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Refugees for Dummies

When I was in the Mariens I deployed multiple times to East Africa, the Middle East, and South West and South East Asia. I've busted into houses where Irqis and Afghanis were rapeing little boys and trust me, Somalia is the crown jewel of Muslim rape. Because there is an absence of law rape is normalized in Somalia even among the average joes. Just as it is in Afghanistan where security forces (ANA and ANP) regularly rape chai boys. It's been going on for thousands of years. Rape and violence is a way of life in these countries.

We should stop taking all refugees. We are letting steam out of the kettle when it should be exploding into US backed revolution.

There is the absence of any law in Somalia, it's a wretched country, but then all refugees are fleeing wretched countries. For some reason, the Somali immigrant communities are under attack by this administration.

Trump's statements about Somali immigrants in Maine draw rebuke - The Portland Press Herald
There are about 12,500 immigrants from seven east African countries, including Somalia, now living in Maine, according to the Immigrant Resource Center of Maine. Maine’s largest Somali populations are in Portland and Lewiston, LePage’s hometown.


On Friday, Lewiston’s acting police chief, Brian O’Malley, said there was no correlation between Somali immigration and increased crime, and if anything, the opposite is true.


When asked if crime was up because of Somali immigrants, O’Malley said. “Not in Lewiston. Our crime rate has gone down. We have not seen any increase in crime due to the Somali immigrants.”


He said that since Somali immigrants began arriving in Lewiston in the 1990s, the city’s crime rate has steadily decreased. Meanwhile, overall crime rates are down across the state and across the nation, O’Malley said.

Domestic violence often kept hidden by Maine immigrants, refugees - The Portland Press Herald

That's why.

I don't think that's "why" - the article tackles domestic abuse, within the family/community - a very real issue in many immigrant communities, but not necessarily related to overall violent crime rates (which have gone down) - despite the repeated claim that immigrants raise crime rates. And that is not to say it should be ignored, it needs to be addressed - but it's not unique to that one community.

From your article:
Portland Deputy Police Chief Vernon Malloch said his officers have seen the same thing, and he believes some of it might be generational.

“Sometimes what we see as a default is to go back to tribal mechanisms to solve problems,” he said. “So rather than go to police or through the criminal justice system, they handle it internally. I think that will lessen with the next generation.”

General mistrust of police is common among newly arrived immigrants, who may have experienced violence at the hands of police in their home countries.

“When we say ‘Go to police,’ some have seen family members killed by police or sexually assaulted,” Perry said.

Domestic violence advocates see Kubeloso’s death as an opportunity to examine ways to reach immigrants or refugees.

Morrison, however, worries that her death might provide fodder for anti-immigrant groups.

“There are still plenty of people who are not happy that immigrants have come here,” Morrison said. “So they’ll use this as an opportunity to say, ‘That’s how they do.’ But that’s unfair. No race or culture or group is immune.”

Domestic abuse is violent crime. There is no explaining that away. Furthermore, when they commit crimes in front of other Somalis they are less likely to report or cooperate with police. This is not a new phenominon among both native born and migrant minorities.

But is it higher in those communities then in others? Domestic abuse occurs in all communities and the reason's are complex. For example, Native American women have among the highest rates of rape and assault. Black women also have high rates, and again - for complex reasons: Why Black Women Struggle More With Domestic Violence.

All true. Both those groups commit higher domestic violence than the national average. That does not mean we import more people who are commiting violent crime higher than the national average. We owe it to American citizens to make America safer, not more violent. We should be moving forward, not backwards.
 
There is the absence of any law in Somalia, it's a wretched country, but then all refugees are fleeing wretched countries. For some reason, the Somali immigrant communities are under attack by this administration.

Trump's statements about Somali immigrants in Maine draw rebuke - The Portland Press Herald
There are about 12,500 immigrants from seven east African countries, including Somalia, now living in Maine, according to the Immigrant Resource Center of Maine. Maine’s largest Somali populations are in Portland and Lewiston, LePage’s hometown.


