Republicans continue their assault on Democracy

[rightwinger]

Another moron confusing a Constitutional Republic with a Democracy.

Constitutional Republic - Definition, Examples, Cases, Processes

Constitutional Republic defined and explained with examples. Constitutional Republic is a form of government in which representatives are elected by the people.

legaldictionary.net

in which a representative is elected by the people to govern over them

A DEMOCRACY

 

[rightwinger]

The OP is BS. The bill was intro. by one hardline Republican. He's playing the game, introduce the absurd, settle for some improvement.

Here's useful info. without the propaganda.

Bill would give AZ Legislature power to overturn elections

A Republican state lawmaker is proposing to give the Arizona Legislature — currently controlled by Republicans — the right to reject election returns.

fronterasdesk.org

Good link
Shows what Republicans are trying to do to our Democracy

“What is not spelled out in the legislation is whether lawmakers would have to reject all the election results or could simply decide that only the outcome of some of the races was suspect. What also is unsaid is whether those currently in office would remain in their positions pending court action and, if ordered, a new vote.

And if a judge refuses to issue such an order?

"Then we're just going to have to shut up and deal with it," Fillmore said.

He brushed aside questions about the fact that nothing in his bill requires that lawmakers must find fraud in order to reject the results.

"Let me ask you a question, with all due respect," he responded. "Do you think we come down here just to create havoc?”

It certainly appears that way

 

[22lcidw]

in which a representative is elected by the people to govern over them

A DEMOCRACY

A Republic is different than a Democracy. Progs are always spouting Democracy. As we have moved further and further left from the corruption and the infection from people planted into our higher institutions, Democracy has taken over from the Republic. We vote for Democrats who are Socialists and pushing to Communism. We vote for Republicans who are wishy washy to many times and I am complimenting them. I tis not easy being one as they are constantly demonized. The Federal Reserve Act Fiat Currency, the 16th Amendment, the 17th Amendment and the 19th Amendment has sealed our fate. Keeping thing under control with that would be beneficial. But alas, it is not. Like a nuclear reactor it must be contained. And the China Syndrome from this blew up many decades ago.

 

[rightwinger]

A Republic is different than a Democracy. Progs are always spouting Democracy. As we have moved further and further left from the corruption and the infection from people planted into our higher institutions, Democracy has taken over from the Republic. We vote for Democrats who are Socialists and pushing to Communism. We vote for Republicans who are wishy washy to many times and I am complimenting them. I tis not easy being one as they are constantly demonized. The Federal Reserve Act Fiat Currency, the 16th Amendment, the 17th Amendment and the 19th Amendment has sealed our fate. Keeping thing under control with that would be beneficial. But alas, it is not. Like a nuclear reactor it must be contained. And the China Syndrome from this blew up many decades ago.

A Republic is a form of Democracy
If people elect their leaders, it is a Democracy

There are no countries on earth run as a pure Democracy

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

“What is not spelled out in the legislation is whether lawmakers would have to reject all the election results or could simply decide that only the outcome of some of the races was suspect. What also is unsaid is whether those currently in office would remain in their positions pending court action and, if ordered, a new vote.

And if a judge refuses to issue such an order?

Perhaps you missed my post, or you seen it and you So one more time from the link of the bill itself:

2. THE LEGISLATURE MAY CONDUCT AN AUDIT OF ELECTION RESULTS FOR ANY18
REGULAR PRIMARY OR GENERAL ELECTION.19
Sec. 30. Section 16-663, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to20
read:21
16-663. Recount of votes22

A. The superior court to which the facts requiring a recount are23
certified shall forthwith PROMPTLY make and enter an order requiring a24
recount of the votes cast for such office, measure or proposal. The25
recount shall be conducted in accordance with the laws pertaining to26
contests of elections.

https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/bills/HB2596P.pdf

To me this seems to say if the courts don't order a new election (which I doubt any court would) then the ballots get audited and recounted. In other words the judge says no new election, then he or she orders this examination of the ballots and of course the recount. If the process shows no evidence of anything wrong, then the vote stands as cast. Nowhere does it state the legislatures can then reverse the will of the people.

The word "rejection" does not mean throw the ballots away. It's used in context of advancing to the next process to settle said problem. Now......I'm no lawyer, I didn't go to law school, but what I do know is that you and your ilk are "assuming" rejection means to throw out the entire election in spite of a court not granting a new election. That is not in this bill.

