Remember when America was "American"? Did politicians F*Ck this up?

[usmbguest5318]

America is the same America it's always been. If you don't like it, then get the fuck out. I think Saudi Arabia may be a perfect fit for you.

True.
The soil is the same...just full of fucked up twisted sub-human trash

People who have a different opinion than you = "sub-human trash." This is why conservatives have no future in America.

Funny this map of Republican governor say otherwise

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Too bad, Bearbreath that you can figure out THIS map as to where the population really resides...LOL

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You know what. Looking at that map, it becomes clear that there's a lot more blue near natural sources of water. You know, dehydration can make one delusional.

 

[gallantwarrior]

America is the same America it's always been. If you don't like it, then get the fuck out. I think Saudi Arabia may be a perfect fit for you.

Really?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.

1. Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
2. Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
3. Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
4. Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
5. Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
6. Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

Are you suggesting America has become something of a nation of misanthropes?

1. Yes. That happens almost weekly. It certainly happens every time I go to the airport, a restaurant or bar where I find myself in the company of strangers.
2. Acquaintanceships more so than friendships, but yes. That's has been the case throughout my life. It doesn't appear to have stopped happening.
3. I did exactly that, although the school also had students who held views different from mine and my kids. I think the variety views and backgrounds was a good thing and a thing to welcome not eschew.
4. Yes. That's what I do when I'm driving/walking through my neighborhood and see someone out front whom I don't know. Mostly I nod or simply say "hi" or "good morning/afternoon," and keep moving. When I'm visible from the street, passers by do the same. (When I'm with a black friend, I observe them nodding whatnot to far more strangers than I ever would. I'm far from anti-social, but I'm not that friendly.)
5. I don't know that those things have ceased to exist, though I'm not a church-goer.
6. They still do, at least judging by the foreigners I know well enough to have an opinion about whether they have done or not.

Having now directly answered your questions, please you answer mine.

• Remember when no man whom one could not rely on the verity of his words (or at least 90% of them) could not get elected as POTUS?
• Remember when having a demonstrably high intellect (not "genius-level," just markedly brighter all around than the average person) was a requirement to hold the office that to the whole world represented among the best character one could find in America's citizenry?
• Remember when one's patriotism was more important than one's political party/ideology?

Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.
Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

A better question is why do conservatives believe life is static and doesn't change? Fewer people identify as Christians. You don't make friends anymore? You don't wave to strangers and they don't wave to you? I constantly have people that are very courteous on the road and insist that I go first at a stop sign, even when I'm insisting they go first. And we all laugh and wave the thankyou wave. People hold doors for me and I hold doors for others. Be the world you want to create, that is all you can do.

I will say that the advent of doing everything online or on a phone (text) rather than in person I believe is eroding the sociality of people. I'm at work in the bathroom practicing throne work and people in other stalls are having full-throated conversations as toilets are being flushed around them. I find it bizarre, it seems rather disrespectful to who you are talking to. Less and less human contact I don't think is a good thing. Retail stores across the board are seeing a steady drop off in business. Millenials prefer to stay home.

Turn that shit off and go bowling or shoot some pool. I think it a great loss that current generations don't know the ins and outs and joys and foibles of drive in movies.

Remember smiling and waving to strangers?

You don't do that now?

That's your fault. You've gone bad, not America.

You crazies are so fun and predictable.
I'm sure this is all just something I've imagined...and made up.
There's no cultural and or communication barriers at all here in Southern California...the "diversity" is awesome. I much prefer to be surrounded by people who share nothing in common with me...including my language. I love seeing the Mexican flags fly in front yards while the resident waits by the mailbox for the check I send them on the 1st and 15th. I love standing in line at the market and feeling like a foreigner in my native country. I love watching the t.v. monitors at the gas stations which broadcast in a language I can't understand. I love sending my kids to private schools at $2,400 per month to keep them from being surrounded by silver tooth anchors with no moral compass or sense of family values.
You Loons are right...this is a much better country for everyone who isn't truly American.

You crazies

Excuse me? You are the one who posed half a dozen or so questions where in is implicit the notion that the things about which you asked no longer exist or occur. "Remember when this?" and "Remember when that?" You asked those questions, not I.

You crazies are so...predictable.