On Friday, Lewiston’s acting police chief, Brian O’Malley, said there was no correlation between Somali immigration and increased crime, and if anything, the opposite is true.


When asked if crime was up because of Somali immigrants, O’Malley said. “Not in Lewiston. Our crime rate has gone down. We have not seen any increase in crime due to the Somali immigrants.”


He said that since Somali immigrants began arriving in Lewiston in the 1990s, the city’s crime rate has steadily decreased. Meanwhile, overall crime rates are down across the state and across the nation, O’Malley said.

Domestic violence often kept hidden by Maine immigrants, refugees - The Portland Press Herald

That's why.

I don't think that's "why" - the article tackles domestic abuse, within the family/community - a very real issue in many immigrant communities, but not necessarily related to overall violent crime rates (which have gone down) - despite the repeated claim that immigrants raise crime rates. And that is not to say it should be ignored, it needs to be addressed - but it's not unique to that one community.

From your article:
Portland Deputy Police Chief Vernon Malloch said his officers have seen the same thing, and he believes some of it might be generational.

“Sometimes what we see as a default is to go back to tribal mechanisms to solve problems,” he said. “So rather than go to police or through the criminal justice system, they handle it internally. I think that will lessen with the next generation.”

General mistrust of police is common among newly arrived immigrants, who may have experienced violence at the hands of police in their home countries.

“When we say ‘Go to police,’ some have seen family members killed by police or sexually assaulted,” Perry said.

Domestic violence advocates see Kubeloso’s death as an opportunity to examine ways to reach immigrants or refugees.

Morrison, however, worries that her death might provide fodder for anti-immigrant groups.

“There are still plenty of people who are not happy that immigrants have come here,” Morrison said. “So they’ll use this as an opportunity to say, ‘That’s how they do.’ But that’s unfair. No race or culture or group is immune.”

Domestic abuse is violent crime. There is no explaining that away. Furthermore, when they commit crimes in front of other Somalis they are less likely to report or cooperate with police. This is not a new phenominon among both native born and migrant minorities.

But is it higher in those communities then in others? Domestic abuse occurs in all communities and the reason's are complex. For example, Native American women have among the highest rates of rape and assault. Black women also have high rates, and again - for complex reasons: Why Black Women Struggle More With Domestic Violence.

All true. Both those groups commit higher domestic violence than the national average. That does not mean we import more people who are commiting violent crime higher than the national average. We owe it to American citizens to make America safer, not more violent. We should be moving forward, not backwards.

Many immigrant groups have domestic violence issues. As the police pointed out, it's likely generational and that makes sense. As they get aculturated, they become less isolated. What's important is not ending the bringing in of well vetted refugees, but gaining the trust of the communities and working with them.
 

I don't think that's "why" - the article tackles domestic abuse, within the family/community - a very real issue in many immigrant communities, but not necessarily related to overall violent crime rates (which have gone down) - despite the repeated claim that immigrants raise crime rates. And that is not to say it should be ignored, it needs to be addressed - but it's not unique to that one community.

From your article:
Portland Deputy Police Chief Vernon Malloch said his officers have seen the same thing, and he believes some of it might be generational.

“Sometimes what we see as a default is to go back to tribal mechanisms to solve problems,” he said. “So rather than go to police or through the criminal justice system, they handle it internally. I think that will lessen with the next generation.”

General mistrust of police is common among newly arrived immigrants, who may have experienced violence at the hands of police in their home countries.

“When we say ‘Go to police,’ some have seen family members killed by police or sexually assaulted,” Perry said.

Domestic violence advocates see Kubeloso’s death as an opportunity to examine ways to reach immigrants or refugees.

Morrison, however, worries that her death might provide fodder for anti-immigrant groups.

“There are still plenty of people who are not happy that immigrants have come here,” Morrison said. “So they’ll use this as an opportunity to say, ‘That’s how they do.’ But that’s unfair. No race or culture or group is immune.”

Domestic abuse is violent crime. There is no explaining that away. Furthermore, when they commit crimes in front of other Somalis they are less likely to report or cooperate with police. This is not a new phenominon among both native born and migrant minorities.

