Reforming Islam

Could not the same be said of the teachings of Jesus? Was he, in any way at all, wrong?

Jesus was NOT wrong according to muslims but the REAL JESUS is not known thru
the "NEW TESTAMENT" ---because EVIL ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM wrote
the new testament in their EVIL DESIGN TO DESTROY ISLAAAAAAM
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
 
The quran is the immutable word of allah, thus it cannot be changed. Any reforms would simply mean all Muslims adhering to it, and to sharia, to the letter. Hence wahabiism as the reformation.
Reform means change, not strict adherence.
In terms of religion, reform normally means getting rid of developments that have diverged from the religions beginnings, ie getting rid of sales of indulgences, getting rid of practices that are an abuse, ie, going back to the roots.

Big mistake-------I would like to INVEST in ----"indulgences"
 
The quran is the immutable word of allah, thus it cannot be changed. Any reforms would simply mean all Muslims adhering to it, and to sharia, to the letter. Hence wahabiism as the reformation.
Reform means change, not strict adherence.
In terms of religion, reform normally means getting rid of developments that have diverged from the religions beginnings, ie getting rid of sales of indulgences, getting rid of practices that are an abuse, ie, going back to the roots.
Reform, to normal people, means that bad gets better, not worse, and goes forward, not backwards.
 
Jesus was NOT wrong according to muslims but the REAL JESUS is not known thru
the "NEW TESTAMENT" ---because EVIL ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM wrote
the new testament in their EVIL DESIGN TO DESTROY ISLAAAAAAM
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place and hard to align.

when did he kill innocent pigs? I have no recollection of this unfortunate
episode? ----the fig tree did not mind------fig trees always manage a STIFF UPPER LIP
 
Jesus was NOT wrong according to muslims but the REAL JESUS is not known thru
the "NEW TESTAMENT" ---because EVIL ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM wrote
the new testament in their EVIL DESIGN TO DESTROY ISLAAAAAAM
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
Wow. What a bad boy. Lol.
 
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place and hard to align.

when did he kill innocent pigs? I have no recollection of this unfortunate
episode? ----the fig tree did not mind------fig trees always manage a STIFF UPPER LIP
Fig were out of season, and he caused the pigs to drown after purging demons from humans and putting them into the poor piggies.

Matthew 8:30–34

30 Now a herd of many pigs was feeding at some distance from them. 31 And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.” 32 And he said to them, “Go.” So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters. 33 The herdsmen fled, and going into the city they told everything, especially what had happened to the tdemon-possessed men. 34 And behold, all the city came out to meet Jesus, and when they saw him, uthey begged him to leave their region.
 
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
Wow. What a bad boy. Lol.
He has his good and bad days, like all boys.
 
The quran is the immutable word of allah, thus it cannot be changed. Any reforms would simply mean all Muslims adhering to it, and to sharia, to the letter. Hence wahabiism as the reformation.
Reform means change, not strict adherence.
In terms of religion, reform normally means getting rid of developments that have diverged from the religions beginnings, ie getting rid of sales of indulgences, getting rid of practices that are an abuse, ie, going back to the roots.
Reform, to normal people, means that bad gets better, not worse, and goes forward, not backwards.
Islam isn't normal. Going back to its roots would be a disaster. Thank goodness not all muslims are devout.
 
The quran is the immutable word of allah, thus it cannot be changed. Any reforms would simply mean all Muslims adhering to it, and to sharia, to the letter. Hence wahabiism as the reformation.
Reform means change, not strict adherence.
In terms of religion, reform normally means getting rid of developments that have diverged from the religions beginnings, ie getting rid of sales of indulgences, getting rid of practices that are an abuse, ie, going back to the roots.
Reform, to normal people, means that bad gets better, not worse, and goes forward, not backwards.
Islam isn't normal. Going back to its roots would be a disaster. Thank goodness not all muslims are devout.
So, you like Liberal Muslims then? Got it.
 
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place and hard to align.

when did he kill innocent pigs? I have no recollection of this unfortunate
episode? ----the fig tree did not mind------fig trees always manage a STIFF UPPER LIP
Fig were out of season, and he caused the pigs to drown after purging demons from humans and putting them into the poor piggies.