What I predicted in my mind is that even after I showed the courtesy of directly answering each of your questions, you would not return the courtesy. And my prediction, thus far, was spot on. Indeed, in replying to me, you chose instead to insult me by calling me crazy and stupid.

Now, I'm not going to call you or your failing to return the kindness of a direct answer to the questions crazy. No. It's not crazy, it's just deucedly uncivilized. As for your having asked your OP questions, failure to kindly and directly answer my questions, and upon receiving my reply responding as you did,...well, my picturesquely speaking kin would say that's because you lack the character of a dishrag. I prefer something more precise, which is why I think it's little other than a profound indicator of your being a cantankerously-caterwauling wearisome poltroon.

You Loons are right...this is a much better country for everyone who isn't truly American.

I neither wrote nor intimated anything like that.

"Having now directly answered your questions, please you answer mine.

• Remember when no man whom one could not rely on the verity of his words (or at least 90% of them) could not get elected as POTUS?
• Remember when having a demonstrably high intellect (not "genius-level," just markedly brighter all around than the average person) was a requirement to hold the office that to the whole world represented among the best character one could find in America's citizenry?
• Remember when one's patriotism was more important than one's political party/ideology?"

You have made this assertion many times before and my response remains the same. High iQ does not and should not create a pathway to POTUS. Ones ability to simplify and problem solve is far more important than ones iQ.
This reminds me; my wife's uncle whom is much older than me, a highly credentialed M.D. and specialist with his own practice and every cert under the sun hates that I, with my little ole B.S. degree have far more net worth than he. He makes every attempt to make sure I'm fully aware that he is smarter than I am...When he starts that shit I pull out my stock portfolio or my property profiles or even write him a phone number on an ATM receipt that shows my account balance. He honestly believes that because he's smarter he is better qualified for wealth...haha

 

[L.K.Eder]

Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.
Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

Tell us when, exactly, America was American.

Well, I was born and raised in SoCal so for me it was approximately 15 million wetbacks ago.

But by American you don't mean WHITE.

 

[Toro]

I'm guessing that most of the posters in this thread who agree with the OP - including the OP - are over the age of 80.

 

[12icer]

America is the same America it's always been. If you don't like it, then get the fuck out. I think Saudi Arabia may be a perfect fit for you.

True.
The soil is the same...just full of fucked up twisted sub-human trash

People who have a different opinion than you = "sub-human trash." This is why conservatives have no future in America.

Funny this map of Republican governor say otherwise








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Too bad, Bearbreath that you can figure out THIS map as to where the population really resides...LOL


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Well I don't know what you are putting out with the map BUT district by district you get only a small area in a few states that are blue. If LA, NY. CHI, Detroit, and a few more cities died off there would be almost NO blue at all just a few dead cities like the others I posted that are full of dead worthless people. Like all liberals just dead and full of rot.

 

[nat4900]

What does that prove?

Perhaps a grown up can help you understand......maybe.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What does that prove?

Perhaps a grown up can help you understand......maybe.

Once again all that proves their is military bases and government labs in Red States..


Again child this is all about that poster saying conservatism was dying..


You can't comprehend much can you?



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[skews13]

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Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.
Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

IMO, it all started in the 60s.[/QU

It started with WW2, the Manhatten Project, and the Cold War that followed, which led to the creation of the military industrial complex, that Eisenhower warned us about.

Which led to the creation of giant multi national corporations, that has completely corrupted our political system.

These giant multinational corporations don't give a rats ass about the country, what is American, your very safety, the massive pollution spewed into the earth, or any god damn thing else.

Only their profit margins, and they will feed your children to the wolves to increase them.

The people Republicans are now chomping at the bit to give big tax cuts to. Because it will help you and your children.

No seriously.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.

1. Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
2. Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
3. Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
4. Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
5. Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
6. Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

Are you suggesting America has become something of a nation of misanthropes?

