REPORT: US households incomes below end or recession

[Freemason9]

That is the very motivation for recessions, lower wages.

What a silly statement. There are no ‘motivations’ for recessions, they are not centrally planned. They are the result of the fact that markets are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and require adjustments every so often. They are bad and getting worse because we continually demand that the government soften the blow and then continue to prod the economy ever upward with no regard for the reality that what goes up will come down. What goes up even higher will come down even lower.

Recessions are characteristic of consumer-based economies, particularly in capitalist economies when workers are paid significantly less than their economic output. (Consuming workers go into debt to maintain consumption; debt service requirements exceed income capacity; consumers reign in spending; employers lay off workers because of weaker demand; higher unemployment creates even weaker demand; cycle continues until consumer debt defaults or government stimulative intervention intercedes.)

 

[Vox]

Maybe we should Build/make something?


How about building Musk hyperloop?
How about investing into asteroid mining?
How about making it hard to send jobs over sea's????


Something that encourages higher paid jobs for the masses.

WHERE do we get the money for investing a.k.a. spending?

We simply create it.

as we did the last 5 years?

gotcha.

no wonder we are down 4% and this is only the start

 

[Moonglow]

That is the very motivation for recessions, lower wages.

What a silly statement. There are no ‘motivations’ for recessions, they are not centrally planned. They are the result of the fact that markets are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and require adjustments every so often. They are bad and getting worse because we continually demand that the government soften the blow and then continue to prod the economy ever upward with no regard for the reality that what goes up will come down. What goes up even higher will come down even lower.

Recessions are characteristic of consumer-based economies, particularly in capitalist economies when workers are paid significantly less than their economic output. (Consuming workers go into debt to maintain consumption; debt service requirements exceed income capacity; consumers reign in spending; employers lay off workers because of weaker demand; higher unemployment creates even weaker demand; cycle continues until consumer debt defaults or government stimulative intervention intercedes.)

I was always jokingly told by my Stock broker step Dad that to be a good capitalist you need to take out a loan and help the economy.

We in this nation are also seeing the end results of market over absorption, and the end result that you can't make people buy everything mass produced, one of the down falls of great commercialization of the populace and efficient manufacturing.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

 

[The Rabbi]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

Government doesn't "invest" money. Gov't spends money. This ought to be obvious to anyone over the age of 17.

 

[Vox]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

 

[Vox]

That is the very motivation for recessions, lower wages.

What a silly statement. There are no ‘motivations’ for recessions, they are not centrally planned. They are the result of the fact that markets are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and require adjustments every so often. They are bad and getting worse because we continually demand that the government soften the blow and then continue to prod the economy ever upward with no regard for the reality that what goes up will come down. What goes up even higher will come down even lower.

Recessions are characteristic of consumer-based economies, particularly in capitalist economies when workers are paid significantly less than their economic output. (Consuming workers go into debt to maintain consumption; debt service requirements exceed income capacity; consumers reign in spending; employers lay off workers because of weaker demand; higher unemployment creates even weaker demand; cycle continues until consumer debt defaults or government stimulative intervention intercedes.)

what other economies do you know? socialist?
they do not have cyclical recessions - they are in CONSTANT depression

 

[ScienceRocks]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

Government doesn't "invest" money. Gov't spends money. This ought to be obvious to anyone over the age of 17.

We don't live within a pure capitalist society. Anyone that has taken economics should understand that. lol

Certainly you want a healthy private sector...Look at other nations and how they grow.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

We're a dying nation....Maybe we need reform within welfare and wasteful spending instead of killing ourselves.

 

[The Rabbi]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

Government doesn't "invest" money. Gov't spends money. This ought to be obvious to anyone over the age of 17.

We don't live within a pure capitalist society. Anyone that has taken economics should understand that. lol

Certainly you want a healthy private sector...Look at other nations and how they grow.

You dont have to live in a pure capitalist society to understand government waste, fraud and abuse.

 

[The Rabbi]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

We're a dying nation....Maybe we need reform within welfare and wasteful spending instead of killing ourselves.

We're dying because of policies and attitudes like the ones you present. Gov't is going to come up with some big ole massive expensive complex program administered by the really smart people that's going to save us.
Phooey.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Government doesn't "invest" money. Gov't spends money. This ought to be obvious to anyone over the age of 17.

We don't live within a pure capitalist society. Anyone that has taken economics should understand that. lol

Certainly you want a healthy private sector...Look at other nations and how they grow.

You dont have to live in a pure capitalist society to understand government waste, fraud and abuse.

Did I say we didn't? This country has a serious problem that can only lead to our down fall.

Going completely the other direction also isn't the solution.

