Repeal the 17th Amendment!

[Dr Grump]

Thank you for making my case, Dr. Grump. Their senators would be all about THEIR OWN STATE, and not somebody else's state. If the state objected too much to the errant Senator from their state who failed to help their state's governmental issue, they would immediately prepare to put in a better head on Thinktank Hill. Thanks for the assist!

And if you really think that, then you are naive. Was that the way it was prior to 1910?

No doubt they had some problems. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't much of a solution, either.

You probably were taught that Americans are naive and that you should patronize them at every opportunity, great or small.

Over here, we have public pow wows, and with certain people in Congress diverting billions of dollars to their own families with 100% guaranteed business deals, we realize the 17th Amendment fell short of its intended prevention and replaced it with something much worse. We need to fix it and get rid of this government-as-god crap that is being foisted on America by groups interested only in lining their pockets with tax money the American people pay, salving their miserable guilt complex by ensuring the lowest 47% pay no taxes to get them elected to help themselves to more for themselves and their inner circle on "rich people's money" for which they have nothing but disrespect.

They're leeches. It's time to clean the pond.

But do you trust your state legislatures to appoint the right person, or will they just fill them with cronies, too?

No, I don't think Yanks are naive, but as for being patronising, of course, you weren't being like that towards me, were you?

The rest of your post is generalised clap trap with nothing much solid to back it up with..

 

[freedombecki]

And if you really think that, then you are naive. Was that the way it was prior to 1910?

No doubt they had some problems. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't much of a solution, either.

You probably were taught that Americans are naive and that you should patronize them at every opportunity, great or small.

Over here, we have public pow wows, and with certain people in Congress diverting billions of dollars to their own families with 100% guaranteed business deals, we realize the 17th Amendment fell short of its intended prevention and replaced it with something much worse. We need to fix it and get rid of this government-as-god crap that is being foisted on America by groups interested only in lining their pockets with tax money the American people pay, salving their miserable guilt complex by ensuring the lowest 47% pay no taxes to get them elected to help themselves to more for themselves and their inner circle on "rich people's money" for which they have nothing but disrespect.

They're leeches. It's time to clean the pond.

But do you trust your state legislatures to appoint the right person, or will they just fill them with cronies, too?

No, I don't think Yanks are naive, but as for being patronising, of course, you weren't being like that towards me, were you?

The rest of your post is generalised clap trap with nothing much solid to back it up with..

I don't patronize anybody who doesn't patronize me first. I reserve the right of return fire in the face of repeated assault of being disparaged (see bolded type above).

I lived in the Equality state most of my adult life, and my US Senator was a personal friend who served on a church board with my husband. My US Representative was my neighborhood friend. Yes, I know who they are, I knew them for years, I trust them because they are salt of the earth type people who disciplined themselves conservatively. And I know they trust me for my fairness, willingness to learn, persistence in the face of adversity, not to mention hard work and sacrifice for others. If you think that's naivety, that is not my headache that we are culturally dissimilar.

We don't have to have a government of frills. All that having tax money extracted out of 50% of the people while 50% don't pay puts a burden like no other on successful people to fail.

There are other options than making changes that could help us get out of debt if irresponsible people keep spending money like drunken sailors.

What would you do in our place?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

No doubt they had some problems. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't much of a solution, either.

You probably were taught that Americans are naive and that you should patronize them at every opportunity, great or small.

Over here, we have public pow wows, and with certain people in Congress diverting billions of dollars to their own families with 100% guaranteed business deals, we realize the 17th Amendment fell short of its intended prevention and replaced it with something much worse. We need to fix it and get rid of this government-as-god crap that is being foisted on America by groups interested only in lining their pockets with tax money the American people pay, salving their miserable guilt complex by ensuring the lowest 47% pay no taxes to get them elected to help themselves to more for themselves and their inner circle on "rich people's money" for which they have nothing but disrespect.

They're leeches. It's time to clean the pond.

But do you trust your state legislatures to appoint the right person, or will they just fill them with cronies, too?

No, I don't think Yanks are naive, but as for being patronising, of course, you weren't being like that towards me, were you?

The rest of your post is generalised clap trap with nothing much solid to back it up with..

I don't patronize anybody who doesn't patronize me first. I reserve the right of return fire in the face of repeated assault of being disparaged (see bolded type above).