1. Yes. That happens almost weekly. It certainly happens every time I go to the airport, a restaurant or bar where I find myself in the company of strangers.
2. Acquaintanceships more so than friendships, but yes. That's has been the case throughout my life. It doesn't appear to have stopped happening.
3. I did exactly that, although the school also had students who held views different from mine and my kids. I think the variety views and backgrounds was a good thing and a thing to welcome not eschew.
4. Yes. That's what I do when I'm driving/walking through my neighborhood and see someone out front whom I don't know. Mostly I nod or simply say "hi" or "good morning/afternoon," and keep moving. When I'm visible from the street, passers by do the same. (When I'm with a black friend, I observe them nodding whatnot to far more strangers than I ever would. I'm far from anti-social, but I'm not that friendly.)
5. I don't know that those things have ceased to exist, though I'm not a church-goer.
6. They still do, at least judging by the foreigners I know well enough to have an opinion about whether they have done or not.

Having now directly answered your questions, please you answer mine.

• Remember when no man whom one could not rely on the verity of his words (or at least 90% of them) could not get elected as POTUS?
• Remember when having a demonstrably high intellect (not "genius-level," just markedly brighter all around than the average person) was a requirement to hold the office that to the whole world represented among the best character one could find in America's citizenry?
• Remember when one's patriotism was more important than one's political party/ideology?

Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.
Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

A better question is why do conservatives believe life is static and doesn't change? Fewer people identify as Christians. You don't make friends anymore? You don't wave to strangers and they don't wave to you? I constantly have people that are very courteous on the road and insist that I go first at a stop sign, even when I'm insisting they go first. And we all laugh and wave the thankyou wave. People hold doors for me and I hold doors for others. Be the world you want to create, that is all you can do.

I will say that the advent of doing everything online or on a phone (text) rather than in person I believe is eroding the sociality of people. I'm at work in the bathroom practicing throne work and people in other stalls are having full-throated conversations as toilets are being flushed around them. I find it bizarre, it seems rather disrespectful to who you are talking to. Less and less human contact I don't think is a good thing. Retail stores across the board are seeing a steady drop off in business. Millenials prefer to stay home.

Turn that shit off and go bowling or shoot some pool. I think it a great loss that current generations don't know the ins and outs and joys and foibles of drive in movies.

Remember smiling and waving to strangers?

You don't do that now?

That's your fault. You've gone bad, not America.

You crazies are so fun and predictable.
I'm sure this is all just something I've imagined...and made up.
There's no cultural and or communication barriers at all here in Southern California...the "diversity" is awesome. I much prefer to be surrounded by people who share nothing in common with me...including my language. I love seeing the Mexican flags fly in front yards while the resident waits by the mailbox for the check I send them on the 1st and 15th. I love standing in line at the market and feeling like a foreigner in my native country. I love watching the t.v. monitors at the gas stations which broadcast in a language I can't understand. I love sending my kids to private schools at $2,400 per month to keep them from being surrounded by silver tooth anchors with no moral compass or sense of family values.
You Loons are right...this is a much better country for everyone who isn't truly American.

You crazies

Excuse me? You are the one who posed half a dozen or so questions where in is implicit the notion that the things about which you asked no longer exist or occur. "Remember when this?" and "Remember when that?" You asked those questions, not I.

You crazies are so...predictable.

What I predicted in my mind is that even after I showed the courtesy of directly answering each of your questions, you would not return the courtesy. And my prediction, thus far, was spot on. Indeed, in replying to me, you chose instead to insult me by calling me crazy and stupid.

Now, I'm not going to call you or your failing to return the kindness of a direct answer to the questions crazy. No. It's not crazy, it's just deucedly uncivilized. As for your having asked your OP questions, failure to kindly and directly answer my questions, and upon receiving my reply responding as you did,...well, my picturesquely speaking kin would say that's because you lack the character of a dishrag. I prefer something more precise, which is why I think it's little other than a profound indicator of your being a cantankerously-caterwauling wearisome poltroon.

You Loons are right...this is a much better country for everyone who isn't truly American.

I neither wrote nor intimated anything like that.

"Having now directly answered your questions, please you answer mine.

• Remember when no man whom one could not rely on the verity of his words (or at least 90% of them) could not get elected as POTUS?
• Remember when having a demonstrably high intellect (not "genius-level," just markedly brighter all around than the average person) was a requirement to hold the office that to the whole world represented among the best character one could find in America's citizenry?
• Remember when one's patriotism was more important than one's political party/ideology?"

