Zone1 REPARATION NOW! The US Owes $350,000 To Every Black American

[IM2]

If you have records that land and property was unjustly taken from your family, you might have a case but otherwise this is just a march for communism.

Considering every white person living in this country is living on stolen land, and if we allow for the excuses, 93 million whites today are benefittingvfrom the government handout of free land, you might want to rethink your comment.

Moreover, the opposition to black reparations is based on sheer racist hatred.Precedents have been set as other groups who have been harmed by thegovernment have received reparations. As for the tired worn out excuse of“why should I pay for something I did not do,” here is an example ofreparations made in modern times for things done by past generations.

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S.government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux nation 105 million dollars..

And this is not all. You guys simply have no excuses.

 

[IM2]

But refusing to stop importing slaves did not end the slaving business in the United States. What it produced was an original American industry-slave breeding.

Why didn't the same thing happen in the Arab countries that imported slaves?

We don't live in the Arab countries. That's a strawman. The topic is Reparations as a result of American law.

 

[IM2]

There was a time reparations were actually paid out – just not to formerly enslaved people​

Published: February 26, 2021

The cost of slavery and its legacy of systemic racism to generations of Black Americans has been clear over the past year – seen in both the racial disparities of the pandemic and widespread protests over police brutality.

Yet whenever calls for reparations are made – as they are again now – opponents counter that it would be unfair to saddle a debt on those not personally responsible. In the words of then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, speaking on Juneteenth – the day Black Americans celebrate as marking emancipation – in 2019, “I don’t think reparations for something that happened 150 years ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea.”

As a professor of public policy who has studied reparations, I acknowledge that the figures involved are large – I conservatively estimate the losses from unpaid wages and lost inheritances to Black descendants of the enslaved at around US$20 trillion in 2021 dollars.

But what often gets forgotten by those who oppose reparations is that payouts for slavery have been made before – numerous times, in fact. And few at the time complained that it was unfair to saddle generations of people with a debt for which they were not personally responsible.

There is an important caveat in these cases of reparations though: The payments went to former slave owners and their descendants, not the enslaved or their legal heirs.

There was a time reparations were actually paid out – just not to formerly enslaved people

History is full of examples of nations paying out to compensate for slavery. But the money never went to those who suffered under the system, only those who profited.

theconversation.com

 

[the other mike]

Considering every white person living in this country is living on stolen land, and if we allow for the excuses, 93 million whites today are benefittingvfrom the government handout of free land, you might want to rethink your comment.

Moreover, the opposition to black reparations is based on sheer racist hatred.Precedents have been set as other groups who have been harmed by thegovernment have received reparations. As for the tired worn out excuse of“why should I pay for something I did not do,” here is an example ofreparations made in modern times for things done by past generations.

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S.government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux nation 105 million dollars..

And this is not all. You guys simply have no excuses.

My wife and I own 8 Acres in Southwest Arkansas which used to be Native American land, and we agree to pay property taxes in order to stay here.

Good luck with your argument and I understand your concerns but you're barking up the wrong tree here.

 

[IM2]

Reparations Payments Made in the United States by the Federal Government, States, Cities, Religious Institutions, Universities, and Corporations​

1970-1989​

1970: Richard Nixon signed into law House Resolution 471 restoring Blue Lake and surrounding area to the Taos Pueblo (New Mexico). The land had been taken by presidential order in 1906. (A History of the Indians in the United States by Angie Debo (Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press, 1984, p. 422); see also "Taos Pueblo celebrates 40th anniversary of Blue Lake's return" by Matthew van Buren, Santa Fe New Mexican, September 18, 2010.)
The payments from 1971-1988 are taken from the booklet Black Reparations Now! 40 Acres, $50 Dollars, and a Mule, + Interest by Dorothy Benton-Lewis; and borrowed from N’COBRA (National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America).

1971: Around $1 billion + 44 million acres of land: Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act.

1974: A $10 million out-of-court settlement was reached between the U.S. government and Tuskegee victims, black men who had been unwitting subjects of a study of untreated syphilis, and who did not receive available treatments. (“The Tuskegee Timeline”, CDC, updated March 2, 2020.)

1980: $81 million: Klamaths of Oregon. ("Spending Spree" by Dylan Darling, Herald and News (Klamath Falls, OR), June 21, 2005.)

1980: $105 million: Sioux of South Dakota for seizure of their land. (United States v. Sioux Nation of Indians, 448 U.S. 371 (1980).)

1985: $12.3 million: Seminoles of Florida. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1985: $31 million: Chippewas of Wisconsin. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1986: $32 million per 1836 Treaty: Ottawas of Michigan. (see Racial Justice in America: A Reference Handbook by David B. Mustard, 2002, ABC-CLIO, p. 81.)