 

[rightwinger]

Perhaps you missed my post, or you seen it and you So one more time from the link of the bill itself:

2. THE LEGISLATURE MAY CONDUCT AN AUDIT OF ELECTION RESULTS FOR ANY18
REGULAR PRIMARY OR GENERAL ELECTION.19
Sec. 30. Section 16-663, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended to20
read:21
16-663. Recount of votes22

A. The superior court to which the facts requiring a recount are23
certified shall forthwith PROMPTLY make and enter an order requiring a24
recount of the votes cast for such office, measure or proposal. The25
recount shall be conducted in accordance with the laws pertaining to26
contests of elections.

https://www.azleg.gov/legtext/55leg/2R/bills/HB2596P.pdf

To me this seems to say if the courts don't order a new election (which I doubt any court would) then the ballots get audited and recounted. In other words the judge says no new election, then he or she orders this examination of the ballots and of course the recount. If the process shows no evidence of anything wrong, then the vote stands as cast. Nowhere does it state the legislatures can then reverse the will of the people.

The word "rejection" does not mean throw the ballots away. It's used in context of advancing to the next process to settle said problem. Now......I'm no lawyer, I didn't go to law school, but what I do know is that you and your ilk are "assuming" rejection means to throw out the entire election in spite of a court not granting a new election. That is not in this bill.

Nice try, but your post relates to a recount of the results
It means they still consider the original election valid.

I am talking about the legislature refusing to accept the results of the election and going to the courts to demand a “Do over”

From post 678

if ordered, a new vote.

And if a judge refuses to issue such an order?

"Then we're just going to have to shut up and deal with it," Fillmore said.

He brushed aside questions about the fact that nothing in his bill requires that lawmakers must find fraud in order to reject the results.

"Let me ask you a question, with all due respect," he responded. "Do you think we come down here just to create havoc?”

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

Item Eight: Voter Fraud
Courtesy of PoliticalChic

Watch this:
Well....let's review:
Anything here not true, correct, and accurate???????????

“BREAKING BIG: Former Senator David Perdue Sues Fulton County for “Absentee Ballots…Scanned Multiple Times” and “16,000 Ballots” Not Counted in 2020 Election” BREAKING BIG: Former Senator David Perdue Sues Fulton County for "Absentee Ballots...Scanned Multiple Times" and "16,000 Ballots" Not Counted in 2020 Election


"Roughly 43,000 absentee ballot counted in DeKalb County in 2020 violated chain of custody rule

More than 70% of the 61,731 absentee ballots put in drop boxes were counted, certified despite violating chain of custody requirements.” Roughly 43,000 absentee ballot counted in DeKalb County in 2020 violated chain of custody rule


“Report: Wisconsin Lost Track of 82,000 Ballots in State Biden Won by 20,000

However, according to the legal foundation’s report, 82,766 mail-in ballots in the state were either undeliverable or suffered an unknown fate.

Wisconsin Lost Track of 4 Times More Ballots than Biden Won by in 2020​

According to the legal foundation’s report, 82,766 mail-in ballots in Wisconsin were either undeliverable or suffered an unknown fate.

www.dailysignal.com


"Georgia ballots rejected by machines were later altered by election workers to count

... marks for candidates like Trump were sometimes removed so ballots could count for Biden.

A Dominion Voting machine had rejected the ballot on election night because the voter had filled in boxes for both Trump and his Democratic opponent Joe Biden, an error known as an "overvote." The machine determined neither candidate should get a tally, and the ballot was referred for human review.

The image of the ballot, obtained by Just the News, shows the voter messily scribbled a large blob in the box to select Trump as president while also putting a thinner check mark next to Biden's name. "

Georgia ballots rejected by machines were later altered by election workers to count​

Records obtained by Just the News provide unprecedented glimpse into human adjudication of thousands of ballots, where marks for candidates like Trump were sometimes removed so ballots could count for Biden.

justthenews.com


“Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN …examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.

Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN​

Retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend. Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

"… an independent election audit team poured through ballot images in Fulton County, Georgia and found numerous examples of fraudulent ballots double-counted in the election. The forensic auditing team found double-counted ballots from the 2020 election and showed them in a video release. “At least 36 batches of mail-in ballots from the November election were double-counted in Fulton County, that is a total of at least 4,000 votes,” he said.”

'Flat-Out Criminal Fraud': Tucker Reveals *Bombshell* Findings in Fulton County Election Audit​

"At least 36 batches of mail-in ballots from the November election were double-counted in Fulton County, that is a total of at least 4,000 votes"...

beckernews.com
https://greatawakening.win/p/12iNZT1aAG/x/c/4E0vozJeJN8

“Data scientists testified nearly 18,000 electronic votes in Georgia switched from Trump to Biden A team of data scientists testifying before a state Senate panel in Georgia earlier this week said thousands of votes were switched from President Donald Trump to his Democratic challenger Joe Biden during balloting last month.” Data scientists testified nearly 18,000 electronic votes in Georgia switched from Trump to Biden

Georgia Recount Worker Describes “Pristine” Batch of Ballots – 98% for Joe Biden!