You have made this assertion many times before and my response remains the same. High iQ does not and should not create a pathway to POTUS. Ones ability to simplify and problem solve is far more important than ones iQ.
This reminds me; my wife's uncle whom is much older than me, a highly credentialed M.D. and specialist with his own practice and every cert under the sun hates that I, with my little ole B.S. degree have far more net worth than he. He makes every attempt to make sure I'm fully aware that he is smarter than I am...When he starts that shit I pull out my stock portfolio or my property profiles or even write him a phone number on an ATM receipt that shows my account balance. He honestly believes that because he's smarter he is better qualified for wealth...haha

This reminds me; my wife's uncle whom is much older than me, a highly credentialed M.D. and specialist with his own practice and every cert under the sun hates that I, with my little ole B.S. degree have far more net worth than he. He makes every attempt to make sure I'm fully aware that he is smarter than I am...When he starts that shit I pull out my stock portfolio or my property profiles or even write him a phone number on an ATM receipt that shows my account balance. He honestly believes that because he's smarter he is better qualified for wealth...haha

1. I'm going to infer from (1) your remarks about your uncle-in-law" (2) your stated marital status, and (3) your stated educational achievement that you are a young adult (not over 35).
2. Wealth/income is not a proxy for or indicator of intellect. High intellect does not assure one of great wealth or earning an inordinately or even "normally" high income. Indeed, I don't know that any of the smartest people on Earth are extraordinarily rich, yet most of them do alright financially. It's also not apparent to me that the richest people around are among the smartest people on earth, yet most are smarter than average. (I recognize that "doing alright" and being "smarter than average" are phrases that describe a range not a point.) My own brother would tell you in NY minute that he's of only average intellect -- and he rightly isn't chagrined about it; it is what it is -- yet he's well into the "one-percent" range of wealth, and that rightly doesn't serve as a source of pride for him as that too is what it is. He has a career doing what he likes and the job pays well.
3. I'm very hard pressed to believe that any "much older than [you], ...highly credentialed M.D. and specialist with his own practice and every cert under the sun" would deign in earnest to demonstrate they are smarter than anyone for they have nothing to gain by doing so. You claim your uncle-in-law has done so; thus I'll take your word for it. I'll, however, note that in that regard, your uncle-in-law is unlike any accomplished physicians I've encountered. There're, however, exceptions to the norm I know. He certainly can be one.
4. None of the very wealthy or very smart (or both) people I know engage on any level in the "mine's bigger than yours" game. They do the "you don't have any" or "I wish I had some/more" thing, but they don't do "whose d*ck is bigger." The people in my world who "have it," aren't interested in who, relative to them, has more or less of it because it's clear to all of us that we all have far more than enough of "it" to live the lives we want to live.
5. I suspect your uncle-in-law may indeed be a brighter fellow than you. If it be that he'd recognize "yes" or "no," or express alternatives that imply yes/no, as what are the valid direct answers to the questions you posed and to the ones I posed in reply, then he quite likely is smarter than you. For you see, in spite of your couple paragraphs of reply -- one of which shares more on someone else's behavior and implied mindset than about your own -- we still don't know whether you "remember when...." And here I thought the questions I asked were easy ones. I know I had no difficulty directly saying "yes" or "no" when answering yours.

 

[MaryL]

Before you whack-jobs lose your mind....Let me rob the words from your mouth and say, by American I don't mean WHITE.
Remember standing in line somewhere and conversing with likeminded strangers who spoke your same language?
Remember continuously making new friends through these random conversations?
Remember sending your kids to schools full of likeminded kids?
Remember smiling and waving to strangers?
Remember when family values, church and God were important to most Americans?
Remember when foreigners came to America to become truly AMERICAN-ized?

Politicians and Bureaucrats everywhere fight to preserve almost everything but what may matter most in the end. How did they fuck it all up and allow things to become so twisted?

Well, I remember those days. I wish people under 40 did. Illegal aliens were no issue, People worked their entire lives for one company, that company took care of them and their families. Nobody made a lot of money, but they manged to survive on the few dollars they got. Couldn't mention the word "pregnant". Modesty was a thing. A new house cost less than 2000 bucks. The GI bill. And now? All these well intended liberal politicians give the green light to gay marriage, give illegal aliens sanctuary ,and other wise tromp over all american values. And they flaunt it. as if pandering to liberalism is a saving grace. I remember when our politicians used to listen to ALL of us, not just pander to fleeting political causes.