Matthew 8:30–34

30 Now a herd of many pigs was feeding at some distance from them. 31 And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.” 32 And he said to them, “Go.” So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters. 33 The herdsmen fled, and going into the city they told everything, especially what had happened to the tdemon-possessed men. 34 And behold, all the city came out to meet Jesus, and when they saw him, uthey begged him to leave their region.
So it wasn't 'for no reason' as you stated earlier. Is this the best you can do? Would you like to compare Jesus' worst behaviour with that of muhammeds? Lol.
 
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
Wow. What a bad boy. Lol.
He has his good and bad days, like all boys.
Looks like Jesus' worst days were far better than muhammeds best. Thanks for that :)
 
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place and hard to align.

when did he kill innocent pigs? I have no recollection of this unfortunate
episode? ----the fig tree did not mind------fig trees always manage a STIFF UPPER LIP
Fig were out of season, and he caused the pigs to drown after purging demons from humans and putting them into the poor piggies.

Matthew 8:30–34

30 Now a herd of many pigs was feeding at some distance from them. 31 And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.” 32 And he said to them, “Go.” So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters. 33 The herdsmen fled, and going into the city they told everything, especially what had happened to the tdemon-possessed men. 34 And behold, all the city came out to meet Jesus, and when they saw him, uthey begged him to leave their region.
So it wasn't 'for no reason' as you stated earlier. Is this the best you can do? Would you like to compare Jesus' worst behaviour with that of muhammeds? Lol.
The reason was invalid, just as it was for the fig tree. And Jesus was a pacifist, Muhammad was a warrior. Not easy to compare.
 
Interesting question posed by the thread.

I've been wondering the same, but along a different tangent, not 'what', but rather 'how' to change it, as I am not aware of a central authority that could actually change anything.

The Catholic Church, for example, has the papacy. For all of it's foibles and how unbelievably slow it is to accept change, at least there is some means of talking sense to people. I don't see that with Islam, which leaves it wide open to these hijackings by nutbags that are just looking for some text in a book to justify their madness.
 
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
Wow. What a bad boy. Lol.
He has his good and bad days, like all boys.
Looks like Jesus' worst days were far better than muhammeds best. Thanks for that :)
So you're a fan of the "lesser evil" then? How very liberal of you.
 
Jesus was NOT wrong according to muslims but the REAL JESUS is not known thru
the "NEW TESTAMENT" ---because EVIL ENEMEEEEES OF ISLAAAAAM wrote
the new testament in their EVIL DESIGN TO DESTROY ISLAAAAAAM
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
Cursing a fig tree? Lol. How unbearable.
Jesus gave reasons for all of those actions. If you consider these as 'wrongs', what on earth must you think of muhammed? Lol@preciouspantyhose.
 
Interesting question posed by the thread.

I've been wondering the same, but along a different tangent, not 'what', but rather 'how' to change it, as I am not aware of a central authority that could actually change anything.

The Catholic Church, for example, has the papacy. For all of it's foibles and how unbelievably slow it is to accept change, at least there is some means of talking sense to people. I don't see that with Islam, which leaves it wide open to these hijackings by nutbags that are just looking for some text in a book to justify their madness.
You might want to work on the "what" part, since that comes first.
 
Please answer the question: Was Jesus, in any way, wrong?
What do you think?
A Christian would most likely say no, that Jesus was perfect. That is the dogma, like Sunni Man's.
Can you provide some examples of JEsus being 'wrong' as per your question.
Several. He had a bad temper including cursing a fig tree, killing pigs for no reason, disrupting Temple, rejecting his family, breaking the Sabbath, etc., And he was known as a lush and his teachings are all over the damn place therefore hard to align.
Cursing a fig tree? Lol. How unbearable.
Jesus gave reasons for all of those actions. If you consider these as 'wrongs', what on earth must you think of muhammed? Lol@preciouspantyhose.
I consider him the Founder of Islam, and a warrior. Like Moses, and Jesus, just a man.
 

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