Extremely suspicious.

Published 7 hours ago on Nov 22, 2020 By Richard Moorhead

Top of Form
A Fulton County, Georgia woman is describing handling a “pristine” batch of ballots that were marked “98%” of the time for Joe Biden in election recount duties, describing the suspicious phenomenon in a sworn affidavit.

Susan Voyles identifies herself as a participant in Georgia’s post-election recount in the affidavit, filed in litigation against Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger by Trump campaign attorney Lin Wood.

Voyles describes seeing ballots that differed considerably from the other ballots she was entrusted to count in the remix.

Voyles describes the batch of ballots as unusual in their texture and level of handling, and that she estimates 98% of them were cast for Joe Biden. Voyles even speculates that these ballots could’ve been processed through a ballot-marking device!



Voyles earlier described election recount supervisors as tasking them to process ballots in a “selective” fashion. Boxes of absentee ballots were signed by no one, without markings one might expect the Georgia Secretary of State to outfit absentee ballots with.

Another witness describes viewing election workers count 500 straight ballots for Joe Biden, all of which were marked with perfect black bubbles.”

Georgia Recount Worker Describes "Pristine" Batch of Ballots - 98% for Joe Biden! - Big League Politics​

Extremely suspicious.

bigleaguepolitics.com


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Did everyone see this whistle blower who saw the machinations in Democrat Detroit?

Ballots altered, Republican poll watchers kept out....

This lady was an IT employee of Dominion voting machines.

When she saw what was going on, she notified her boss, who didn't want to hear it.

Sworn affidavits are considered as evidence.

"Detroit Officials Cover-Up Windows During Ballot Count, Voters Outraged
Poll watchers blocked from witnessing vote count at TCF Center
By: Jay Greenberg |@NeonNettle
on 5th November 2020 @ 7.00pm
© press
The widows were covered in opaque cardboard by election officials
Chaos has erupted at the TCF Center in Detroit after election officials covered-up the windows of the ballot counting room, blocking poll watchers from witnessing the vote count."

Detroit Officials Cover-Up Windows During Ballot Count, Voters Outraged

Poll watchers blocked from witnessing vote count at TCF Center - Chaos has erupted at the TCF Center in Detroit after election officials covered-up the windows of... | NEON NETTLE

neonnettle.com
"New evidence suggests potentially enough fraudulent votes to prove Trump won in Georgia

According to a new report there were potentially enough fraudulent votes cast in Georgia, from people who voted in counties they had already moved out of, to take away the 12,670 vote lead that Biden won by last November:

FEDERALIST – New evidence indicates that more than 10,300 illegal votes were cast in Georgia in the November 2020 general election — a number that will continue to rise over the next several months, potentially exceeding the 12,670 votes that separated Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

Under Georgia law, residents must vote in the county in which they reside, unless they changed their residence within 30 days of the election. As Jake Evans, a well-known Atlanta election lawyer, told me, outside of the 30-day grace period, if people vote in a county in which they no longer reside, “Their vote in that county would be illegal.”

Soon after the November general election, Mark Davis, the president of Data Productions Inc. and an expert in voter data analytics and residency issues, obtained data from the National Change of Address (NCOA) database that identified Georgia residents who had confirmed moves with the U.S. Postal Service. After excluding moves with effective dates within 30 days of the general election, and by using data available from the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, Davis identified nearly 35,000 Georgia voters who indicated they had moved from one Georgia county to another, but then voted in the 2020 general election in the county from which they had moved.

Some of those moves could have been temporary, involving students or members of the military, Davis stressed, adding that under Georgia law temporary relocations do not alter citizens’ residency status or render their votes illegal. But, given the margin separating the two presidential candidates, approximately one-third of the votes at issue could have altered the outcome of the election. Yet the media, the courts, and the Secretary of State’s Office ignored or downplayed the issue.
“It was disconcerting to see the media and the courts largely ignore serious issues like these, especially since the data I was seeing showed very legitimate issues,” Davis said. “In fact, I heard members of the Secretary of State’s team admit some votes were cast with residency issues, but then claimed there weren’t enough of them to cast the outcome of the election in doubt,” Davis added. “That was not at all what I was seeing, and as far as I am aware the Secretary of State’s Office has never put an actual number on the ones they did see.”