 

[Unkotare]

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• Remember when no man whom one could not rely on the verity of his words (or at least 90% of them) could not get elected as POTUS?
• Remember when having a demonstrably high intellect (not "genius-level," just markedly brighter all around than the average person) was a requirement to hold the office that to the whole world represented among the best character one could find in America's citizenry?...

Ah yes, in the Era of Fantasyland.

 

[Unkotare]

... I wish people under 40 did. Illegal aliens were no issue....

There were illegal aliens 40 years ago.

 

[Unkotare]

... I wish people under 40 did.... People worked their entire lives for one company, that company took care of them and their families. Nobody made a lot of money, but they manged to survive on the few dollars they got. Couldn't mention the word "pregnant". .... values. And they flaunt it. as if pandering to liberalism is a saving grace. I remember when our politicians used to listen to ALL of us, not just pander to fleeting political causes.

Nonsense. Idealizing an imagined past is a common misconception.

 

[MaryL]

... I wish people under 40 did. Illegal aliens were no issue....

There were illegal aliens 40 years ago.

Unlike you, that wasn't around then. Wetters were such a tiny issue THEN, compared to the last 25 years, because of their huge influx in the last 25 years. The culture 30 years ago VS NOW? night and day. You could walk in your neighborhood, you could trust your neighbors, you could actually talk to people without an interpreter.

 

[Unkotare]

... I wish people under 40 did. Illegal aliens were no issue....

There were illegal aliens 40 years ago.

Unlike you, that wasn't around then.

Wrong, it was.

You could walk in your neighborhood, you could trust your neighbors, you could actually talk to people without an interpreter.

I do that now, every day. Your problem is you.

 

[Thinker101]

... I wish people under 40 did. Illegal aliens were no issue....

There were illegal aliens 40 years ago.

Unlike you, that wasn't around then.

Wrong, it was.

You could walk in your neighborhood, you could trust your neighbors, you could actually talk to people without an interpreter.

I do that now, every day. Your problem is you.

Evidently not many seedy people frequent your trailer park.

 

[MaryL]

... I wish people under 40 did.... People worked their entire lives for one company, that company took care of them and their families. Nobody made a lot of money, but they manged to survive on the few dollars they got. Couldn't mention the word "pregnant". .... values. And they flaunt it. as if pandering to liberalism is a saving grace. I remember when our politicians used to listen to ALL of us, not just pander to fleeting political causes.

Nonsense. Idealizing an imagined past is a common misconception.

I love ya kid. I lived this, nonsense? Really? How condescending can you get? Those that forget history, are doomed to repeat it. But you blatantly ignore it because it dosen't fit into your limited mindset. Typical liberal.

 

[pismoe]

USA was excellent especially for my parents generation . Dad survived ww2 in Europe , didn't have to go to Korea because he and Mom had 3 kids at the time , 5 kids total . I was born in 1949 . Dad got a job and he worked his job and advanced as time went by . Mom never worked outside the house but as i remember things we were rich. Got a first new car in 1960 , a big Dodge station wagon and after that i remember what i would call upward mobility . Anyway , 'ike' Eisenhower was President in the mid 50s and he did OPERATION Wetback . He cleaned up the USA of illegals so that when i was looking for a good job as a young adult in about 1968 good paying jobs were easy to find . I went from making a 1.25 an hour to making 3.83 an hour in just a matter of hours plus i had benefits for the wife and kids . ------------- something else to consider is that illegals didn't send their kids to schools to muck up education for young Americans . The way i remember things is that my parents generation had it made for their entire lifetimes . Same for my generation except that this country is not nearly as FREE as it was for my parents generation MaryL .

 

[Unkotare]

... I wish people under 40 did. Illegal aliens were no issue....

There were illegal aliens 40 years ago.

Unlike you, that wasn't around then.

Wrong, it was.

You could walk in your neighborhood, you could trust your neighbors, you could actually talk to people without an interpreter.

I do that now, every day. Your problem is you.

Evidently not many seedy people frequent your trailer park.

What do you mean?