1988: Civil Liberties Act of 1988: President Ronald Reagan signed a bill providing $1.2 billion ($20,000 a person) and an apology to each of the approximately 60,000 living Japanese-Americans who had been interned during World War II. Additionally, $12,000 and an apology were given to 450 Unangans (Aleuts) for internment during WWII, and a $6.4 million trust fund was created for their communities. ("U.S. pays restitution; apologizes to Unangan (Aleut) for WWII Internment," National Library of Medicine.)

2010-2019
The reparations payments marked with † are taken from "How Chicago Became the First City to Make Reparations to Victims of Police Violence" by Yana Kunichoff and Sarah Macaraeg, YES Magazine, Spring 2017; and Long Overdue: The Politics of Racial Reparations: From 40 Acres to Atonement and Beyond by Charles P. Henry, 2007, NYU Press.

2014: The state of North Carolina set aside $10 million for reparations payments to living survivors of the state’s eugenics program, which forcibly sterilized approximately 7,600 people. ("North Carolina Set To Compensate Forced Sterilization Victims" by Scott Neuman, NPR, July 25, 2013; "Families of NC Eugenics Victims No Longer Alive Still Have Shot at Compensation" by Anne Blythe, News & Observer (Raleigh, N.C.), March 17, 2017.)

2015†: The City of Chicago signed into law an ordinance granting cash payments, free college education, and a range of social services to 57 living survivors of police torture (Burge Reparations). Explicitly defined as reparations, which totaled $5.5 million, the ordinance includes a formal apology from Mayor Rahm Emanuel and a mandate to teach the broader public about the torture through a memorial and public school curriculum.

2016†: Georgetown University has acknowledged that the school has profited from the sale of slaves and has "reconciled" by naming two buildings after African Americans and offer preferred admission to any descendants of slaves who worked at the university.

2016: The state of Virginia, one of more than 30 other states that practiced forced sterilizations, followed North Carolina’s lead and has since 2016 been awarding $25,000 to each survivor. ("Virginia Votes Compensation for Victims of its Eugenic Sterilization Program" by Jaydee Hanson, Center for Genetics and Society, March 5, 2015.)

2016: The U.S. government reached a settlement of $492 million with 17 Native American tribes to resolve lawsuits alleging the federal government mismanaged tribal land, resources, and money. (“U.S. Government To Pay $492 Million To 17 American Indian Tribes” by Rebecca Hersher, NPR, September 27, 2016.)

2018: The Supreme Court, in a 4-4 deadlock, let stand a lower court's order to the state of Washington to make billions of dollars worth of repairs to roads, where the state had built culverts below road channels and structures in a way that prevented salmon from swimming through and reaching their spawning grounds, that had damaged the state’s salmon habitats and contributed to population loss. The case involved the Stevens Treaties, a series of agreements in 1854-55, in which tribes in Washington State gave up millions of acres of land in exchange for "the right to take fish." Implicit in the treaties, courts would later rule, was a guarantee that there would be enough fish for the tribes to harvest. Destroying the habitat reduces the population and thus violates these treaties. This decision directly affects the Swinomish Tribe. ("A Victory For A Tribe That’s Lost Its Salmon" by John Eligon, The New York Times, June 12, 2018.)

LibGuides: Reparations in the United States: Home

An Historical Timeline of Reparations Payments Made From 1783 through 2023 by the United States Government, States, Cities, Religious Institutions, Universities, Corporations, and Communities

guides.library.umass.edu

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Considering every white person living in this country is living on stolen land, and if we allow for the excuses, 93 million whites today are benefittingvfrom the government handout of free land, you might want to rethink your comment.

Moreover, the opposition to black reparations is based on sheer racist hatred.Precedents have been set as other groups who have been harmed by thegovernment have received reparations. As for the tired worn out excuse of“why should I pay for something I did not do,” here is an example ofreparations made in modern times for things done by past generations.

I am quite sure no one living in 1980 was alive when the U.S.government made the Fort Laramie treaty with the Sioux Nation or were participants in Custers violation of that treaty. Nor were they alive when President Grant decided it was OK to let settlers and people prospecting for gold tresspass into land promised to the Sioux thereby violating the treaty. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to take the land from the Sioux by military force. No one in 1980 was alive when the U.S. government decided to cut off supplies they promised the Sioux as condition for their surrender after whipping the U.S. Army at The Battle of Little Bighorn. But in 1980, the government of the United States decided reparations were due to the Sioux Nation for what was done to them in the 1800’s. They awarded the Sioux nation 105 million dollars..

And this is not all. You guys simply have no excuses.

Considering every white person living in this country is living on stolen land,

Is every black person living in this country living on stolen land?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

We don't live in the Arab countries. That's a strawman. The topic is Reparations as a result of American law.

We don't live in the Arab countries

We don't.

What happened in the Arab countries that imported slaves?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There was a time reparations were actually paid out – just not to formerly enslaved people​

Published: February 26, 2021

The cost of slavery and its legacy of systemic racism to generations of Black Americans has been clear over the past year – seen in both the racial disparities of the pandemic and widespread protests over police brutality.