 

[The Rabbi]

We don't live within a pure capitalist society. Anyone that has taken economics should understand that. lol

Certainly you want a healthy private sector...Look at other nations and how they grow.

You dont have to live in a pure capitalist society to understand government waste, fraud and abuse.

Did I say we didn't? This country has a serious problem that can only lead to our down fall.

Going completely the other direction also isn't the solution.

You're not terribly bright or capable of much thought, are you?

 

[Vox]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

We're a dying nation....Maybe we need reform within welfare and wasteful spending instead of killing ourselves.

yes, we do.

we also can find money for all you have proposed - for now by giving tax incentives to private money, if economy really recovers and starts growing fast - taxpayers money can be carefully introduced.

But first and foremost we need to reduce WASTE.

Everywhere.

Including the areas you are suggesting - there is tons of waste in research government spending, I can assure you.

Government on steroids is not only about wasteful doubling of unnecessary social programs, waste in the defense ( there are tons there) or in the department of education.

It is in EVERY government department.

EVERY one.

 

[Freemason9]

WHERE do we get the money for investing a.k.a. spending?

We simply create it.

as we did the last 5 years?

gotcha.

no wonder we are down 4% and this is only the start

You should note that the deficit has not created a recessionary environment. Deficit spending has never created a recession, contrary to the bizarre contentions of the Republican right wing.

However, cuts in government spending and government surplusses HAVE caused recessions.

 

[Freemason9]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

And I'll repeat it AGAIN--we create the money we need.

When the economy grows, the money supply needs to grow along with it. The U.S. grows the money supply in ONLY ONE WAY--debt creation.

That's why it's dangerous for folks to refer to the year-to-year fiscal imbalance as "debt;" poorly-educated American political pundits seem to believe this is a debt that must be repaid. Repayment of the federal debt is an absurd idea and would result in a deflationary environment.

Don't worry about the "debt." It isn't a problem at all.

 

[Freemason9]

What a silly statement. There are no ‘motivations’ for recessions, they are not centrally planned. They are the result of the fact that markets are not perfect by any stretch of the imagination and require adjustments every so often. They are bad and getting worse because we continually demand that the government soften the blow and then continue to prod the economy ever upward with no regard for the reality that what goes up will come down. What goes up even higher will come down even lower.

Recessions are characteristic of consumer-based economies, particularly in capitalist economies when workers are paid significantly less than their economic output. (Consuming workers go into debt to maintain consumption; debt service requirements exceed income capacity; consumers reign in spending; employers lay off workers because of weaker demand; higher unemployment creates even weaker demand; cycle continues until consumer debt defaults or government stimulative intervention intercedes.)

what other economies do you know? socialist?
they do not have cyclical recessions - they are in CONSTANT depression

The American economy is unique because of the severity and regularity of its cyclical recessions, the vast disparity in wealth, and the lack of protections for its work force.

 

[Moonglow]

income in the USA for the average Joe is from working, not the govt. why blame the govt. for what business is paying?

 

[FA_Q2]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

And I'll repeat it AGAIN--we create the money we need.

When the economy grows, the money supply needs to grow along with it. The U.S. grows the money supply in ONLY ONE WAY--debt creation.

That's why it's dangerous for folks to refer to the year-to-year fiscal imbalance as "debt;" poorly-educated American political pundits seem to believe this is a debt that must be repaid. Repayment of the federal debt is an absurd idea and would result in a deflationary environment.

Don't worry about the "debt." It isn't a problem at all.

Interesting that you state this and yet support policies that state when the economy contract we ALSO need to spend more (which is an increase the money supply as you state) So, in other words, you are of the opinion that at all times the answer is spending more and increasing debt.

Now, why does that not surprise me?

 

[Vox]

Every healthy nation is investing in three things
1. Infastructure
2. Science and tech
and 3. improving it's educational system

A fair and balanced business regs are also important....


Maybe we can learn a lesson from Ghana, South Korea and maybe CHINA???(even through it isn't a perfect model).

There's NO pure capitalist society for a reason as that doesn't consider human rights.

repeating fiftieth time - WHERE are YOU proposing to get the money for this spending?
we have 17 trillion in debt and counting

And I'll repeat it AGAIN--we create the money we need.

When the economy grows, the money supply needs to grow along with it. The U.S. grows the money supply in ONLY ONE WAY--debt creation.

That's why it's dangerous for folks to refer to the year-to-year fiscal imbalance as "debt;" poorly-educated American political pundits seem to believe this is a debt that must be repaid. Repayment of the federal debt is an absurd idea and would result in a deflationary environment.

Don't worry about the "debt." It isn't a problem at all.

the debt is our MAIN problem.

only libtard sheeple will repeat the mantra "not problem at all" which their rich left wing plantators installed in their small brains