I lived in the Equality state most of my adult life, and my US Senator was a personal friend who served on a church board with my husband. My US Representative was my neighborhood friend. Yes, I know who they are, I knew them for years, I trust them because they are salt of the earth type people who disciplined themselves conservatively. And I know they trust me for my fairness, willingness to learn, persistence in the face of adversity, not to mention hard work and sacrifice for others. If you think that's naivety, that is not my headache that we are culturally dissimilar.

We don't have to have a government of frills. All that having tax money extracted out of 50% of the people while 50% don't pay puts a burden like no other on successful people to fail.

There are other options than making changes that could help us get out of debt if irresponsible people keep spending money like drunken sailors.

What would you do in our place?

It’s not a matter of being ‘culturally dissimilar,’ millions of Americans disagree with you as well.

What you advocate is not only naïve, it’s reactionary – a fantasy of an idealized American past that never existed to begin with.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I would thank all who believe we should revert to pre-17th Amendment days take a good hard look at Utah. Think about its lege appointing Senators. They would be to the right of Orly Taitz.

No one has made even a poor case for reversion on the issue.

 

[Oddball]

Bigoted much?

Everyone in Utah isn't Orly Taitz or Warren Jeffs, numbnutz.

 

[del]

fabian socialist statist herpaderp

 

[JakeStarkey]

Bigoted much? Everyone in Utah isn't Orly Taitz or Warren Jeffs, numbnutz.

Why are you a hater, Oddball? The GOP machine and the lege is hard shell right wing doofus. You know that, so, yes, you are hating on those who tell the truth. Get over it: the truth telling won't stop.

 

[Oddball]

Bigoted much? Everyone in Utah isn't Orly Taitz or Warren Jeffs, numbnutz.

Why are you a hater, Oddball? The GOP machine and the lege is hard shell right wing doofus. You know that, so, yes, you are hating on those who tell the truth. Get over it: the truth telling won't stop.

I'm not the douchebag who tried to paint all people from Utah with the same broad bigoted brush, douchebag bigot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"all people from Utah with the same bigoted brush" Oddball wrote

"The GOP machine and the lege is hard shell right wing" I wrote

You are so easy to demonstrate as a partisan hack doofus, Oddball

 

[JakeStarkey]

Same argument of bias applies to NY and CA leges.

No one in 13 pages has given any demonstrable, critical reasoning to reverse the 17th.

 

[Oddball]

Same argument of bias applies to NY and CA leges.

No one in 13 pages has given any demonstrable, critical reasoning to reverse the 17th.

Yes they have...You just ignore it.

 

[BakshisMouse]

Same argument of bias applies to NY and CA leges.

No one in 13 pages has given any demonstrable, critical reasoning to reverse the 17th.

Except for me.



And even I am not that enthusiastic about my position.

 

[BakshisMouse]

Thank you for making my case, Dr. Grump. Their senators would be all about THEIR OWN STATE, and not somebody else's state. If the state objected too much to the errant Senator from their state who failed to help their state's governmental issue, they would immediately prepare to put in a better head on Thinktank Hill. Thanks for the assist!

And if you really think that, then you are naive. Was that the way it was prior to 1910?

No doubt they had some problems. But throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't much of a solution, either.

You probably were taught that Americans are naive and that you should patronize them at every opportunity, great or small.

Over here, we have public pow wows, and with certain people in Congress diverting billions of dollars to their own families with 100% guaranteed business deals, we realize the 17th Amendment fell short of its intended prevention and replaced it with something much worse. We need to fix it and get rid of this government-as-god crap that is being foisted on America by groups interested only in lining their pockets with tax money the American people pay, salving their miserable guilt complex by ensuring the lowest 47% pay no taxes to get them elected to help themselves to more for themselves and their inner circle on "rich people's money" for which they have nothing but disrespect.

They're leeches. It's time to clean the pond.

If I may expound:

Those people whose incomes are low enough to not pay progressive income tax sure are lucky!

Why, might quit trying to find a job and just live on food stamps, unemployment for the rest of my life! I'll even have a tv and cable! I'll won't even be strapped for anything I want.

Using my welfare cell phone:

"Hey master pimp Obama! Can I get some bling up in this ghetto project bitch! I need some hos!"