But is it higher in those communities then in others? Domestic abuse occurs in all communities and the reason's are complex. For example, Native American women have among the highest rates of rape and assault. Black women also have high rates, and again - for complex reasons: Why Black Women Struggle More With Domestic Violence.

All true. Both those groups commit higher domestic violence than the national average. That does not mean we import more people who are commiting violent crime higher than the national average. We owe it to American citizens to make America safer, not more violent. We should be moving forward, not backwards.

Many immigrant groups have domestic violence issues. As the police pointed out, it's likely generational and that makes sense. As they get aculturated, they become less isolated. What's important is not ending the bringing in of well vetted refugees, but gaining the trust of the communities and working with them.

What's in it for the American citizen? And not all migrants change the same from generation to generation. Hispanics get more educated from one generation to the next for example. Asians get less educated as each generation begins to adopt American culture. Aside from that simply saying "the violence will end in 10-30 years" isn't a convincing argument for importing peoples with a high propensity toward violence. Educated first and second generation muslims have the highest rate to run off and fight for the Islamic state in the U.K. As well. But still, with respect to refugees, what's in it for us? I can't think of anything aside importing a people with a high propensity to vote democrat. They aren't fooling anyone What is the Primary Driver Behind Democrat Immigration Policy?
 
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[You deny that Muslim refugees commit a disproportionate amount of rape?

Yep. That's how the reality-based community rolls. We don't believe things without evidence.

If you want your claim to be believable, you need to come up with something more than "I FEEL it must be true."

(And yes, picking the first few hits from a search engine is textbook cherry picking.)
Let's not forget the first two articles were about the same incident, and so were the third and fourth. Not four incidents, two. And one rape.
 
One man committed rape and a group of young men mouthed off and raped no one, but the police are looking into it.
I'm terrified. That has NEVER happened in this country before. Not ever!!!!!
It sucks that woman got raped. I don't know how you rape someone on a bus and get away with it, but hey, if the Gateway Pundit said it, it must be true, right?

You've got to hold hands with some of these people. Indeed they read something on a blog and suddenly become too intellectually dishonest to see the original source imbedded in the blog. Minneapolis man accused of raping woman on bus passing through Crookston

Point out that Muslim refugees commit a disportpoertionate amount of rapes and suddenly it becomes fake news. Trash the United States as a rape haven and suddenly were on to something.

I don't know of many folks who gain refugee status and the first thing they think to do when they enter is to rape a woman on a bus. It was three days after he was granted entery! How many women do you think get raped in Somalia? It's their national sport. It's engrained in their culture. And no doubt you want more of them.

Somalia has been torn by civil war for more than 25 years now. One of the most common weapons used in war is rape. It's not engrained in their culture. It's not their national sport. Any more than it is of the Congolese. The Democratic Republic of Congo, another country torn by war and who's citizens - women, children, even men have been horrifically raped and brutalized as part of that war. The DRC is the 4th largest group in our refugee program (Burma is the largest). Should we stop taking refugees from DRC?

When I was in the Mariens I deployed multiple times to East Africa, the Middle East, and South West and South East Asia. I've busted into houses where Irqis and Afghanis were rapeing little boys and trust me, Somalia is the crown jewel of Muslim rape. Because there is an absence of law rape is normalized in Somalia even among the average joes. Just as it is in Afghanistan where security forces (ANA and ANP) regularly rape chai boys. It's been going on for thousands of years. Rape and violence is a way of life in these countries.

We should stop taking all refugees. We are letting steam out of the kettle when it should be exploding into US backed revolution.
But we HAVE law here. It hasn't happened here with the millions of Muslims already in our country. We HAVE law and they know it won't be tolerated. That makes it different from the countries you were in. It also makes it different from Europe, which took hundreds of thousands of unvetted refugees. That is not and will never be the case here. Everything you are holding up as reasons is false.
 
There is the absence of any law in Somalia, it's a wretched country, but then all refugees are fleeing wretched countries. For some reason, the Somali immigrant communities are under attack by this administration.

