Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) Apologizes and Perhaps the Quote of the Year So Far

[garyd]

And lets not forget half the homeless are ex wards of state mental hospitals that were closed down by screw ball leftist lawyers in favor of group homes that didn't exist and of which there will never be enough and inspite of the fact that many of these people simply weren't suited to a group home environment.

 

[Si modo]

And lets not forget half the homeless are ex wards of state mental hospitals that were closed down by screw ball leftist lawyers in favor of group homes that didn't exist and of which there will never be enough and inspite of the fact that many of these people simply weren't suited to a group home environment.

Yup. The policy of deinstitutionalization has bombed. Save us all from the freaking bleeding hearts. They have failed us so badly and are slappable.

 

[GWV5903]

It's funny because this was really the whole point of me posting this:

“We should care about people even after they are born.”

That quote, right there. Those on the right are so hellbent about every child being born, but they don't want to provide any help for that child if the parents can't afford it. However, they will go ahead and bitch about all the parents who can't afford to have the kids and have them anyway. The double standard is so obvious it's as if it is smacking you in the face to recognize it.

That's BS, Conservatives donate more to charity than Liberals ever thought of giving......

 

[Avatar4321]

Grayson added in another apparent dig at the GOP, “We should care about people even after they are born.”

If you cons do not see the imprtance of this statement, then it is either because you are too stupid to read, or you simply choose not to see it.

The importance of the statement is that it demonstrates his hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of all the left. Let's kill babies and kll the elderly but then tell the people Republicans dont care about them.

Tell me, how is it compassionate to enforce sub par healthcare? How is it compassionate to take away a persons liberty to choose who covers them ro whether or not they are covered at all? What exactly is compassionate about some beauracrat in Washington telling the American people what proceedures they can and cannot have in order to save money? How is Obama telling our grandparents to just take pain pills and die rather than having life saving proceedures compassionate?

There is nothing compassionate about government. Giving government power over your life and the life of others is the least compassionate thing anyone can do. If you want to be compassionate to others, get off your lazy butt and help others. Feed the homeless. give to the poor. tutor/mentor a kid, Actually do something!

Why on earth do you think it's compassionate to have someone else make people dependent on politicians? Do you have a freakin clue what compassion is? I doubt it. Or else your posts would reflect it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why are they scare tactics? The GOP has done nothing but try their best to kill reform since day one. How are Grayson's remarks untrue?

Are you seriously this stupid? A five year old could see what's untrue about them.

If nothing is reformed, people wont be dying quickly. Because our medicare system is top of the line. Passing this abomination is going to destroy every incentive keeping our system top in the world.

Now if you want some serious reforms, lets get the federal government out of the system. They have no authority to engage in the health care industry anyway.

 

[Avatar4321]

The GOP fought SCHIP, and are now fighting tooth and nail to derail healthcare reform. The GOP wants to force women to have children, and then wants to wipe their hands of the children after they are born. Those are the facts.

Of course we fought SCHIP. Anyone who actually read the freakin bill would realize that 29 year olds are not freaking children!

 

[Avatar4321]

Translation: "I got mine. Screw the common good."

What on earth do you know about the common good? I dont need you telling me what is best for me. You dont even know me. Why on earth do you arrogantly assume you know whats best for me? Or for anyone else for that matter?

What is best for the common good is freedom. Freedom to make our own decisions. We dont need big brother looking over our shoulders. We dont need Washington making choices on what we do with our money. Because we are far more charitble and wiser with our money than the government is.

There is nothing good about being dependant on government. There is nothing good about destroying all incentive to work. There is nothing about making the problems in this nation worse through government intervention.

You and your friends are setting us on a course that will destroy this nation. There is nothing good about that.

 

[Avatar4321]

How do you KILL something that is "pre-born" exactly?

Not that difficult. You destroy the unique embryonic cells currently gestating.

Our school systems are truly failing us if that has to be explained.

 

[Avatar4321]

Really? Define "alive"...

Any entity with a unique genetic structure that:

1. Replicates
2. Adapts
3. uses energy

 

[Avatar4321]

If the republicans want to filibuster a bill then I think that they should, but I needs to be a real fillibuster. They need to stop trying to get a bill that will get 60 votes and have all the lame compromises in it and instead need to work on a real full out government healthcare bill that will get the 50 dem votes. I ask then which republican will want to stand on the senate floor for hours, or even days and make a fool of himself because he is literally standing against progress and standing for the insurance compainies?