"Sure thing, my fine motherfucker! I'll just skim from Warren Buffet's fortune! He's down with the thugs!"

^^^^^

That's probably more or less what you imagine poverty in America to be like.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Same argument of bias applies to NY and CA leges.

No one in 13 pages has given any demonstrable, critical reasoning to reverse the 17th.

Yes they have...You just ignore it.

You keep insisting on a fabrication of argument for repealing the 17th. And here is what you ignored and all will see why when they read it.

"all people from Utah with the same bigoted brush" Oddball wrote

"The GOP machine and the lege is hard shell right wing" I wrote

You are so easy to demonstrate as a partisan hack doofus, Oddball

 

[JDzBrain]

The needs of the state are expressed to the Senator by the majority vote. You are not going to get fiscally responsible senators who are beholden to the majority party in the state senate.

Unlike OddOne, you tried to make a case.

. . . . Repealing the 17th is the ONLY sure way to get the electorate engaged in local and state politics and clean up that FREAKIN' MESS in Washington. It HAS to start at the local level!. . . .

Well, well, well . . . a call for an inverse populism to revert control of the Senators from We the People to the controlled interests in the state leges.

Your argumentation fails.

Ok...let me get this straight. You actually believe that YOU and the voters of your state...IF you are actually in America...have control over your Senator? LMFAOff!!!!!!!

THAT is the most nonsensical, rose tent view of the world that I've heard in YEARS!

Let's see, I'm not sure WHERE "in the mainstream" that you list as your location is, but I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that your "mainstream" Senators are at LEAST a million dollars richer than they were before they took office. And likely SEVERAL millions richer if they serve more than one term. And I'll bet a MILLION that it didn't come from YOU!

You as a voter do NOT control them. Hell, you don't even elect them. Their IMAGE is elected and THAT has only just started to change over the last couple years with the involvement of the TEA Party.

They don't fear ya, they don't respect ya, they are not looking out for your interest and they DAMN sure ain't looking out for the interest of your state!

In short...YOU FAIL!

You fail to grasp the complexity of the problem, fail to grasp the concept the founders intended and fail to grasp the depths to which the system has sank since the passage of the 17th Amendment. That...or you know and are just a willing shill for progressive movement.

Either way...FAIL!

 

[JDzBrain]

Almost as interesting as watching some asshat flail aimlessly because the light of a whole truth burns away the fog of a partial lie!

Strangely, NOT as interesting as watching some asshat ask someone who has been dead for 200 years what they meant would be!

perhaps you should try again in english and perhaps with a tad less pretension?

LOL...yeah, well. You know, they DO offer reading comprehension courses free of charge at most community colleges and high school annexes.

Have you ever considered looking into it? ;~0

 

[JDzBrain]

It’s not a matter of being ‘culturally dissimilar,’ millions of Americans disagree with you as well.

What you advocate is not only naïve, it’s reactionary – a fantasy of an idealized American past that never existed to begin with.

Yeah...you know what the good thing is? Even though there may be a few million that disagree with Becki, there are a couple HUNDRED MILLION that AGREE!!!

Nealy 70%...that would be well over 200 million Americans...say that the government is out of control!

Passing the 17th Amendment was a knee jerk reactionary move. Repealing it would be the correction of a MISTAKE.

Claiming responsibility for the welfare of a state's citizens back to the state...where it had ALWAYS resided...and retaining the state's resources and the wealth of a state's citizen IN THE STATE is reclaiming this country to it's founding.

It's the way this country functioned for nearly 200 years and the usurping of those states rights by the progressive movement is the fantasy. The unwashed masses of America are waking up and we ain't gonna allow it...period!

 

[del]

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delusional tea loon

 

[JDzBrain]

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delusional tea loon

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Intellectually stunted liberal troll, reporting from momma's basement!

By the way...I was a constitutional conservative before you were even a twinkle in your daddy's eye. The "tea loon" movement is just now catching up to us. And just so there is no mistake...there are a HELL of a lot more of us than there are of you liberal/progressive/socialist types!

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt. Better start looking for that dark corner to scurry back in to!

 

[del]

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tea loon with delusions of intelligence and access to an endless supply of tired cliches.



rock on, loon