Trump's statements about Somali immigrants in Maine draw rebuke - The Portland Press Herald
There are about 12,500 immigrants from seven east African countries, including Somalia, now living in Maine, according to the Immigrant Resource Center of Maine. Maine’s largest Somali populations are in Portland and Lewiston, LePage’s hometown.


On Friday, Lewiston’s acting police chief, Brian O’Malley, said there was no correlation between Somali immigration and increased crime, and if anything, the opposite is true.


When asked if crime was up because of Somali immigrants, O’Malley said. “Not in Lewiston. Our crime rate has gone down. We have not seen any increase in crime due to the Somali immigrants.”


He said that since Somali immigrants began arriving in Lewiston in the 1990s, the city’s crime rate has steadily decreased. Meanwhile, overall crime rates are down across the state and across the nation, O’Malley said.

Domestic violence often kept hidden by Maine immigrants, refugees - The Portland Press Herald

That's why.

I don't think that's "why" - the article tackles domestic abuse, within the family/community - a very real issue in many immigrant communities, but not necessarily related to overall violent crime rates (which have gone down) - despite the repeated claim that immigrants raise crime rates. And that is not to say it should be ignored, it needs to be addressed - but it's not unique to that one community.

From your article:
Portland Deputy Police Chief Vernon Malloch said his officers have seen the same thing, and he believes some of it might be generational.

“Sometimes what we see as a default is to go back to tribal mechanisms to solve problems,” he said. “So rather than go to police or through the criminal justice system, they handle it internally. I think that will lessen with the next generation.”

General mistrust of police is common among newly arrived immigrants, who may have experienced violence at the hands of police in their home countries.

“When we say ‘Go to police,’ some have seen family members killed by police or sexually assaulted,” Perry said.

Domestic violence advocates see Kubeloso’s death as an opportunity to examine ways to reach immigrants or refugees.

Morrison, however, worries that her death might provide fodder for anti-immigrant groups.

“There are still plenty of people who are not happy that immigrants have come here,” Morrison said. “So they’ll use this as an opportunity to say, ‘That’s how they do.’ But that’s unfair. No race or culture or group is immune.”

Domestic abuse is violent crime. There is no explaining that away. Furthermore, when they commit crimes in front of other Somalis they are less likely to report or cooperate with police. This is not a new phenominon among both native born and migrant minorities.

But is it higher in those communities then in others? Domestic abuse occurs in all communities and the reason's are complex. For example, Native American women have among the highest rates of rape and assault. Black women also have high rates, and again - for complex reasons: Why Black Women Struggle More With Domestic Violence.

All true. Both those groups commit higher domestic violence than the national average. That does not mean we import more people who are commiting violent crime higher than the national average. We owe it to American citizens to make America safer, not more violent. We should be moving forward, not backwards.
I don't hear you screaming about the rapists in our military, or on our college campuses. Why don't you try "fixing" rape in your own culture?
 

I don't think that's "why" - the article tackles domestic abuse, within the family/community - a very real issue in many immigrant communities, but not necessarily related to overall violent crime rates (which have gone down) - despite the repeated claim that immigrants raise crime rates. And that is not to say it should be ignored, it needs to be addressed - but it's not unique to that one community.

From your article:
Portland Deputy Police Chief Vernon Malloch said his officers have seen the same thing, and he believes some of it might be generational.

“Sometimes what we see as a default is to go back to tribal mechanisms to solve problems,” he said. “So rather than go to police or through the criminal justice system, they handle it internally. I think that will lessen with the next generation.”

General mistrust of police is common among newly arrived immigrants, who may have experienced violence at the hands of police in their home countries.

“When we say ‘Go to police,’ some have seen family members killed by police or sexually assaulted,” Perry said.

Domestic violence advocates see Kubeloso’s death as an opportunity to examine ways to reach immigrants or refugees.

Morrison, however, worries that her death might provide fodder for anti-immigrant groups.