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New evidence suggests potentially enough fraudulent votes to prove Trump won in Georgia

According to a new report there were potentially enough fraudulent votes cast in Georgia, from people who voted in counties they had already moved out of, to take away the 12,670 vote lead that Bid…

therightscoop.com

Court Finds Pennsylvania’s 2019 Law That Permitted No-Excuse Mail-In Voting Unconstitutional

A Pennsylvania court found Friday that the state's 2019 mail-in ballot law is unconstitutional.

dailycaller.com

 

[playtime]

What, like 11?

^^^

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nice try, but your post relates to a recount of the results
It means they still consider the original election valid.

I am talking about the legislature refusing to accept the results of the election and going to the courts to demand a “Do over”

From post 678

if ordered, a new vote.

And if a judge refuses to issue such an order?

"Then we're just going to have to shut up and deal with it," Fillmore said.

He brushed aside questions about the fact that nothing in his bill requires that lawmakers must find fraud in order to reject the results.

"Let me ask you a question, with all due respect," he responded. "Do you think we come down here just to create havoc?”

You are using your own definition of what "reject the ballots" means. If it actually meant that they can refuse to accept the final results of the election with no recourse, it would have to be written in this bill. You are making claims based on your own assumptions, not facts.

If it is what you claim it is and the legislatures overturned an election in spite of the vote, you would have people that live in the state in an outrage. If it were a national election and Arizona was the deciding factor our next President in a close race, you would have a nationwide riot if they decided they would turn over the win from Democrat to Republican. It isn't in the bill.

What it seems to say is that if the ballots are rejected, an elector can file a motion with the superior court for a new election. If no new election is granted, then the ballots are scrutinized and recounted. If no major flaws are found, the vote of the people stand.

 

[Not a Monkeys Uncle]

 

[rightwinger]

You are using your own definition of what "reject the ballots" means. If it actually meant that they can refuse to accept the final results of the election with no recourse, it would have to be written in this bill. You are making claims based on your own assumptions, not facts.

If it is what you claim it is and the legislatures overturned an election in spite of the vote, you would have people that live in the state in an outrage. If it were a national election and Arizona was the deciding factor our next President in a close race, you would have a nationwide riot if they decided they would turn over the win from Democrat to Republican. It isn't in the bill.

What it seems to say is that if the ballots are rejected, an elector can file a motion with the superior court for a new election. If no new election is granted, then the ballots are scrutinized and recounted. If no major flaws are found, the vote of the people stand.

Cant you read?
Or do you just insist on creating your own reality?

As has been shown to you again and again, They have an election. Before the election becomes official, the legislature must vote to either accept or reject the results

If they reject the results for whatever reason, an elector can go to court and request an new election


And if the judge rejects a new election?
Well, according to the bills author…..

“Then we're just going to have to shut up and deal with it,"

 

[j-mac]

I certainly DO have a huge stake in your elections. What you fools do affects the entire world, whether you admit it or not, and the rest of the world is going to tell you your last President was a total asshole, and the whole world is still cleaning up after the mess he made of global trade and relations in the Middle East.

If Americans would stop gazing at their own navels long enough to realize that who is leading your country matters very much to what happens in the rest of the world.

Nope...You don't have a say....so, what ever you think you are entitled to say, means nothing...You are entitled to nothing, your opinions don't matter one iota to us, and you're a bit of an asshole yourself so, get lost...

 

[rightwinger]

What Arizona is doing is exactly what Trump asked them to do in 2020

Have Republican Legislatures refuse to accept the results of the election. In 2020, they did not have that authority.
Now, Republicans are making sure they have that authority

 

[Indeependent]

What Arizona is doing is exactly what Trump asked them to do in 2020

Have Republican Legislatures refuse to accept the results of the election. In 2020, they did not have that authority.
Now, Republicans are making sure they have that authority

Yawn...

Wash...Rinse...Repeat...

 

[Wyatt earp]

So
When the polls close at 7PM and you work till 6 PM, you must rush to the polls along with anyone else who works

My solution would be to allow weekend voting and mail in voting

Why do you want voting to be an ordeal?

You would think lazy ass liberals would dominate voting with a schedule like that

 

[rightwinger]

Yawn...

Wash...Rinse...Repeat...

Very true

Republicans attacking our Democratic principles is becoming routine.
Republicans no longer care

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

in which a representative is elected by the people to govern over them

A DEMOCRACY

In which a representative is elected by the people to govern for them.
A Republic.
People in California don't vote on my representative from Alabama. We the people do not vote on every bill or law.

 

[eagle1462010]

Very true

Republicans attacking our Democratic principles is becoming routine.
Republicans no longer care

Why would we care about you as you MURDER OUR FELLOW AMERICANS.

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