Yet whenever calls for reparations are made – as they are again now – opponents counter that it would be unfair to saddle a debt on those not personally responsible. In the words of then-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, speaking on Juneteenth – the day Black Americans celebrate as marking emancipation – in 2019, “I don’t think reparations for something that happened 150 years ago for whom none of us currently living are responsible is a good idea.”

As a professor of public policy who has studied reparations, I acknowledge that the figures involved are large – I conservatively estimate the losses from unpaid wages and lost inheritances to Black descendants of the enslaved at around US$20 trillion in 2021 dollars.

But what often gets forgotten by those who oppose reparations is that payouts for slavery have been made before – numerous times, in fact. And few at the time complained that it was unfair to saddle generations of people with a debt for which they were not personally responsible.

There is an important caveat in these cases of reparations though: The payments went to former slave owners and their descendants, not the enslaved or their legal heirs.

There was a time reparations were actually paid out – just not to formerly enslaved people

History is full of examples of nations paying out to compensate for slavery. But the money never went to those who suffered under the system, only those who profited.

theconversation.com

As a professor of public policy who has studied reparations, I acknowledge that the figures involved are large – I conservatively estimate the losses from unpaid wages and lost inheritances to Black descendants of the enslaved at around US$20 trillion in 2021 dollars.

I'd like to see the black math involved in this claim.

 

[IM2]

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Of course not. They sold the people of the tribes they defeated into slavery.

Since whites would arm one tribe in return for captives and if the tribe were refused would get shot,, you might want to read the entire article.

 

[IM2]

We don't live in the Arab countries

We don't.

What happened in the Arab countries that imported slaves?

What happened in America after slaver?. Arabs didn't breed slaves here.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What happened in America after slaver?. Arabs didn't breed slaves here.

No Arabs neutered the slaves and worked them to death like they did in South America and the Caribbean

 

[IM2]

The Incalculable Debt That America Owes Black People

In 2001, the conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer succinctly stated the case for reparations. “The American people owe a special debt to black Americans,” he wrote. “The key word here is special. That debt does not apply to any of the other groups—women, Hispanics, now gays, etc.—that have been grasping for the prestige and special benefits of victimhood. The African American case is unique: There is nothing to compare with centuries of state-sponsored slavery followed by a century of state-sponsored discrimination.”

The Incalculable Debt That America Owes Black People

The Biden administration is reviving the legal and moral case for slavery reparations.

newrepublic.com

 

[BackAgain]

America owes no person alive any reparations for slavery. And no person alive has any culpability for or fiscal responsibility for any reparations.

This entire topic is DOA. It is a non starter.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Since whites would arm one tribe in return for captives and if the tribe were refused would get shot,, you might want to read the entire article.

Yeah, no violence in Africa without "white weapons". DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What happened in America after slaver?. Arabs didn't breed slaves here.

Why were no African slaves bred by Arabs?

 

[Hector12]

The Incalculable Debt That America Owes Black People

In 2001, the conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer succinctly stated the case for reparations. “The American people owe a special debt to black Americans,” he wrote. “The key word here is special. That debt does not apply to any of the other groups—women, Hispanics, now gays, etc.—that have been grasping for the prestige and special benefits of victimhood. The African American case is unique: There is nothing to compare with centuries of state-sponsored slavery followed by a century of state-sponsored discrimination.”

The Incalculable Debt That America Owes Black People

The Biden administration is reviving the legal and moral case for slavery reparations.

newrepublic.com

What about the incalculable debt American Negroes owe American Whites? American Negros are more affluent than Negroes in Africa or the Caribbean. This is because of the benefits American Negroes have received by living in a white civilization.

Then we should consider the harm American Negroes cause whites with their crime, the cost of supporting their illegitimate children on welfare, and the way Negroes ruin whites working class neighborhoods by moving into them.

They need us. We do not need them.

 

[Hector12]

Why were no African slaves bred by Arabs?

Arabs castrated male slaves. In addition they cut of the penises of black slaves.

 

[Coyote]

What about the incalculable debt American Negroes owe American Whites? American Negros are more affluent than Negroes in Africa or the Caribbean. This is because of the benefits American Negroes have received by living in a white civilization.

Then we should consider the harm American Negroes cause whites with their crime, the cost of supporting their illegitimate children on welfare, and the way Negroes ruin whites working class neighborhoods by moving into them.

They need us. We do not need them.

There is no such debt other than in the mind of those that excuse slavery.

 

[Coyote]

America owes no person alive any reparations for slavery. And no person alive has any culpability for or fiscal responsibility for any reparations.

This entire topic is DOA. It is a non starter.

How about for Jim Crowe?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How about for Jim Crowe?

Those racist Democrats were awful!!!

Blacks should sue the DNC.