Here are the major flaws with your premise:

1) There is nothing inherently wrong with insurance companies. If there were the Democrats wouldnt be working so hard to turn the government into one.
2) That anything in this monstrousity could be considered progress unless we completely redefine the word.
3) The people benefit just as much as the insurance companies do by stopping this legislation
4) The federal government has absolutely no authority to interfer with the health care industry unless some transaction occured over state lines.

You are not good for supporting this buearacratic nightmare. Nor is anyone evil because they oppose this. Stop pretending otherwise.

 

[Avatar4321]

Loved it when they showed all those clips of whining Republicans and then the same Republicans on the house floor saying Obama wants to kill you grandmother and the Obama deathsquads.

Can anyone say, "Hypocrite"?

Yeah. We can. We've been calling you Democrats hypocrites all throughout the thread for supporting this idiot.

 

[Avatar4321]

Personally, I would take a form of healthcare that is controlled by the government that must ultimately answer to the people of the United States of America. Rather than a for profit insurance corporation that will only answer to its share holders. That is why government health care is what is best for the country. That is unless you advocate fascism for America.

Id much rather trust people who want to make a profit and thus have motivation to provide the best service possible to politicians and bueacrats who simply want the power to tell me what I can and cant do in my life.

As for fascism, we are trying to stop government interference in the private sector and the abolishment of it completely. So you see, we are trying to stop both socialism and fascism by allowing people to remain free to purchase and to not purchase whatever insurance they want rather than have the government control it.

 

[Avatar4321]

But its okay for Republicans to say if we do pass obamacare, the government will kill your grandma? Isn't that a scare tactic?

Let's see Obama told the elderly to just take pain medication rather than go through proceedures to save their life, but we should just ignore that and pretend as though its not a valid possibility despite him coming out and stating it because gosh darnit, he's such a great man....

 

[Emma]

Really? Define "alive"...

Any entity with a unique genetic structure that:

1. Replicates
2. Adapts
3. uses energy

Well that leaves out my ex.

 

[AnCo]

Think Progress » Grayson stands by criticism of Republican plan: ‘I would like to apologize to the dead.’

Overall, good article.

Yesterday, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) said the Republican health care plan is “don’t get sick,” and if you do get sick, “die quickly.” After offering those facetious and sadly accurate remarks, Grayson came under criticism from Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), who demanded that Grayson apologize on the House floor. Speaking to reporters this afternoon, Grayson said, “Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek. I’m surprised I have to explain that, but that’s the way it goes these days.” He added that he’s “not taking any of it back” and will “stand by what I said.” When asked if he would apologize, Grayson offered this response:

“I would like to apologize,” he said. “I would like to apologize to the dead.”

However, this is what I consider to be the quote of the year:

Grayson added in another apparent dig at the GOP, “We should care about people even after they are born.”

This guy is top-notch. A Democrat with balls! Who would've thought?!

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Think Progress » Grayson stands by criticism of Republican plan: ‘I would like to apologize to the dead.’

Overall, good article.

Yesterday, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) said the Republican health care plan is “don’t get sick,” and if you do get sick, “die quickly.” After offering those facetious and sadly accurate remarks, Grayson came under criticism from Rep. Tom Price (R-GA), who demanded that Grayson apologize on the House floor. Speaking to reporters this afternoon, Grayson said, “Yes, it was tongue-in-cheek. I’m surprised I have to explain that, but that’s the way it goes these days.” He added that he’s “not taking any of it back” and will “stand by what I said.” When asked if he would apologize, Grayson offered this response:

“I would like to apologize,” he said. “I would like to apologize to the dead.”

However, this is what I consider to be the quote of the year:

Grayson added in another apparent dig at the GOP, “We should care about people even after they are born.”

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Care for them after there born??? This from the leftist idiots that throw the poor into run down tenaments that make the poor houses of the 19th century look like bastions of shining altruism? This from the leftist hacks apprently really do love the poor since almost every policy they propound makes it ever more freaking difficult to escape the government run slums they appear to believe everybody but them ought to have to live in. Give me a break.

Hell almost all the private adoptions in this country that don't involve some Hollywood hottie flying over seas and grabbing some orphan off the streets of Nairobi and don't cost a minimum of twenty five grand are run by Catholic social services, Lutheran social services and the Presbyterian equivalent.