“There are still plenty of people who are not happy that immigrants have come here,” Morrison said. “So they’ll use this as an opportunity to say, ‘That’s how they do.’ But that’s unfair. No race or culture or group is immune.”

Domestic abuse is violent crime. There is no explaining that away. Furthermore, when they commit crimes in front of other Somalis they are less likely to report or cooperate with police. This is not a new phenominon among both native born and migrant minorities.

But is it higher in those communities then in others? Domestic abuse occurs in all communities and the reason's are complex. For example, Native American women have among the highest rates of rape and assault. Black women also have high rates, and again - for complex reasons: Why Black Women Struggle More With Domestic Violence.

All true. Both those groups commit higher domestic violence than the national average. That does not mean we import more people who are commiting violent crime higher than the national average. We owe it to American citizens to make America safer, not more violent. We should be moving forward, not backwards.
I don't hear you screaming about the rapists in our military, or on our college campuses. Why don't you try "fixing" rape in your own culture?

So your're saying import more rape and make up for the increase in rapes by telling people already here not to rape? Just when I thought the left has flipped their lid they take it to a whole new level.
 
One man committed rape and a group of young men mouthed off and raped no one, but the police are looking into it.
I'm terrified. That has NEVER happened in this country before. Not ever!!!!!
It sucks that woman got raped. I don't know how you rape someone on a bus and get away with it, but hey, if the Gateway Pundit said it, it must be true, right?

You've got to hold hands with some of these people. Indeed they read something on a blog and suddenly become too intellectually dishonest to see the original source imbedded in the blog. Minneapolis man accused of raping woman on bus passing through Crookston

Point out that Muslim refugees commit a disportpoertionate amount of rapes and suddenly it becomes fake news. Trash the United States as a rape haven and suddenly were on to something.

I don't know of many folks who gain refugee status and the first thing they think to do when they enter is to rape a woman on a bus. It was three days after he was granted entery! How many women do you think get raped in Somalia? It's their national sport. It's engrained in their culture. And no doubt you want more of them.

Somalia has been torn by civil war for more than 25 years now. One of the most common weapons used in war is rape. It's not engrained in their culture. It's not their national sport. Any more than it is of the Congolese. The Democratic Republic of Congo, another country torn by war and who's citizens - women, children, even men have been horrifically raped and brutalized as part of that war. The DRC is the 4th largest group in our refugee program (Burma is the largest). Should we stop taking refugees from DRC?

When I was in the Mariens I deployed multiple times to East Africa, the Middle East, and South West and South East Asia. I've busted into houses where Irqis and Afghanis were rapeing little boys and trust me, Somalia is the crown jewel of Muslim rape. Because there is an absence of law rape is normalized in Somalia even among the average joes. Just as it is in Afghanistan where security forces (ANA and ANP) regularly rape chai boys. It's been going on for thousands of years. Rape and violence is a way of life in these countries.

We should stop taking all refugees. We are letting steam out of the kettle when it should be exploding into US backed revolution.
But we HAVE law here. It hasn't happened here with the millions of Muslims already in our country. We HAVE law and they know it won't be tolerated. That makes it different from the countries you were in. It also makes it different from Europe, which took hundreds of thousands of unvetted refugees. That is not and will never be the case here. Everything you are holding up as reasons is false.

What's in it for the American citizen?
 
But we HAVE law here. It hasn't happened here with the millions of Muslims already in our country. We HAVE law and they know it won't be tolerated. That makes it different from the countries you were in. It also makes it different from Europe, which took hundreds of thousands of unvetted refugees. That is not and will never be the case here. Everything you are holding up as reasons is false.
You know the problem with your opinion and the opinions of like minded folks that do not like to see Muslims stand for a serious vetting upon entering the nation is you all disappear when there is a terrorist attack somewhere in the world.

Then when you think it's safe you pop back up with your holier than tho attitude and wrong headed thinking.

After the terrorist scream uncle and stop the killing and denounce the jihad then we can discuss fairness and good treatment of the Muslim tourists and travelers.

Until that day I give President Trump a green light.
 

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