestinians"
Propagandaist pigs do not have to CLAIM SCIENTIFIC study to impress
those who WANT to believe their filth

Rosie, I agree with you about heridatory anemias.

That's science.

But I would ask of you, the same thing I've asked of others when it comes to some of Lipush's pleasant threads on culture - can you not respect this thread and keep it a nice commentary on cuisine rather than turn it vile? Sometimes, in this cesspool of I/P - it is nice to have a few threads that do not turn contentious.

I'm appealing to your better nature

 

[Coyote]

Musakhan makes me hungry...

chicken


pine nuts



Taboon Bread - a regional flat bread


I've never made this but I'd like to try it

 

[syrenn]

You are putting a whole lot of very subjective information there that is disputable becuase it comes from "your own observations" which are unproveable.


The book is not claiming a starvation situation for one, simply one of shortages and working around them. It is not and is not claiming to be any sort of scientific study. So give it a rest.

wrong again----it is part and parcel of the myth of starvation in Gaza---I am
in no mood to PROVE to you----realities of the forms of anemia
prevalent in the Mediterean area which are PREVALENT because
they are protective against malaria or the ----REAL and ACTUAL
CBC's of subsahran blacks------play your propaganda games....
If you ever run into a first year medical student ----ask him about various
HEREDITARY hemoglobinopathies in persons in the mediterranean
area that islamo nazi exploit is PROOF OF OPPRESSION of "palestinians"
Propagandaist pigs do not have to CLAIM SCIENTIFIC study to impress
those who WANT to believe their filth

Rosie, I agree with you about heridatory anemias.

That's science.

But I would ask of you, the same thing I've asked of others when it comes to some of Lipush's pleasant threads on culture - can you not respect this thread and keep it a nice commentary on cuisine rather than turn it vile? Sometimes, in this cesspool of I/P - it is nice to have a few threads that do not turn contentious.

I'm appealing to your better nature

try moving it to food and wine.

 

[Coyote]

wrong again----it is part and parcel of the myth of starvation in Gaza---I am
in no mood to PROVE to you----realities of the forms of anemia
prevalent in the Mediterean area which are PREVALENT because
they are protective against malaria or the ----REAL and ACTUAL
CBC's of subsahran blacks------play your propaganda games....
If you ever run into a first year medical student ----ask him about various
HEREDITARY hemoglobinopathies in persons in the mediterranean
area that islamo nazi exploit is PROOF OF OPPRESSION of "palestinians"
Propagandaist pigs do not have to CLAIM SCIENTIFIC study to impress
those who WANT to believe their filth

Rosie, I agree with you about heridatory anemias.

That's science.

But I would ask of you, the same thing I've asked of others when it comes to some of Lipush's pleasant threads on culture - can you not respect this thread and keep it a nice commentary on cuisine rather than turn it vile? Sometimes, in this cesspool of I/P - it is nice to have a few threads that do not turn contentious.

I'm appealing to your better nature

try moving it to food and wine.

I could..but there are other threads here that are allowed to remain dealing with culture, with memorial, etc that we allow to remain "clean'.

Why not this one?

 

[syrenn]

Rosie, I agree with you about heridatory anemias.

That's science.

But I would ask of you, the same thing I've asked of others when it comes to some of Lipush's pleasant threads on culture - can you not respect this thread and keep it a nice commentary on cuisine rather than turn it vile? Sometimes, in this cesspool of I/P - it is nice to have a few threads that do not turn contentious.

I'm appealing to your better nature

try moving it to food and wine.

I could..but there are other threads here that are allowed to remain dealing with culture, with memorial, etc that we allow to remain "clean'.

Why not this one?

because this book IS more propaganda then food. It is not "clean" in and of itself... so you cant separate them. leaving this in IP leaves it open for discussion on the propaganda...

The video for the salad was 10:30 mins of propaganda and 2 mins of how to make the salad.

I LIKE talking about foods of other cultures. I do not like discussing food that has a political bend.

 

[tinydancer]

Oh the link won't open for me. Pity because I adore ME cooking.

*sigh* only real drag on where I live now. I have to mail order or beg my kids to ship me in Mr. Goudas. Best spices on the planet. No guff.

Fresh and killer. Rarely do I miss Toronto; but truly for the foods of the world, the peoples of the world, what a fabulous city.

 

[irosie91]

Mr Goudas? no Indians up there? ----I live near a large enclave of
southeast asians and get my spices by the pound----lucky me

 

[tinydancer]

Mr Goudas? no Indians up there? ----I live near a large enclave of
southeast asians and get my spices by the pound----lucky me

My Indians are wonderous First Nations. I can cook you bannock in a heartbeat ; the rest of the show in populace is mainly a Ukrainian / Iceland mix...I know it's weird but that's our province.

I'm Ukrainian/Irish so I fit in. The whole nordic deal is awesome though. North of Winnipeg most popular name for a male child is Sven. South is Walter.

Back to cooking.

I got MAE PLOY the other day. Driver brought it in for my husband. I haven't tried this green one yet.

Its been many a year and I do love having my new neighbor being a grey owl but sometimes I do miss being able to go around a corner and grab a roti. Toronto is a really cool city that way.

 

[irosie91]

DAMN!!!! I thought myself CUISINE LITERATE----and I had to google
BOTH "bannock" and "mae ploy"-------I will try to survive this
humiliation

 

[tinydancer]

DAMN!!!! I thought myself CUISINE LITERATE----and I had to google
BOTH "bannock" and "mae ploy"-------I will try to survive this
humiliation

No humiliation. Worst is I'm for real; I love to cook countries I hope that makes sense. When you immerse and embrace yourself in the food you can become the people you wish to know but can't travel to.

Sometimes you can't get ingredients (for years I could never get andouille up here) so to make an authentic cajun dish required syringes and remaking a plain old hot Italian sausage.

Worth it in the end.

 

[irosie91]

sheeesh -----a CONVERTED SAUSAGE ------I am DAMN IMPRESSED

 

[tinydancer]

sheeesh -----a CONVERTED SAUSAGE ------I am DAMN IMPRESSED

I've been infusing for a lot of years. Man you can entirely jake a plate that way.

Or like I said finally get an authentic flavor without having the proper ingredient.

Basically you make your own. Andouille is the perfect example.

I only have just got it up here now. So for a decade plus I've been making it on my own from having been in Louisiana on so many trips and remembering the flavor and recreating it.