Care about them after their born? Don't make me laugh. In what way are the poor any better off now than they were fifty years ago? Hint they aren't and after spending 10 to 20 times the money we've spent in Iraq all we've got to show for is a poverty line twenty times higher than it was when the war on poverty began 40 years ago under LBJ. And you can make more money and still be poor in this country than in any other country on earth.

ROFL... well said Gayrd...

Yeah... who could have predicted that policy which subsidized poverty, would promote more poverty?

Just as who could even THINK ABOUT Criticizing policy which forces EVERYONE to BUY insurance... by noting that such policy will; as it can ONLY DRIVE THE PRICE OF INSURANCE THROUGH THE ROOF!

So... what is the only possible result of legislation which promises to JAIL ANYONE THAT FAILS TO BUY INSURANCE... on the premise that healthcare is a moral imperative... insurance is essential to healthcare, so EVERYONE MUST HAVE IT? Those selling insurance now have absolutely nothing between them and a sure thing... such rarely realizes the need for sellers of such products to lower their prices; and why is that? Because demand for that product is now unbounded... through this leglative fiat; and it gets MUCH WORSE.

Now, of course some will claim that the government should legislate the cost of that product, if they're going to legislate the requirement that everyone should own it... RIGHT?

Well let's look at another area where the Legislature did this... Homeowner Insurance.

Anyone renewed their homeowners policy lately? I'm paying just under $5000/year to insure a 50 year old, 1500sq ft house... Gotta have it... if one has a mortgage.. Right?

Flood insurance... anyone?

Car insurance... it's a must!

Business liability... Can't sign a contract or operate a business without it... paying OUT THE ASS for that. And that doesn't include the BONDS... which one has to have as a matter of LAW!

Now does anyone really believe that the Democrats are really all that pissed at Insurance companies?

Can there be any reasoning which could HOPE to offer some notion that the government is really 'going after' the insurance industry, when that same government has mandated the ownership of their products?

Get serious! It's a SCAM! Health Insurance companies are on the hook for TRILLIONS in liabilties... and the government is fashioning what? Are they holding Insurance companies to sound actuarial standards in issuing those policies? Are they requiring prudent and virtuous investment policy through which those companies are best likely to sustain those liabilities? Or are they working towards relieving those companies of those liabilities by forcing them to set aside sound actuarial selection of qualified candidates for such policies... by demanding that the insurers take on ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN LOSSES? And this on the threat that if they do not, that the government will take over the responsibility?

HELLO! DOES THAT SOUND FAMILAIR TO ANYONE? It's the SAME DAMN FORLULA WHICH JUST CRUSHED THE MORTGAGE MARKETS... Does anyone here, feel that THAT WORKED OUT WELL FOR US?

You can't insure against a CERTAIN LOSS! You can't pay $5000 in advance to offset the certainty of a $500,000 loss. PERIOD! And that is what Health Insurance is...

The notion that because you pay a healthinsurance premium, when you sought out the cheapest thing you could find and expect that it will provide you with the BEST POSSIBLE COVERAGE is LUDICROUS!

I don't give a damn WHO IT IS... If you're goal is TOP DOLLAR PERFORMANCE... You will not realize that through purchasing the CHEAPEST PRODUCT!

What's the name of the game here? What is Baucus claiming is his mission? To reduce costs... and how is he going about it? He's going about it by implementing policy which CAN ONLY INCREASE COST! He is demanding that everyone buy insurance... which can ONLY DRIVE THE COST OF INSURANCE THROUGH THE ROOF...

Which means that EVERYONE will be dependent on SOMEONE ELSE PAYING THEIR MEDICAL BILL... which means that NO ONE WILL GIVE A RED RATS ASS WHAT MEDICAL TREATMENT COST! BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT PAYING FOR IT!

And kids... when EVERYONE is willing to AND EVERYONE IS DEMANDING TOP DOLLAR CARE... AND THE GOVERNMENT IS FORCING THE INSURERS AND THE MEDICAL SYSTEM TO PROVIDE TOP DOLLAR PERFORMANCE... Who here believes that this can EVEN POSSIBLY result on REDUCING COST?

if you believe that this is possible... you have just certified yourself as a FOOL.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

Care for them after there born??? This from the leftist idiots that throw the poor into run down tenaments that make the poor houses of the 19th century look like bastions of shining altruism? This from the leftist hacks apprently really do love the poor since almost every policy they propound makes it ever more freaking difficult to escape the government run slums they appear to believe everybody but them ought to have to live in.

Would you mind sourcing this and providing some examples?